Guest yarddog Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okiedog Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. I would rather take a mature buck, but I'am not above taking a young deer. I'am about having meat for my family to eat first, then I trophy hunt. I usually try to take does for my freezer fillers, but not always. My wife shot a little 1 1/2 yr old 8 pt on Thanksgiving. This is not I deer that I would have shot, but it was the right deer for my wife to take. She was so excitied, as was I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tunkhannockbowhunter Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. that mentality is what drives hunters away from the sport. if you want to take a small buck, then take it. as long as its legal. i personally try to harvest a mature animal, but that is my free will to do as i wish. theres no sense in bashing someone who wants to shoot a small buck. this is america after all. if you want to shoot a small buck, go out and do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoytguy08 Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. [ QUOTE ] some people just feel they don't need giant antlers to be a successful hunter, to them its about filling the freezer, and theres nothing wrong with that...a doe, young buck..whatever...it is their choice, not yours, they spend money on tags like everyone else...if you look at your wall and feel you are a great hunter thats fine, but some people find it more important to feed their family first and worry about showing off last... [/ QUOTE ] if your worried about filling ur freezer then shoot the does and let the young bucks go, it's very frustrating to have somebody shoot everything that comes by when ur trying to manage and shoot mature deer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] some people just feel they don't need giant antlers to be a successful hunter, to them its about filling the freezer, and theres nothing wrong with that...a doe, young buck..whatever...it is their choice, not yours, they spend money on tags like everyone else...if you look at your wall and feel you are a great hunter thats fine, but some people find it more important to feed their family first and worry about showing off last... [/ QUOTE ] if your worried about filling ur freezer then shoot the does and let the young bucks go, it's very frustrating to have somebody shoot everything that comes by when ur trying to manage and shoot mature deer [/ QUOTE ] A. I am not talking about me personally and B. If i were talking about me..i would fill my freezer with whatever i please...when you start buying the tags and equipment for everyone else..then you can start telling them what to shoot. a deer is a deer..if you are an antler hunter than fine...but some other people may not be caught up in that type of hunting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. I agree with texan on what he said. I know what i shoot here in my own state i have a minum of 6 scorable points. To date i have never let this down other than my first deer. If im going to go out of state im setting my mind on at least a 130 inch deer im not going to shoot a little scrub the last few minutes. Im there for the fun the friendship and if on a guided hunt there to spend time with people i dont know and get to know them. Ive not hunted as long as you guys but ive went season without shooting a deer and know how its like did i care not a bit i was out with my dad grandpa or whoever sharing the outdoors. Having fun. So no i wouldnt settle for a small buck out of state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. I will shoot what I FEEL is a LEGAL deer. This is the first year in 4 that I have taken a buck here in Oklahoma, but I have taken at least 1 doe a year here, and the same in Alabama. I will not be going there this year, so the 8pt i took with my rifle, although small, will provide meat for the freezer. I am SICK AND TIRED of people coming here telling ME and everyone else what WE SHOULD SHOOT. As long as it is LEGAL, sobeit. If you wanna pay for my tags, license, stand, gas, bullets, arrows, broadheads, and ALL my other expenses, then, and ONLY then, can YOU tell me what I can, can't shoot. Until then, LEAVE ME AND EVERY OTHER "MEAT" HUNTER ALONE. Thank You Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. [ QUOTE ] It's not all about killing a deer. I've been on guided trips and come home empty handed, as well as out of state unguided trips with the same result. But I took a lot more out of the trip than wishing I killed a deer. I love hunting, and killing nice mature deer, but it's the whole experience that keeps me hooked. Just my $0.02 [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Yep, I'm not heading out of state looking for meat for the freezer. I'm going to enjoy the hunt, the scenery, my friends, and maybe bring home a trophy. My standards for what I'll shoot are set when I start the trip and don't change one bit, even at the last 5 minutes of the last day. And I certainly won't feel cheated or feel like I wasted my time and money just because I came home empty handed. Heck, I've zeroed on 2 of the last 3 out of state mule deer hunts I went on, and on both of those I had opportunities at small bucks but chose to pass them up. And both were great trips! [/ QUOTE ] And thats your right, if you wanna eat the tag thats fine, doesnt mean anyone else is obligated to.You can have a great trip and still bring a deer home, you guys talk like someone that shoots a smaller bucks somehow missing out on the same expreience your having.If theyre happy with what they kill whats it to you anyway?It doesnt effect you much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest youngBlood Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. if im ever able to buy my own land, ill only shoot mature bucks. most people here are meat hunters, and I dont mind. I could see if someone was shooting spikes and small bucks on your property. but with the guys I hunt with I dont feel bad resorting to a