Guest sheald Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! You guys just didnt get what I was trying to say..I never said they said they were the best hunters. Maybe you all should go back and re-read that initial post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! Sounds to me like your not hunting in the right place.I did a search on hunting deer in Maine.Your 6 to 8% success rates only true for part of the state.Central Maine the success rate jups to 15 to 30%. [ QUOTE ] The breakdown of how many deer were tagged in each Maine town last year actually surprised some veteran Maine biologists. "I'm amazed how quickly you go from 244 (deer taken in Corinna) to two, one, eight and five (in northern Maine towns)," said state wildlife biologist Keel Kemper in central Maine, a biologist for 18 years and a deer hunter. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] But, by and large, in northern and eastern Maine, towns registered a deer harvest in the single digits, while in central Maine, more than a 100 was the norm. [/ QUOTE ] Maines also home to one of the largest subspecies of whitetail deer in the country. [ QUOTE ] MAINE IS HOME to one of the largest of the 30 recognized subspecies of white-tailed deer. BUCKS CAN REACH record live weights of nearly 400 pounds, although most range from 200 to 300 pounds. Does are smaller, about 120 to 175 pounds. [/ QUOTE ] Must be tough to live in a state with such a problem. [ QUOTE ] DEER HARVESTS have been monitored since 1919. A record 41,000 deer were registered during 1951, 1959 and 1968. Today, deer harvests range from 19,500 to 31,000 a year. MAINE'S DEER POPULATION is estimated to be about 255,000 wintering deer. [/ QUOTE ] You guys are only killing 31,000 out of an estimated 255,000 deer a year, sometimes less.Sounds to me llike theres a lot of deer getting overlooked somewhere there. I guese what I trying to say is, your complaining about how someone else hunts, your complaining about low success rates and a lack of big deer.When iin reality your home to a place where bucks over 200 lbs are harvested every year, at the end of the season theres still around 221,000 deer left alive out of a herd of 255,000.If your not seeing and/or shooting deer every year with numbers like that your either in the wrong spot or doing something wrong.If your still not happy with your hunting experience instead of worrying about what the guys on tv are doing your time could be better spent contacting your state wildlife departent about making changes to the regulations, giving out more tags or getting more access to places to hunt.I dont live there, I dont know what the problem is exactly, but it would be up to you guys in the state to start the ball rolling towards changing the situation, not the pro staffers on tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! By the way, that wasnt a personal attack, it just sounds to me like you have the numbers and genetics in that state to have a much better deer hunting scenario then your describing.Any idea how many tags are given out in Maine every year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! [ QUOTE ] You guys just didnt get what I was trying to say..I never said they said they were the best hunters. Maybe you all should go back and re-read that initial post. [/ QUOTE ] Your right you never said they said they were the best hunters, instead you said they were not. [ QUOTE ] Sure those guys have shot some nice deer, but do you really think its because they are the best hunters? I think not [/ QUOTE ] Twice you say your not slamming them, but to me that seems to be what your thread is about. Maybe you should go back and reread your original post because evidently the point you were trying to make is coming off completely different to me and some of the other members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! Welcome to the forums. Get some interesting posts like these from newbies from time to time here. Not sure really if you are not slamming them, then exactly what your point in this is? Maybe you are trying to justify to yourself the reasons why you are not more successful in Maine? Sure most of us would like to see one of the pros come to where we hunt, give us some tips and pointers and maybe even try to hunt our properties, but cannot expect them to kill a 150 class animal on a property where the county record is a 150 class animal. Realistically it just does not work that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhbowhunter Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! Your odds of shooting a deer do increase if you hunt in an area with lots of deer, there is good managment, you have outfitters or guides to put you in the best areas, and you have luck. I cannot make any assesment on how good or bad a hunter someone is. I think anyone hunting a strickly and properly managed lease in Illinois is going to fair better than if they were hunting in Northern Maine public lands. As for my expereince in Maine. Never been a problem. We hunt Northern Maine past Baxter State park. Our camp is three guys and we average 2 bucks a year with 8 or more points and body weight around the 200 mark dressed. Our advantage? We own our place, take 3 weeks off to hunt, track on snow (when possible), hunt every legal minute of the day, no booze allowed, and luck. Northern Maine, imo, is probably one of the most difficult place to hunt in the country. Low deer density, harsh terrain, harsh climate, land and game