FSU_Seminole Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. [ QUOTE ] Here in MS it is mandetory durring rifle season. It is my understanding even if you are squirrel hunting durring rifle season, or bow hunting you must wear hunters orange durring rifle season. For me making hunters orange maditory is kinda like making wearing a seat belt manditory. They are looking out for you. In a perfect world we wouldn't need hunters orange. Everyone would practice safe firearm safty, know what there target is and know what is behind thier target. But unforturnatley we do not live in a perfect world. When squirrel hunting with a buddy i have noticed how hard it is to pick him out in the woods even though i know he is there. If he doesn't move it's hard to see him. It not so much getting mistaken by a deer that concerns me as shooting at a deer and not seeing the hunter standing behind it. And of course you have these nuckleheads out there that shoot a bushes moving, dark spots, ect. Hunters orange saves lives. If you don't wear it you are taking your life in your own hands. I'm not sure but i think hunters orange is required to be worn on public land even if you are not hunting. I know my surveying crew weres it durring hunting season to keep from getting shot while surveying. [/ QUOTE ] Here in SC the law was changed a few years back. Orange is only required on certain federal land, but if you shoot another hunter you are going to pay a stiff price. If you were born after 1980 everyone has to take a hunter education course. I believe that course was put in place so hunters wouldn't have to wear the orange. After taking this class, if you do shoot another hunter by accident the law will come down hard on you like you did it on purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhbowhunter Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. I live in one of the few state that does not mandate hunter orange. Since the 1960's hunting accidents have steadily decreased. The primary factors? 1. Required hunter education 2. Expanded hunting seasons. Our hunting season begins 9/15 and goes through 12/15. Our hunters can use multiple methods over a very long period of time, avoiding a "glut" of activity in a short period. 3. Legislation that permits the accessability of large private tracks of land to public hunting. If the solution to prevent accidents was mandated hunter orange then states that required orange should have no accidents. But this is not the case. Why? Negligence on the part of hunters, who, regardless of orange mandates will shoot at any sound or movement. Education and respect is the key. People wearing orange are still the vicitms of accidents, a lot of good mandated hunter orange laws do them. Mandating hunter orange does very little if you don't educate people. Case in point, states that do not require hunter orange and have been able to decrease the number of hunting related accidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAMABUCKS Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. Had a kid 2 seasons ago walk through the woods on me during a morning hunt. It was about 11:00 & he was back at his camp with his hunting party when he decised to take a stroll through the woods. His walk led him onto our property & right down in front of me. This young man was wearing all camo with nothing on his head & he had the whitest hair you have ever seen. When I noticed him, he was climbing over a blow down below me about 80 yards out & coming toward me. My first thought when seeing the white coming over the log was that the neighbors had spooked a deer toward me. Wrong..it was this kid. I let him keep coming & about 40 yards away i whistle to him. He comes on up & we talk about safety & then the propery lines. In Alabama orange is only required while hunting...not just walking in the woods, but I reminded him of his cotton top & for his safety recommended that he wear orange anytime he is in the woods. I would rather be seen by people & possibly game and return home safely; than too be hid from the world & never return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. [ QUOTE ] I really have no great problem with wearing it was I have stated but for those of you that are in favor of it statewide that have already responded, would you answer this? Would you then "require" everyone in the woods to wear it? The biker or hiker? The local DEP officer? The farmer herding his cows back to the barn that has to cut through a section of woods? Why or why? [/ QUOTE ] Actually that a very good question.How many news storied do you see where the guy that was shot wasnt hunting and was on public land during the firearms deer season.I recall reading quite a few that happened that way over the years. Along those lines during ML season I have to wear an orange vest but archery seasons also open, duck season, trapping season, fall turkey, predator hunting, it may keep me safe but if theres a guy sitting in the cattails in full camo with a bow Im never going to see him unless he calls out.Ive had people out in the middle of nowhere walk thier dogs under my treestands ifd the weather stays nice and never know Im there. Ive been on the other end before as well, I set up to bowhunt in a small opening in a slough about three years ago before daylight, when the sun came up the deer started trickling back through the opening.I noticed something and it dawned on me a guy ML hunting was sitting less then 100 yrds away in the cattails with the deer coming between him and me, not a good situation.Ive had pheasant hunters shoot up into the trees I was sitting in on two occasions while bowhunting.Guys walk right past me in the slough while waterfowl hunting. I guesse my biggest