small buck, and there are actually still nice bucks being shot also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbowhunter27 Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. Everyone has their own standards. Where I hunt there are not many big bucks. I would pay to go out of state and shoot a young 8 point. that would be a trophey for me. You say there are hunters and killers. Well hunting I thought was time to have fun get out and put some food in the freezer. If you are only head hunting. Then you are obviously not doing it for the meat or for management. those are probobly the 2 biggest reason for having a hunting season. Bottom line is a trophey in my eyes is a wasted kill in yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yarddog Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. i will let the issue of north american whitetail mag talk for me. i know ther are places out there that the bucks dont get very big.but here if the are left to grow to 3 to 4 years they are monsters. and most of the locals let them go as we have too many does to take for the freezer ( no good to rattle for bucks as there is to many does so they dont fight for the does)MY FRIEND KILLED A NICE 10 POINT HIS FIRST DEER AND IT WAS A 2 YEAR OLD DEER 3 AT THE MOST BY ITS TEETH.my gripe was guys coming here from far away and taking little bucks and then complaining about the size of what they take. the big ones are here but you most put forth the effert to find them and that does not mean scouting the day before the season comes in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. [ QUOTE ] Shoot what ya want, but dont complain to me when you never shoot a wall hanger!! [/ QUOTE ] I'm totally agree with this statement and on the other hand I am one of those out of state hunters that come up to SE Ohio and bring a few thousand dollars revinew to your benefit. I've taken some small bucks up there and got one P&Y so far, this past year killed a 112 3/8 eight point. I hunt my butt for a big buck the first five days of my hunt, but on the last day it's lungs are going to see the light of day. So, I wouldn't start casting stones at people are putting bread on a lot of Ohioians table. Last report I saw, the non-res. were investing more than a couple of millions dollars a season, sounds like a better trade for you guys on a small buck kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. I'm sitting here reading this post and i'll tell you all right now i Shoot small bucks. Heck, i shot a spiker during regular season, and a 4 point with the muzzleloader. Some of you say shoot does and let the small bucks go. I had no shots at does where i could shoot them. For the Ny region i had a dmp permit they never came into range. So there for i could not shoot does anywhere else. Some of you guys get way too carried away with this deer management factor. Every deer to me is a trophy. I only get out of weekends and our regular season is only 22 days. People are so concerned with "big racks". People get trophys when they're due. Last year i got an 8 point with my bow, and a 9 point during the regular season. But ya know what....You Cant eat the antlers! Like others have said, Till the day someone pays for my tags, bows, guns, my fuel for driving back and forth from hunting, and pays me 3 weeks for vacation so i cant hun everyday i will shoot whatever i want. if Ny gets antler restrictions ill continue hunting legally like i always have and abide by the rules. Sorry if i rambled on, this is just how i feel abouth the issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ahhdanny Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. The trophy is judged by the hunter That takes the deer. If he is happy with a buttton buck as long as it is taken leagally more power to him/her. At times it seems like there are alot of greedy hunters out there. I am not knocking anyone. but statements about letting them walk only to have someone else take them bothers me. We should be happy for any succesful hunter as long as it is done legally and ethically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimPic Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. the way I look at it is I'm out there to hunt--to kill a deer.That's my purpose everytime I go into the deer woods--not to bird watch or nature hike or watch the sunrise.Don't get me wrong-all that stuff is nice but that's not why I'm out there.If a big buck comes into range,great! that's a bonus for me.But if a button buck or any deer comes into range and gives me the shot I want to take-i'm taking it,with absolutely no regrets at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] in the last few years a lot of out of state hunters have started hunting there and they kill the little bucks as they are easy to kill [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] .i know i have went on too long but to end if you are coming here to kill the little ones just do your self a favor stay home and spend your money on your kids or wife we dont need it. [/ QUOTE ] Well, first off in your profile it doesnt say where "here" is. Secondly im sure the same non resident hunters your complaining about are spending much more money on thier NR tags then you are for your resident tags. And third, when they purchase that tag theyre entitled to shoot whatever legal deer they want, not just deer that meet your personal standards.You have the entire season to hunt, they have a few days and have spent a buttload of money to do it.You never mention other local hunters, does everyone in your area hold out for 160 class deer?Ill bet not, its not just nonresidents.Im sure the local busineses would love to hear that these out of state hunters are being encouraged to stay home with thier money and not spend it at the local motels, eating places, gas stations, campgrounds, sporting goods stores etc... [/ QUOTE ] Good post. These topics chap my behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. [ QUOTE ] the way I look at it is I'm out there to hunt--to kill a deer.That's