bigmoss Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 I dont want this thread to turn into a bashing thread just wanted to post a few thoughts I had lately. I just want to point out I live, breath, sleep and eat hunting archery and rifle. I am friends with allof of the big names in the industry. That being said I guess I am just a little shocked at all the threads and journals I saw this year so far about people shooting deer often way more than one with their bow and not finding them. Now I am in no way saying I am an archery expert when shooting but practice allot and will not take the shot unless it is really clear and I am sure it is vitals I am going to hit. I realize things happen branches, wind, deer moves, hits the jacket etc etc. But what number of deer should go wounded and not recovered before we say thats it for the now this year. I also hunt in spots where we can only use archery and I guess after 2 I would say thats it no more bow this year even if it meant no deer. I just hear archery getting a bad rap all the time over this and people boasting crossbows should only be used and I am %110 against that. There is no greater feeling than taking a buck you were able to get into 20-30 yards and harvest. Just dont agree with people that wound them over and over and keep going I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3whunt Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? not going there.. but i do understand your concerns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? I can't agree more bigmoss, and I lost one due strictly to nerves this year. It was the first time I have ever had a legal deer in bow range, and I simply lost my train of thought and hit it high. I tracked it for about 5 hours and ended up about 2 miles from where I started. The next day there wasn't any way I could have ever found the trail without a gps. It killed me to loose that deer and I passed a marginal 5 yard through the brush shot on a really big 8pt because I didn't want the same thing to ever happen again. My guess would be that people are just more honest on this sight this year because they know that everyone makes mistakes and will understand. If I wounded another deer this year I would probibly put my Xbow up for good (that means forever) and just take it out to practice for fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? [ QUOTE ] I realize things happen branches, wind, deer moves, hits the jacket ect.etc. [/ QUOTE ] exactly......This is not something new to the sport it happens, Im sure when hunters shoot at game they intend to take it. Not everyone is as perfect as the "big names" But im sure they try hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoss Posted November 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I realize things happen branches, wind, deer moves, hits the jacket ect.etc. [/ QUOTE ] exactly......This is not something new to the sport it happens, Im sure when hunters shoot at game they intend to take it. Not everyone is as perfect as the "big names" But im sure they try hard. [/ QUOTE ] Exactley that was my point everyone misses BUT at what point do we say enough deer have been wounded to die later or spend the season in pain before we say enough ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? [ QUOTE ] BUT at what point do we say enough deer have been wounded to die later or spend the season in pain before we say enough ? [/ QUOTE ] Like I tell my band kids. The first time is a mistake, the second time is a pattern of illpreparedness and you shouldn't try to perform untill you've corrected the problem. Performance can only be done when you can do it right every single time without exception. Sence I wounded that doe, I have spent several hours on my rooftop shooting and makeing sure it won't happen again. If I'm not sure, I won't take the shot. If you think you might miss, you will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? THANK YOU BIGMOSS!! I have been thinking the exact thing for the past month but I was afraid to say it. Well said!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoss Posted November 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? I struggled for a week about starting this thread I have been a member here 6 years now and did not want to start anything. I am a BIG bow hunter and lover just dont understand how people can do it is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? This is EXACTLY why I will NEVER EVER talk about losing a deer in here. To many judgemental people. Let me ask this, were you in the stand with some of these people when they missed? Do you know the EXACT circumstances involving these lost deer? I think not. Yeah, EVERYONE will lose a deer, be it with gun, bow, or ML, IT HAPPENS. I guess that if EVERYONE that ever lost a deer quit hunting, there wouldn't be very many hunters out in the woods. I am sure some of these folk you talk about are CONSTANTLY making bad shots, but I am sure that not all do it. To be HONEST, I DID lose a doe a couple of weeks ago, but ya know what, I have also been practicing since around MAY, not everyday, but at leats a couple of times a week, up until time change. Made me sick, I was sick for 2 freakin days after it. I still ain't over it, but ya know what, I'm gonna soldier on, and prove to myself that I can get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoss Posted November 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? [ QUOTE ] This is EXACTLY why I will NEVER EVER talk about losing a deer in here. To many