managment practices that do not promote a healthy deer population, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! Just like bling bling sells jewelry and cars, big bucks sells clothing, video's and equipment. Their wives and children have killed bigger deer than I have, are the gretest hunters. No, they just have better and more oppertunities than I do to hunt big deer. You've opened a can of worms with that statement and it's the wrong site do it on or any site. Sure we've got some hunters in the business that have given it a bad name, but the guys at RT, Primos, Easton Outdoors, The wild outdoors, Gettin' Close, Spirit of the Wild, etc. are all great hunters in my eyes. They do so much for us and in the bowhunting world. Some of their great hunting must have rubbed off on you to want to go to Montana and hunt where they did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gitcha_some Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! [ QUOTE ] Some of their great hunting must have rubbed off on you to want to go to Montana and hunt where they did? [/ QUOTE ] thats a good point...i had never even heard of half of the great whitetail spots in america until i watched my first monster bucks tape all those years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! I have nothing but praise and admiration for the way Realtree prostaffers conduct themselves, they are TRUE ambassadors of hunting. Rock on Team Realtree... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HuntCast Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! [ QUOTE ] That being said, if they are hunting public land every week and paying for the equipment, time, personel, etc., what kind of TV shows and videos would we be producing? And who's going to buy them? S [/ QUOTE ] Not so fast there.......... If you frequent any of the other boards out there, you will see that there is an ever increasing minority clamoring for a realistic T.V. show or video series that DOES show all public land hunting. Not going to replace Monster Bucks anytime in the future, lol, but may be a nice sub set of videos for Team Realtree to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sheald Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! People think they are awesome hunters..Maybe they are,,but my point is its certainly not that hardest thing to do to shoot a deer on the Milk River in Montana. Let me tell you..Bring the boys to Maine and we will head to Northern Me. and just see what they shoot or how long they last. I like those guys, but everyone on here thinks they are gods or something. I shot a 166 class buck in Montana the first freakin nite setting. Am I complaining..absolutely not..but what kinda skill does that take? not much when you see 100 deer a night..Bound to see a shooter buck!...Those guys dont scout..the show up at an outfitter that already has scouted the deer and go to the stand and shoot a deer.>BIG DEAL!!!..(Anybody on here, well most of them anyway could do that) So dont slam on me for speaking the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianxt Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! I think the realtree guys great your rite they dont the chance to scout some of the spots they hunt.My god some of there hunts only last two three days and thats not alot of time to get to no a area your not familar with thats what the guides get paid for.Besides they are on this land mostly year round when you spend that much time in the woods you no deer movement like the back of you hand.Maybe it ant the fact that you guys ant got deer maybe its the hunter .I look at deer hunting like a job you got to work to get on and stay on deer . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehunter Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! I'll agree that that it's a lot tougher here in Maine, but I for one have seen plenty of deer this fall. I do have a doe permit, but have selected not to use it yet. There hasn't been a year in the last twenty that I haven't filled my tag. I have no giant racks, but I did take a nice buck in Northern Maine two years ago that dressed at 252lbs. Was it as easy as sitting in a cornfield and having 50 deer come out NO, but would I want to trade the hunt NEVER! Myself I don't think I would want to have to keep there schedule up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bghunter777 Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! its a business the realtree guys are great people. shooting monster bucks is how they make there living. whether they would be successful in Northern Maine is not really there problem. lets say your job was to be a farmer grow corn would you go to Alaska to do so. Most of these guys have expierienced hunting as the majority of us know they have not always been so fortunate to be Realtree. so they can relate to us. just be thiankful every day you can get out there and pursue any whitetail for they are truly awesome creatures whether it be a 50 or a 150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sheald Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! Hey Me Hunter.. Great Buck the one at 252..Where bouts did you get that? I am 41 years old living in Knox Cty and have shot 14 over 200lbs..All right here in this area. I have been hunting Fri & Sat's In Rockwood area. Have seen 9 bucks in the last two weekends, but nothing that great yet. We need the weather to cool off a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! sheald it