concern is that they mandate it for some seasons but at any given time 2/3 of the people you encounter still dont have to wear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HaDeRonDa Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. [ QUOTE ] Kind of along the lines of motorcycles and helmets. Brings up the question, "can you mandate safety?" IMHO, you're just an idiot if you're out there walking, hunting or not, without some sort of blaze on. [/ QUOTE ] But the safety item shouldn't be at the expense of others freedoms. Should it? The seatbelt and motorcycle helmet does not affect those that do not ride or get behind the wheel. It only affects those that ride and drive. If blaze orange is required during a hunting season and not just the big game season, some states allow year round coyote hunting. In fact in NY you can hunt year round. There are species that are unprotected by law and can be hunted at anytime. So then I guess you should have to wear blaze orange anytime you step foot outside? NO? Mowing the back 40? You had better be wearing orange for fear of getting a bullet through the seat of your tractor. ______________________________________ These examples of accidents further help actually to complicate the issue. And these examplese are great. If a guy for example could be shot in a camo blind should we make blinds out of orange? It makes no difference that he was wearing camo. He could have been wearing a pink hulla skirt. The fact is, he got shot! By accident I presume. Sad as well. Not all accidents are preventable. Who bears the responsibility? The shooter or the one being shot? Who should bear the responsibility? Grandma taking a walk may be wearing blaze orange but should he have to while she walks fido? Might this just put more strain and help the antis fight if orange was required to be worn for all? I'll be out hunting tomorrow and wearing orange. It's not that I like the glow that it gives my face in the sunlight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. In any type of gun season, YES, everybody should be wearing blaze orange whether it's on private land public land or whatever. You'd be nuts not too IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun_300 Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. We are required to wear it here in Ontario during rifle season. I agree with the law, I wear it everywhere I go during rifle season. It doesn't effect the deer seeing you opposed to if you were in camo, so what's the big deal? If it came down to a debate, my life is more important than shooting a deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. I actually didn't read all the reply's... My opinion is...it should be a personal choice on private land. State land...well its owned by the state and they can mandate any law they choose. I also feel that anyone that shoots someone else because they thought it was game?????? I don't care what your wearing...if you can't tell the difference between a human and a deer before you pull the trigger...you shouldn't be out there. And with these morons, it don't matter what your wearing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. [ QUOTE ] You had better be wearing orange for fear of getting a bullet through the seat of your tractor. [/ QUOTE ] Cannot help but get a chuckle out of that, the tractor is Kubota orange. Would hope that it is pretty visible. [ QUOTE ] Who bears the responsibility? The shooter or the one being shot? [/ QUOTE ] Ultimately in my opinion the shooter is responsible and should be held totally accountable for knowing his/her target and what is behind it. If that simple rule was followed I would imagine the biggest majority of the innocent people who get shot would be dramatically reduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HaDeRonDa Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. Snapper and Wtnhunt, I'm right with you here but it seems as if the problem that some may have is the responsibility of pulling the trigger. It seems as if others are wearing orange they would feel possibly less likely to not be so quick to pull the trigger. We need to get out of the habit of seeing a white tail and hurling bullets across the woodlot. Orange helps to prevent someone from this type of behavior. It seems as if they may be caught up on the problem of wearing it instead of individual rights NOT to wear it. Shaun 300, if grandma walks her dog near a woodlot does she in Ontario have to wear orange as well? If not, do you know why she does not have to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HaDeRonDa Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. Did you know that there are areas where non-hunters are required to wear blaze orange by law? How do you feel about this legally? From a individual rights standpoint? From a social standpoint? It's not in any way similar to the "seatbelt" law is it? Maybe I'm missing it but how so? I honestly feel that we as a society need to be more careful with our legislation, if that legislation affects those not engaged in those particular activities, when the people engaged in those activities can make the decision to be safer or not on their own. Ie. The wearing of blaze orange All males have to register with selective service in this country. Should we make all females as well. They can join our military. Hypocritical or an outdated, possibly Constitutional requirement? Sorry for the tangent from blaze orange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QDMAworks4me Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. [ QUOTE ] My opinion is...it should be a personal choice on private land. State land...well its owned by the state and they can mandate any law they choose. I