QDMAworks4me Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 This article was sent to me and I thought I would share it with you. In the past we have had many discussions on AR's and many different people have many different viewpoints on weather they are working in places they have been implemented and weather or not they might help places where they have not been implemented.. This article talks about Pennsylvania which as many of us know have AR's implemented. Article about AR's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born2Hunt Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? Very good article. Thanks for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QDMAworks4me Posted November 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? So do you hunters from Pennsylvania think that this information is true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007hunter Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? I would agree that they are working. The biggest change that I noticed was the buck to doe ratio. Its gotta be close to 1 buck for every 2 does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockwave Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? Everytime a post like this gets started i answer the same way, Heck yeah it`s working!!!! With the exception of the 2 small bucks i saw yesterday, everything i saw this year was an 8 or better, and i saw at least 20 different bucks this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QDMAworks4me Posted November 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? [ QUOTE ] I would agree that they are working. The biggest change that I noticed was the buck to doe ratio. Its gotta be close to 1 buck for every 2 does. [/ QUOTE ] I have never been able to hunt land that is a 2 to 1 ratio, does it the rut a lot more agressive, do you see a lot more deer up and on the move during the chase phase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? [ QUOTE ] With the exception of the 2 small bucks i saw yesterday, everything i saw this year was an 8 or better, and i saw at least 20 different bucks this year [/ QUOTE ] Are you saying that out of 20 bucks, you saw only 2 small bucks? Personally, I wouldn't consider that real good news. Sounds like something is getting terribly out of wack there. I realize that that is an extremely unscientific sampling, but it may indicate some future problems. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QDMAworks4me Posted November 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] With the exception of the 2 small bucks i saw yesterday, everything i saw this year was an 8 or better, and i saw at least 20 different bucks this year [/ QUOTE ] Are you saying that out of 20 bucks, you saw only 2 small bucks? Personally, I wouldn't consider that real good news. Sounds like something is getting terribly out of wack there. I realize that that is an extremely unscientific sampling, but it may indicate some future problems. Doc [/ QUOTE ] Just taking a stab in the dark but it could be due to the fact that the young bucks are staying in the brush because the more dominant bucks are out trolling around. Here in NY where there is a lot less competition for does we see young bucks all the time, but maybe they feel threatened enough to stay away because the bigger bucks have put them in there place. According to the biologists the older bucks are the bucks that should be doing the breeding with a very close buck to doe ratio maybe that is what is actually going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockwave Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] With the exception of the 2 small bucks i saw yesterday, everything i saw this year was an 8 or better, and i saw at least 20 different bucks this year [/ QUOTE ] Are you saying that out of 20 bucks, you saw only 2 small bucks? Personally, I wouldn't consider that real good news. Sounds like something is getting terribly out of wack there. I realize that that is an extremely unscientific sampling, but it may indicate some future problems. Doc [/ QUOTE ] Am i mistaken to think that seeing mature bucks is a bad thing ?? The only problem i see is, the lack of does for all of these mature bucks to mate with.. A guy who hunts on a farm close to the one i hunt on saw 9 sub-legal bucks yesterday. With the mild winters and hopefully no roadkills, how many do you think will make it next year ?? I`m thinking they should all be an 8 or better, genetically willing of course... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsman2230 Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? The only buck that my dad saw yesterday was legal. Usually we see tiny bucks around where we are. I think its working to make bucks bigger and older deer for sure. They just need to stop selling a few doe tags. Just to enough to keep the ratio around 2 to 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? The information in that article closely mirrors the results we're seeing in those areas of Texas that have implemented AR. Glad to see some successes in other states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QDMAworks4me Posted November 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? [ QUOTE ] Am i mistaken to think that seeing mature bucks is a bad thing ?? [/ QUOTE ] Not in my opinion that is for sure, I would say you are lucky. In Ny during the season I usually see about 25 to 30 bucks a season but this year that was not the case. I only saw 10, and that is hunting almost every day after work and weekends. Many friends of mine noticed the same thing. It was not due to the fact that they were not around it was due to the fact that the weather was way to warm and rainy. I have had season where all I have seen is mature bucks and it does not mean that the little ones are not around it just means you were not where they were when you were hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyt03 Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? In my area, doe numbers are way down, which in turn does create a better rut as for seeing action, problem was all I could see so far this year was spikes and forhorns and three legal bucks. I have never seen so