judgemental people. [/ QUOTE ] Gator I never said that people should never miss and that is does not happen I know it does I have also BUT when I see some people posting about the 5th or 6th one buck or doe they shot and have not recovered it is time for that person to sit down and decide if they should call it quits for that season I never said forever. We owe it to the animals. People have off years, equipment issues and nature issues BUT 4,5,6 wounded deer is not the answer to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? There should be a point in an Ethical Hunters life when they say to themselves: "I cant continue doing this...and I need to find out why it is happening"! IMHO...The problem is in the type of practice some people are doing. Anybody who hunts with archery equipement should Always pracitce the way they Hunt! Including the same Arrow Combination(draw weight, broadheads, fletching, etc.), Clothing, and also while doing the same type of shooting they will be doing(from a treestand or ground). If people Practice the way they Hunt...all these glitches show up Before an Animal runs off wounded not to be found. Personal judgement on when to take a shot and when Not to shoot can also be practiced. Take the Target out into the Woods!!! Gauranteed to teach you about the effects of small limbs on the flight of an arrow shaft...and how to look out for them in a real life situation..Before The Shot!!! Misses and bad shots will happen...but practicing the way you hunt will help reduce the frequency of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? Some families up here cut the tag up if you wound a deer and it gets away-by all rights and means you've killed it just haven't recovered it. My first deerr I hit that got away I was so p'O'ed at myself I didn't hunt the next year but that's just me. Up here a wounded deer doesn't often make morning without the wolves and coyotes getting it. But in other places I imagine they can linger on. It's a matter of each individuals ethics I guess-archers are no more at fault than rifle hunters who don't follow up their shot. Seen some big bucks dead on their feet go a longggg ways. Alot of truth in the phrase 'DEAD BUCK RUNNING' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierDaddy28 Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? If you wound 3 or more deer in one year without a solid kill, then you might need to find a new hobby. There is no way you could be prepared to hunt and contiually wound animals. You don't have to be a "deadeye" to know your limits and not try to exceed them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? [ QUOTE ] This is EXACTLY why I will NEVER EVER talk about losing a deer in here. To many judgemental people. Let me ask this, were you in the stand with some of these people when they missed? Do you know the EXACT circumstances involving these lost deer? I think not. Yeah, EVERYONE will lose a deer, be it with gun, bow, or ML, IT HAPPENS. I guess that if EVERYONE that ever lost a deer quit hunting, there wouldn't be very many hunters out in the woods. I am sure some of these folk you talk about are CONSTANTLY making bad shots, but I am sure that not all do it. To be HONEST, I DID lose a doe a couple of weeks ago, but ya know what, I have also been practicing since around MAY, not everyday, but at leats a couple of times a week, up until time change. Made me sick, I was sick for 2 freakin days after it. I still ain't over it, but ya know what, I'm gonna soldier on, and prove to myself that I can get it done. [/ QUOTE ] That is why this thread makes me angry because you dont know all the details . We are not perfect nobody is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This is EXACTLY why I will NEVER EVER talk about losing a deer in here. To many judgemental people. Let me ask this, were you in the stand with some of these people when they missed? Do you know the EXACT circumstances involving these lost deer? I think not. Yeah, EVERYONE will lose a deer, be it with gun, bow, or ML, IT HAPPENS. I guess that if EVERYONE that ever lost a deer quit hunting, there wouldn't be very many hunters out in the woods. I am sure some of these folk you talk about are CONSTANTLY making bad shots, but I am sure that not all do it. To be HONEST, I DID lose a doe a couple of weeks ago, but ya know what, I have also been practicing since around MAY, not everyday, but at leats a couple of times a week, up until time change. Made me sick, I was sick for 2 freakin days after it. I still ain't over it, but ya know what, I'm gonna soldier on, and prove to myself that I can get it done. [/ QUOTE ] That is why this thread makes me angry because you dont know all the details . We are not perfect nobody is [/ QUOTE ] Is this directed to me, or the initial poster?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoss Posted November 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? Mirage where did I say you had to be perfect to bow hunt ? Where did I say that no one including myself makes mistake ? I believe I said the opposite a few times. But when "bad luck" or circumstances beyond are control have someone wound more than say 2 deer I just dont believe their season should continue. Like I said not fair to the animal for us to do that to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntin4ever Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? I agree to an extent....however, a few seasons ago I had a real bad streak....I shot two bucks in one week with my bow that weren't found until later in the year....one was a broadside 27 yd shot....complete pass through and right behind the shoulder....deer bedded down only 80 yds away...thought that I had him until a fellow hunter came out of the woods just a few minutes after he bedded...the deer got back up and ran....tracked solid blood for near a mile and then a down pour came and lost the deer.....the other buck I shot quartering at 10 yds...he tried to cross the creek which was high from the rain that made me lose the other buck and I'm pretty sure he was swept downstream....should I have put my bow up...I think not.