also feel that anyone that shoots someone else because they thought it was game?????? I don't care what your wearing...if you can't tell the difference between a human and a deer before you pull the trigger...you shouldn't be out there. And with these morons, it don't matter what your wearing! [/ QUOTE ] I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sskybnd Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. i personaley dont like wearing it, i like to be fully camafluged as possable, and im with wtnhunt, when i think to many people get shot becouse of lack of jugment, people see something move and go sending bullets that way, before they realy know what it is there shooting at. i feel any one that shoots some one is resonsable for that action no matter what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger-Hunter Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] A friend of mine was hunting and had his sights on what he thought was a deer, he waited to make sure. it was a guy with an orange hat on, with his white-hooded sweater shirt draped over his orange hat. He almost took one in the chest. [/ QUOTE ] that's why when you look to see id something is a deer... you use binocs instead of a scope. [/ QUOTE ] It was inclement weather and the guy was 25 yards away (10 minutes into shooting light, heavy fog, and he wasn't using a scope, he had open sights) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. I wear blaze orange with a camo pattern. I had a young buck come withing 10 yards of me last night and he never noticed me. Wouldn't that be a good compromize if legal in your area. I think what deer see is a big patch of solid color and that's what gets their attention, not the fact that it's a particular color. You don't see solids like that in the woods and I think they notice that. JMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. [ QUOTE ] Being seen by other hunters and not getting shot is more important than getting a deer. If its law, have it on, even if its not, remember you may not be the only one in the woods, be seen, be safe!! [/ QUOTE ] During any gun season except dove season and turkey while moving about, here in PA its manditory! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. [ QUOTE ] I actually didn't read all the reply's... My opinion is...it should be a personal choice on private land. State land...well its owned by the state and they can mandate any law they choose. I also feel that anyone that shoots someone else because they thought it was game?????? I don't care what your wearing...if you can't tell the difference between a human and a deer before you pull the trigger...you shouldn't be out there. And with these morons, it don't matter what your wearing! [/ QUOTE ] Snap what about this example....... there is a guy hunting across a ridge from you during rifle season. Say 200-300 yards. In camo, you'd have no clue he was even there. You see a deer somewhere in between the two of you, pull the trigger, and you hit the guy. Now, maybe if that guy was wearing orange you would of at least caught a glimpse of him. You see what I am saying? It's not just about telling the difference between a deer and a human, it's being able to see people behind your range of fire, and all around you for that matter, that you would not normally see if they were wearing camo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. Ok, I know I've probably posted this comment on this forum several times already, but I believe that there a lot of people who seem to me missing it. I'm sure most of you have seen the Realtree ad where they have three or four fully camoed hunters in the picture and they ask you to pick them out of the picture. I doubt there is anybody who could actually find them the first time they saw that ad. It is possible for hunters at very close range to blend in perfectly and become perfectly invisible even while standing in plain sight. So you tell me just how absolutely sure you are of your background before you shoot, when it is still legal for people to dress exactly that way. Now let's add in the possibility that you are shooting in an area that allows rifles and that camoed guy could be a couple hundred yards down range. Get real folks, other than those hunting a cleared shooting range with an earthen backstop, you really don't have a clue what is in the background behind the deer, do you? especially not if it is an arbitrary decision on the hunter's part as to whether he feels like wearing B/O or some of the latest camo patterns. Does that arbitrary decision only effect the idiot that wants to wear camo? Absolutely not! The poor sap that dings that idiot will have to live with the consequences for the rest of his life. How well could you live with such an accident? Could you justify it in your mind because the jerk was in full camo? I doubt it. So a B/O law does not just impact the goof who wears it in a gun season, but there are side victims of his stupidity as well. For example the victim's family, the shooter and the shooter's family as well as other friends of the two involved. So don't get convinced that this is a one-victim incident. As for those who feel that their civil rights are being ruthlessly trampled on by such a terribly repressive law, get over it. We have a lot of other laws and restrictions that we voluntarily live with when it comes to hunting. The argument that a new law is bad simply because it is another new law is really quite ridiculous. New laws have to be judged on their own merit, not just on the fact that it is another new law. Apply a bit of common sense and it simply is obvious that such a law should have been in place ever since the invention of blaze orange. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYBUCK Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I actually didn't read all the reply's... My opinion is...it should be a personal choice on private land. State land...well its owned by the state and they can mandate any law they choose. I also feel that anyone that shoots someone else because they thought it was game?????? I don't care what your wearing...if you can't tell the difference between a human and a deer before you pull the trigger...you shouldn't be out there. And with these morons, it don't matter what your wearing! [/ QUOTE ] Snap what about this example....... there is a guy hunting across a ridge from you during rifle season. Say 200-300 yards. In camo, you'd have no clue he was even there. You see a deer somewhere in between the two of you, pull the trigger, and you hit the guy. Now, maybe if that guy was wearing orange you would of at least caught a glimpse of him. You see what I am saying? It's not just about telling the difference between a deer and a human, it's being able to see people behind your range of fire, and all around you for that matter, that you would not normally see if they were wearing camo. [/ QUOTE ] Ok so how about this .... Your a couple hundred yards away in full camo and the "other" guy never sees you. NOW Same senario .... Your wearing blaze orange and because of that, the "other" guy picks up movement and shoots. I know extreme and crazy but you always hear about people or I should say Morons shooting when they see something move. They would have never seen the guy if he didnt have orange on. Now I do wear an orange hat during our gun seasons just because of the morons that hunt in our area. But I just have a problem with someone telling me I have too espicially when it comes to hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. [ QUOTE ] Same senario .... Your wearing blaze orange and because of that, the "other" guy picks up movement and shoots. [/ QUOTE ] These morons have been around for years. They see something move and they shoot. Every part of our sport has something like these people. Now what about the other people in the woods. This season I have already seen a half a dozen non hunters from my watch. They don't have to wear blaze orange. Who protects them from the morons? How about the Conservation Officer or the farmer looking for a lost calf. How about the neighbor searching for his lost dog before it gets shot? Heck, less than 10 years ago I saw a college student jogging through a field on opening day. These people will be put at risk if there is a manditory blaze orange law. Take Vermont for example, they require blaze orange. Just a few months ago that poor guy who was picking berries was mistaken for a black bear. he was shot and killed. I started wearing a blaze orange cap about 5 years ago. The only time I do not wear it is on opening day because I don't want people knowing where my watch is. The rest of the season it never leaves my head. BTW? Has anyone been killed this year in NY while deer hunting? I try to keep an ear open but I have heard nothing this year. What is the accident count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest indianahunter1 Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. i alway's wear blaze orange cause you have guy's that are so excited to shoot that they don't make sure what there shooting at ! orange is a plus we have too wear it no matter what cause squrriel season is in too so on the ground or in a stand orange is a must ! hunt safe ! oh yea owner's should wear orange even if there walking a dog or just walk in the wood's you never know if you have a hunter that has trespassed ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HaDeRonDa Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. You have to love all these terrible examples of accidents that have happened both while and while not wearing it. Great examples and reason they all are. Now Doc, you do know that the Supreme Court does not feel the same way you do. Right? What is that saying? LMBO Every law is not judged on it's own merits but judged on past rulings of the court. Thank GOD! In God We Trust. So Doc, should grandma be forced to wear blaze orange? How about the local NY DEC officer as he patrols? How about the berry picker as RangerClay mentioned? RangerClay, I heard about that berry picker as well. Some would say he must have been at fault for picking during the hunting season right? Isn't that crazy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWiggely Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. Is there a point to these questions or are you just trying to stir up debate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdoc Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. All I know this boy is going to be wearing his hunter orange during any muzzleloader/rifle season. It is the law here in Oklahoma and I think a darn good one--public or private land. todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Re: Ok, I did it!! Blaze orange..the controversy. ITs not a law to have to wear it in VT but I wear a cap or toque while out during the firearms seasons. I do not wear it during archery season. I have had deer within feet of me while wearing a solid vest and a toque over camo and they never saw me. I am seen this time and time again. I believe they do not see the orange at all. It looks more like a solid medium grey to them. Movement is another story. LOL I am not in favor of having a law saying it has to be worn. Its been working in VT for a long while without a law. I see it on more hunters then not in VT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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