my purpose everytime I go into the deer woods--not to bird watch or nature hike or watch the sunrise.Don't get me wrong-all that stuff is nice but that's not why I'm out there.If a big buck comes into range,great! that's a bonus for me.But if a button buck or any deer comes into range and gives me the shot I want to take-i'm taking it,with absolutely no regrets at all. [/ QUOTE ] Another good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gooder Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. My opinion on this is simple. I get many opportunities to take does for meat. I have in the past taken small bucks but now I will only take a mature buck. I feel the small bucks need the time to grow big. My biggest peeve is when there are posts of huge deer on these forums some people are saying they never get to shoot ones that big or they never get lucky enough to shoot big bucks. Then its some of the same people posting and bragging about the 1.5 or 2.5 year old buck/bucks they shoot. I just don't think they get it. Just my 2 cents. Gooder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. My biggest peeve is the people who pay big dollars, have a guide to lead them by the hand into land never ventured into so they the newbie can shoot a huge deer. Then the newbie explains the hunt like he/she ACTUALLY had something to do with it! What a crock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. LOL if we are talking about pet peeves mine is this... both sides of the issue throwing out the same "all inclusive" statements concerning the other side. I've killed a decent amount of deer in my time. I've been harped on by the trophy hunters because they say I'm too much of a meat hunter, and I've been harped on by meat hunters that say I'm too much of a trophy hunter. And the funny thing is they were both right because they never would look at the whole story, just there side of it. In IL your allowed 2 bucks. I got grilled by some "friends" because I choose when I shoot (or don't sjhoot) something and I will and do pass up alot of young bucks. I've shot some pretty decent bucks over the years and so to them I'm "just a trophy hunter". But like I said I make the choice on what I shoot and have shot a few younger bucks and will continue to do so as I see fit. That's where the other "friends" blast me for being "just a meat hunter". And I get to here that old how everyone that shoots a young buck COMPLAINS about never seeing or getting a chance at a big deer. For the record I've never complained, I've been happy with what I've shot. But no I still here how I should have taken a doe instead of a young buck. But yet they don't care that I try to take 2-3 does early in the season (which I've been pretty successful with), but that doesn't matter if I take 1X or 2X as many does as I do bucks pretty much every year - it just matters that I shot a young buck so the world is going to end. As far as people paying for hunts and then shooting something smaller than you think they should, my only experience is this. I few years back I paid to go hunt with in outfitter in my state (IL). The reason I did this wasn't because the place had bigger deer than where I was hunting or that my chances were greater or that they had a big one tied up and ear marked for my arrow. I went because it was an opportunity to hunt with some friends that I had never met other than here on the forums. I had a great time, learned how many times a certain word can be used in one sentence, ate some great chili and met some really great people that I do consider my friends. So I paid my money and ended up shooting a yearling doe on the last day that I hunted there, needless to say there wasn't alot of meat. But then again if I was just wanted the meat I could have shot the buck that walked by that was a 120 class, or I could have shot the two 130 class bucks that I saw or even the 150 class that I passed on - I would have shot the 170 class 10 point that I almost had in my wheelhouse but that didn't work out. If I wanted the meat I had opportunities for more than I came home with, if I wanted the antlers there was some nice ones I could have took but I spent my money for a different reason and once again that was a choice. In regards to hunting deer I actually am having more fun and enjoyment than I used to. The reason is that I got to the point that I realized that it's up to me and what I want (which will vary) and I don't really care what all the heresayers have to say as I'll never make everyone happy no matter how many catch phrases I recite. I hunt for me and whatever goals I chose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. Good post need2hunt. Going back to the original premise, which was out of staters coming in, paying all of the associated extra costs, and then shooting the first buck they see regardless of size, I'm still confused. It just doesn't make any sense to me WHY they would go to so much time and expense for freezer meat, when they could do it cheaper, easier, and quicker at home. Like I said in my first post, it is definitely legal, and it's certainly ethical, but I have to question the wisdom of going out of state just to put meat on the table. About the only good reason I can see would be if a person lived in a state with limited opportunities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OklaBow712 Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. Have to agree with Michigan Bowhunter here....if your harvest goes to feed people..its a worthy kill...here in Oklahoma unofficial deer season starts on Independance Day. So by the time legal hunters like myself are allowed the opportunity to begin hunting, most of the animals are so spooky you rarely ever see a buck over the 120 range. When opening day of rifle season does start, its WW 3 in the woods and if you dont kill one the first weekend, good luck because after 4 or 5 months of harassment, this seals the deal and you do good to spot a doe here and there... This is one of the reasons I began Bow hunting this year, to get a jump on the crowd, spend more peaceful time in the woods and have a 3 month season.. Sorry if I rambled here, but to me a legally harvested whitetail is a trophy if thats what you went in the woods for.. be it a doe, young buck or a 160 + wall hanger.