mnay 1.5 yr old spikes running does around like they were. I sure hope they do grow up by next year cause I should have one heck of a year with the amount of young bucks I've seen this year. Overall though i'm going to say I really do not see much difference. Big bucks got taken every year before AR, and I really do not see an increase in the # of big buks taken. Just see alot more younger bucks that get to make it another year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QDMAworks4me Posted November 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? [ QUOTE ] In my area, doe numbers are way down, which in turn does create a better rut as for seeing action, problem was all I could see so far this year was spikes and forhorns and three legal bucks. I have never seen so mnay 1.5 yr old spikes running does around like they were. I sure hope they do grow up by next year cause I should have one heck of a year with the amount of young bucks I've seen this year. Overall though i'm going to say I really do not see much difference. Big bucks got taken every year before AR, and I really do not see an increase in the # of big buks taken. Just see alot more younger bucks that get to make it another year. [/ QUOTE ] Would you like to see the AR's taken away or would you say that you are satisfied seeing more bucks make it through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007hunter Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I would agree that they are working. The biggest change that I noticed was the buck to doe ratio. Its gotta be close to 1 buck for every 2 does. [/ QUOTE ] I have never been able to hunt land that is a 2 to 1 ratio, does it the rut a lot more agressive, do you see a lot more deer up and on the move during the chase phase? [/ QUOTE ] Now what I saw came from a very limited time hunting. I wasn't able to hunt nearly as much as in past years. There'd be days out where I'd see more bucks than doe, now most of them bucks were not legal but next year is looking good! Another thing I noticed was that I never saw a large group of does. If I were to see does they either were by themselves or in pairs. Rarely in groups of 3 or more. As for the rut, I can't really say since my time afield was so limited and when I was out there the weather wasn't that great... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDRUNNER Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? What is your AR?8 points....outside the ears? Aren't the odds pretty good that most of the 1 1/2 old spikes won't have 8 points by next season. That is interesting data,and according to the numbers it looks like AR's are working there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007hunter Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? [ QUOTE ] What is your AR?8 points....outside the ears? Aren't the odds pretty good that most of the 1 1/2 old spikes won't have 8 points by next season. That is interesting data,and according to the numbers it looks like AR's are working there. [/ QUOTE ] Its 3 points on one side for the central, northeast, and northwest regions and 4 points on one side for the southwest region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPGS22 Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? I'd say they are working. I killed a ten point last year archery hunting and an eight point this year. I don't see the numbers of deer I used too but the bucks are bigger. I think that they should keep the antler restrictions but bring the two week buck season and two or three day doe back to up the numbers of deer. With the season of two week people see brown and shoot. You can't kill all the does off for two weeks and expect there be any deer left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? How many years PA hunters did you start to see the results of the AR'S? I ask because the area I hunt in NY,3H has just undergone AR's, 3 on one side. There is a investment period with all AR's how long did it take to materialize? Thanks... Sorry QDMA, Not looking to hijack your thread , just looking for similiar info on AR's. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPGS22 Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? I would say I could see results in 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tunkhannockbowhunter Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? AR works! you should see the caliber of bucks being killed in my hunting area compared to 5 years ago. my hunting buddy killed a 163 inch 10 pointer 2 years ago and the neighboring land owner killed a 150 incher last year. i know of a few that are in the 130 to 150 range that ive seen spotlighting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? [ QUOTE ] So do you hunters from Pennsylvania think that this information is true? [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QDMAworks4me Posted November 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? [ QUOTE ] How many years PA hunters did you start to see the results of the AR'S? I ask because the area I hunt in NY,3H has just undergone AR's, 3 on one side. There is a investment period with all AR's how long did it take to materialize? Thanks... Sorry QDMA, Not looking to hijack your thread , just looking for similiar info on AR's. Thanks [/ QUOTE ] Hey Adjam5, not a problem I think we are both looking for the same type of information. Those are good questions that I did not even think to type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QDMAworks4me Posted November 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? Another question that I have for you guys from PA is do you have a lot of poachers or people shooting young deer and leaving them since you have adopted AR's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockwave Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Re: Are AR\'s Working In Pennsylvania? I found 2 deer left to rot since they adopted the A.R. policy, one was a 8 pointer whos brow tines were about 1/4 of an inch short, and the other was a huge 6 with no brows having a 14 inch spread, thats bad enough, but i guess it could be worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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