Gator Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 How do you aim? I have heard that around that distance, or closer, that you should use your 30yd pin, is there any truth to that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter47 Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots oooh my i have never heard that gator but i guess ill have to try it but if i were a bettin man i would say that who ever told you that is probably not gonna be around when you try that on a deer at 10 yds., but i guess you can try it if you have a block or other target before you get the real thing at 10 yds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okiedog Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots I went to a few 3D shoots where you was almost standing on the target. Like, 5 or 6 ft away. On those shots I used my 30 yard pin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted November 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots [ QUOTE ] I went to a few 3D shoots where you was almost standing on the target. Like, 5 or 6 ft away. On those shots I used my 30 yard pin. [/ QUOTE ] That's what i thought, but how about out of a stand, say 15-20' up?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okiedog Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots that my friend I have not tried. I have always just shot 1st pin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted November 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots Guess I need to try this some time....... Wish I had a suitable tree to put my climber on in my yard...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots Thats a harder shot for me then 20 yards from a treestand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okiedog Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots Get a ladder and climb on top of the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted November 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots I could do that, but the slope of the roof already puts me going down towards the ground, not on a parallel plane as say a stand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots [ QUOTE ] Get a ladder and climb on top of the house. [/ QUOTE ] That's what I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots The Only way to find out where your bow shoots at Short distances is to try it with a bullseye target. Continue to aim at the bullseye with your Shortest yardage pin and start at 10-15yds. Step closer and shoot again. Continue doing this until you understand what happens. You'll find out that with your 20yd pin you have to aim High to Hit where you want to. Basically if you look at your Bows riser you can tell why you end up holding high...look at your sight...then look at the arrow on the rest(thats the difference). This is something that you have to get a Feel for by doing practice time shooting. Once you figure out where your bow shoots at short distances you use the Shortest Yardage Pin you have setup already! I shot alot of indoor 3-D at a range where they would setup a Strutting Turkey @ less than 5yds. When I held on the 12 ring(with my 20yd pin) I would end up shooting low. I practiced finding out where the arrow went at closer ranges like above and found out how high to hold my single pin. I figured that I was wasting my time doing all this practice because I would never get a Deer that close...Well.... Later during that same year I took a Doe that was @5yds. I was in a 10ft high ladderstand and She was quartering towards me. I held the single 20yd pin just in front of the off-side hind quarter(right rear)...and the arrow went inbetween the neck and front left shoulder down through the pump station. She fell right there and spun around on the ground running while spraying blood. It was my first Bow harvest...All the practice worked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I went to a few 3D shoots where you was almost standing on the target. Like, 5 or 6 ft away. On those shots I used my 30 yard pin. [/ QUOTE ] That's what i thought, but how about out of a stand, say 15-20' up?? [/ QUOTE ] I have shot some 3-D Targets that were real close like Okiedog and had to use my 30 yard pin to make the shot... If I was going to use a 30 yard pin for a 15 or 20 yard shot, you better aim low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIDeer4Life Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots I just shot a deer sunday night that was 7 yards from the base of my tree. I was about 20 feet up in my treestand and used my 20 yard pin and hit exactly where I was aiming and double lunged it. Ran 50 yards and expired. Ive always used my 20 yard pin anywhere from 1-20 yards and its worked great for me. I would highly recommend practicing this shot though and not taking my word for it. Good luck Kyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots First off don't climb n to of your house. Get into one of your stands and shoot from there. It's not safe and te roof is not level for your feet, you shoot from a flat platform from your stand. About where to hold or aim is totally up to your bows speed. A bow shooting around 270 and up will hit pretty much dead on from an elevated position. Slower bows in general will hit a touch higher from and elevated position, a bow shooting around 260 or lower will hit higher because of having a higher arch in it's flight to it's target. The best advice I can give you is to practice from an elevated platform or your treestand itself and do wear your safety harness when off the ground. By the way, my two hunting bows are shooing 282 and 287 fps and they hit exactly where I aim or hold on a deer or target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted November 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots [ QUOTE ] First off don't climb n to of your house. Get into one of your stands and shoot from there. It's not safe and te roof is not level for your feet, you shoot from a flat platform from your stand. About where to hold or aim is totally up to your bows speed. A bow shooting around 270 and up will hit pretty much dead on from an elevated position. Slower bows in general will hit a touch higher from and elevated position, a bow shooting around 260 or lower will hit higher because of having a higher arch in it's flight to it's target. The best advice I can give you is to practice from an elevated platform or your treestand itself and do wear your safety harness when off the ground. By the way, my two hunting bows are shooing 282 and 287 fps and they hit exactly where I aim or hold on a deer or target. [/ QUOTE ] Sweet, that's what I needed to hear right there. I am shooting roughly 270, so i should be good to go. I highly doubt I will have a shot that close, but could have this past weekend..... Thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots Why bother practicing from an Elevated stand at very close yardages??? It does not make any sense!!! We're only talking about 15-20ft from the Bow to the target!!!!!!! Gravity is not going to effect the arrow like it would shooting at longer distances!!! Though the effect of gravity starts immediately on the arrow...the speed at which the arrow is going when it just leaves the bow keeps its effects from changing the trajectory so quickly. Not to mention that if your in a treestand you'll be shooting at a downward angle so it wont change the trajectory much if any at all..at short distances! You can practice close shots safely from the ground! Hold high with your shortest yardage pin. The arrow during it's flight is not up to the point of aim yet at such a close distance(remember it's still inches below the sight at the start). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots It's not gravity we are talking about, it's arch in the arrow flight or trajectory. Let me make this easier for you GW. Faster is flatter and slower is rising higher because your pin is in a higher position because of the slower speed. There for you'll need to aim lower on your target with a slower shooting bow. From an elevated or from flat ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Shooter Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots when i took my bow coarse the instructor told me to use my 20 yard pin from 10 yards and closer and hes the antinal archery team coach so ill take his advice lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots Let me make this Simpler for You... You walk up to a target to 5 yds and shoot at it with your Fast Bow and use your 20 yard pin...see what happens. You aim Low and you'll hit even Lower at such a close yardage! What your saying does work but only to a point...the closer you get to the target there is a point at which the arrow starts to go lower than your point of aim. You can hold on the Bullseye at a very close range with Any Speed bow and you darn sure wont hit high! Maybe my Bow's not fast enough....my last chrono was 284fps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots Gator, I've only shot one deer at that range, from a treestand that was about 15 feet up...he walked right under me, shot him about 5 paces. Was only using 1 pin, sighted at 20 yards, and the arrow hit exactly where I aimed. I made sure to bend way over from the waist and not just lower my arm. No expert, but that's what happened for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DU_man_84 Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots ive shoten a lot of closedeer from as close at 6 yds to 10 yds, i and i always put my 10yd pin on it and that does the trick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Danbo Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots [ QUOTE ] It's not gravity we are talking about, it's arch in the arrow flight or trajectory. Let me make this easier for you GW. Faster is flatter and slower is rising higher because your pin is in a higher position because of the slower speed. There for you'll need to aim lower on your target with a slower shooting bow. From an elevated or from flat ground. [/ QUOTE ] Its not gravity were talking about???? What do you think keeps your feet on the ground? There would not be an arch if you didn't have GRAVITY.... Leave the physics to us engineers. Its all about horizontal distance to the target. Practice on the ground at all distances and use those pins in your stand!!! Thats it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots [ QUOTE ] Its all about horizontal distance to the target. Practice on the ground at all distances and use those pins in your stand!!! Thats it. [/ QUOTE ] This question is not on you knowledge DU man, but my understanding of it. If I understand this right, it's like a reverse pythagorean theorem thing, right? If I'm 30' up in a tree and the deer is 30' from the tree my distance from the deer is roughly 42.5 feet, but rather than using my actual distance from the deer, I would aim using the distance from the base of the tree to the deer which would be 30 feet, a differece of nearly 5 yards from what a range finder would tell me. Am I getting you right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DU_man_84 Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots that aint my quote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY_Bowhunter14 Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Re: 10yd or less shots i have only 25 yard pin, and if there is a deer 10 yds. or less, i will put it on the very bottom of its stomach, and it will hit the boiler room... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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