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. [ QUOTE ] LOL if we are talking about pet peeves mine is this... both sides of the issue throwing out the same "all inclusive" statements concerning the other side. I've killed a decent amount of deer in my time. I've been harped on by the trophy hunters because they say I'm too much of a meat hunter, and I've been harped on by meat hunters that say I'm too much of a trophy hunter. And the funny thing is they were both right because they never would look at the whole story, just there side of it. In IL your allowed 2 bucks. I got grilled by some "friends" because I choose when I shoot (or don't sjhoot) something and I will and do pass up alot of young bucks. I've shot some pretty decent bucks over the years and so to them I'm "just a trophy hunter". But like I said I make the choice on what I shoot and have shot a few younger bucks and will continue to do so as I see fit. That's where the other "friends" blast me for being "just a meat hunter". And I get to here that old how everyone that shoots a young buck COMPLAINS about never seeing or getting a chance at a big deer. For the record I've never complained, I've been happy with what I've shot. But no I still here how I should have taken a doe instead of a young buck. But yet they don't care that I try to take 2-3 does early in the season (which I've been pretty successful with), but that doesn't matter if I take 1X or 2X as many does as I do bucks pretty much every year - it just matters that I shot a young buck so the world is going to end. As far as people paying for hunts and then shooting something smaller than you think they should, my only experience is this. I few years back I paid to go hunt with in outfitter in my state (IL). The reason I did this wasn't because the place had bigger deer than where I was hunting or that my chances were greater or that they had a big one tied up and ear marked for my arrow. I went because it was an opportunity to hunt with some friends that I had never met other than here on the forums. I had a great time, learned how many times a certain word can be used in one sentence, ate some great chili and met some really great people that I do consider my friends. So I paid my money and ended up shooting a yearling doe on the last day that I hunted there, needless to say there wasn't alot of meat. But then again if I was just wanted the meat I could have shot the buck that walked by that was a 120 class, or I could have shot the two 130 class bucks that I saw or even the 150 class that I passed on - I would have shot the 170 class 10 point that I almost had in my wheelhouse but that didn't work out. If I wanted the meat I had opportunities for more than I came home with, if I wanted the antlers there was some nice ones I could have took but I spent my money for a different reason and once again that was a choice. In regards to hunting deer I actually am having more fun and enjoyment than I used to. The reason is that I got to the point that I realized that it's up to me and what I want (which will vary) and I don't really care what all the heresayers have to say as I'll never make everyone happy no matter how many catch phrases I recite. I hunt for me and whatever goals I chose. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think it can be said any better than this... THANKS Gary.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hunter36 Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. I believe it is an individuals choice as to what animal they harvest. If you have a large amount of private land to manage then set your own rules. If you dont have the land it takes your sort of out of luck. I agree that non-residents pay alot of money to hunt out of state and i believe they have the right to shoot whatever they want. If they complain about not shooting big deer who cares. I went to N.D. this year and shot an 8pt that scored 92 inches. If anybody gave me crap about that Id tell them to go play on the high-way. It's my tag my hunt and my choice. And dont make it into a non-resident thing, i know plenty of in state guys that do it to. Why do some of us complain about other hunters reasons and methods when they are legal? If you dont like what they are sayin or doin dont listen and dont participate!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yarddog Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Re: taking young bucks. well to clear a few things up here is southern ohio lawrence county. there is no motels here for the hunters to stay in and spend there money! so they camp out in the national forest and pay no fees. and as for the non resident hunting lic it is around 100 but the deer tag cost the same as i pay! in ohio we have a week long gun season and a 4 day muzzle loader season. and all the rest is bow season.you can only take one buck and 2 does for a total of 3 deer. i have a wife and 3 kids and we can eat 3 deer a year as we do every year!i used to kill any deer that walked in front of me but i live close to west virgina and kentuckey and see how there season is done and the fact that they do not have very many big deer. and then i took my first record book deer and it all changed for me i then relized what a great thing we have here. and dont want to see it go away as i can remember a time when if you sean a buck you were luckey. i dont care if you are from out of state but at least give the little bucks a chance to grow up and be the buck of a life time for some body as i have taken a few big bucks and if i die right now i am happy of the deer i have taken but you know what i am just as happy of the deer i have passed up in hopes of meeting another day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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