sounds to me like you see plenty deer. I've shot 1 buck that weighed 180lbs and he's the biggest one I've seen. This year I've been out every Saturday sence Oct. 1 and have only seen 2 legal bucks. You seem bitter to me for no good reason. I don't think anyone on here has said anything about what kind of hunters the realtree pros are except for you. They live a great life, hunting and traveling to some of the best places in the country. It's their job. Like I've said befor, I've seen Micheal Waddle miss more deer than I have. That just means he's human, he's probibly seen probibly 100 times more than I have. It's a job, a very good,very fun, very rewarding job, but just a job. If you've seen 9 bucks already this year count yourself lucky and quit whining about what a man does for a living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sheald Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! Hey john F...You obviously dont understand what I was saying. You think Im bitter? Read some posts..its said on here all the time what kinda hunters wadell, blanton and jordan are. Absolutely they do live a great life.. If you think im whining..you dont understand anything,,that might be the reason you have only seen 2 bucks..instead of worrying what I am saying..you might want to worry about what you are doing wrong in the woods!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger-Hunter Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! You never see a video made in Minnesota because there is a law against hunting guide operations. If anyone made a video where they hunted on the same land as everyone else, the video would be called Average Bucks Vol1 or 25 Most Frustrating Hunts. Anyone can shoot a big one if a guide puts you in the best tree stand. i want to see a video where there are 4 or 5 hunts and they video the scouting, the deer sign, reasons they chose the site, trail cam pics, video or still shots of spotting scope scouting, and then the hunts. That would be more realistic. I'm starting to enjoy Truth about Hunting videos since it is more realistic. I realize that they are going after Monster Bucks, but the reality of it is that if you've seen one or two videos, you've seen them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Xen Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! whatever, everybody here knows that i am the best hunter ever, duh! ok, sarcasm off oh, welcome to the forums also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sheald Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! STORIALE!! Finally somebody understood what I was trying to say..Good Job, and thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3whunt Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! I back you Johnf... man take it easy sheald...lets don't start mouthing.... you wanted peoples opinions and they are giving them to you... you don't have to like them... but don't trash other forum members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! You need to read your post before you submit if you don't think you are bitter, because you sure come off that way. The two legal bucks I've seen have both been 130+ deer which is well above average for these parts. I didn't mention the other bucks and doe I've seen and don't plan on it. I've had one of them come within 5 yard of me but was through the brush, and where I'm hunting it's illegal to cut the trees. So other than not doing something illigal, I think I'm probibly doing everything right. Yes I think you are bitter, it comes off very strongly in your writing style. I remember a post about Jim Shokey a week or so ago, but to my recolection, I can't remember anything about Blanton, Jordan or Wadell except what kind of people they are. As far as "reading some post", I've been on here for a good little while and would venture to say have read just a few more post than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhbowhunter Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! Wow, if SHEALD meant to say what STORIALE said then man oh man, someone needs to learn a little forum decorum/ettiquette. I believe your intention may have been good but your methods fall way short... Ugh, maybe someone will lock the post down... at some point... and end the insanity... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierDaddy28 Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! To be honest. I post on a particular IU basketball site and we would call this a flame post. Pretty obvious he is trying to get a rise out of everyone and is doing a great job. I would suggest ignoring and moving on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Re: To be honest Its kinda sickening!!! [ QUOTE ] You never see a video made in Minnesota because there is a law against hunting guide operations. If anyone made a video where they hunted on the same land as everyone else, the video would be called Average Bucks Vol1 or 25 Most Frustrating Hunts. [/ QUOTE ] Pat Reeve has hunted on video with Fair Chase Outfitters in Minnesota. These guys on on Pro-Staffs for a reason...they are good hunters. Being on a Pro-Staff means you'll get more opportunities to hunt better places across the country for trophy animals. Some of the best hunters in the world aren't on Pro-Staffs. The folks that make it on Pro-Staffs have the right opportunity at the right time and make the most of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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