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntin4ever Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? just for clarification....i am trying to come off as being smart...and i think that your point is that bowhunters need to be prepared and take good shots....however i am trying to point out that what about a guy who makes two good shots and has bad luck....should he quit?? after that week i did feel horrible and didn't go out for a week or so, but i didn't let it keep me down and took a doe about 2 weeks later.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoss Posted November 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? [ QUOTE ] I think not.... [/ QUOTE ] Why not ? I agree 110% so it is clear that both of those things were not your fault but that being said those were 2 deer lives wasted. Why should there be a 3rd ? My initial question in this thread that no one has given an opinion on is how many is enough ? If these bad luck things were to happen say 10-15 times is it fair to have 10-15 deer go to waste or walk around in pain and wounded ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? Instead of "preaching" to US, why don't you take it with the folks that are doing this through a PM.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoss Posted November 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? [ QUOTE ] Instead of "preaching" to US, why don't you take it with the folks that are doing this through a PM.... [/ QUOTE ] Gator who is preaching ? Last time I checked this forum was here to dicuss issues just like this one. No one is forcing you to participate in it. Should we close all the threads you have started and have you contact people by PM ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntin4ever Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? I understand what you're getting across BigMoss and by no means I am I saying that I promote guys going out and continually wounding deer...I guess my opinion if the reason for the lost deer is uncontrollable and not the result of a bad shot choice or not being prepared....then why should a guy who lives to get out and hunt put his bow up....I'm wondering what your opinion is on how many is too many..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoss Posted November 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? H4E that is a good responce exactley the one I started this thread for. Some other members I guess are just not capable of discussing things without getting angry or insecure. I am not sure myself on that one I have had bad years and with my bow called it quits after 2 lost deer. I figured I had one chance was lucky enough to get another and when that did not work out put down the bow for that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? No Gator I agree with you. However There is a BIG part of hunters in here that think that hunting is bang the animals dead and all is good. In my world that dosnt always happen. I dont think of deer as my pet or a person I go out there to KILL them. Then eat them ,not pet them ,not feed them, unless it makes it easier to kill them. Even the little one are not safe around my stand. I only bow hunt and enjoy it alot but when people start saying they dont understand why or how people could shoot a deer and not find it sound bad to me. I shot a buck a couple of years ago that i could not find and it made me upset because I couldnt find it not because I was worried about that buck but because I wanted that deer bad. just being honest here. And if I was worried about that deer suffering perhaps I shouldnt be hunting because I am out to kill them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Is it just me ? I used the word PREACHING loosely, as lack of a better word for the point I was trying to get across. You tell us 2 is to many, my point here is why not take THAT to the people that are the ones doing this, and not the masses. How many is to many, I don't know, in a perfect world, 1 is to many, but this ain't a perfect world. For the record, the doe I lost, was broadside 15yds, NOTHING between me and her but AIR, and somehow, I gut shot her. I have NO IDEA what went wrong. Does that bother me, your darn tootin it does. Does it make me scared to shoot at a deer again, YES, IT DOES. But I don't need someone coming in here downing me and anyone else that looses ANY deer, UNLESS you know the whole story, just not the part where someone looses a deer, and that's where the reading stops, and the "hating" begins. And I use the word "HATING" VERY LOOSELY. Rememeber we ALL learn from our mistakes, unfortunately, it may take some to make more mistakes than others to learn from them. maybe some of these folks don't have anyone there to help them, guide them in the right direction, and in this case, yes it is the animal that has to suffer. It's unfortunate but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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