Buck forage oats or forage oats?

[Randy]

Is there any difference other than price? I've used both with excellent results.

[dogdoc]

Re: Buck forage oats or forage oats?

i do believe the BFOs are suppose to be a little more cold tolerant than other forage type oats. I don't spend the extra bucks for the BFO--just the plain mill oats for me and the deer don't seem to mind.

[LETMGROW]

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I, like randy live in a more northern climate. Would the extra dollars be well spent? Or just a waste?

[Randy]

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i do believe the BFOs are suppose to be a little more cold tolerant than other forage type oats. I don't spend the extra bucks for the BFO--just the plain mill oats for me and the deer don't seem to mind.

[/ QUOTE ]Our mill oats are still green, and the deer are still eating them. Does one have better proteins and minerals than the other?

[dogdoc]

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i do believe the BFOs are suppose to be a little more cold tolerant than other forage type oats. I don't spend the extra bucks for the BFO--just the plain mill oats for me and the deer don't seem to mind.

[/ QUOTE ]Our mill oats are still green, and the deer are still eating them. Does one have better proteins and minerals than the other?

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I don't believe so.

[Guest luckyman4]

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I, like randy live in a more northern climate. Would the extra dollars be well spent? Or just a waste?

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Lynn, I planted Buck Forage Oats 2 years ago in Late August and by bow season the deer were LOVING them. They stayed green through the end of deer season as I recall, but by spring they were dead. I don't know if regular oats would have lasted as long.

If you want a grain that will last through winter, I'd recommend winter rye; no personal experience hunting over it but colleagues and farmers I know say the deer love it. I think rye is much cheaper, too.

[Randy]

Re: Buck forage oats or forage oats?

We,ve used the rye, It works well but, not as good as the oats.

[outdoorsmen1]

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i would go with BFO, i used them last year, then worked pretty well..Deer ate them before they could get up, and worked well in the cold.

[john butler]

I originated and own Buck Forage.

Most if not all oats produce forage and are therefore forage oats.

There is no such thing as Buck oats, Field Oats , or Forage oats.

These terms are generally lies that have been used to trick and cheat unsuspecting customers into planting the sorriest cheap oats crooked companies can buy.

Almost all food plotoats now being sold and represented as winter-hardy, sweeter, etc. are in fact the cheapest SPRING OATS to be found on the commodity market.

DON'T CONFUSE WINTER OATS WITH SPRING OATS!!!!!!!

SPRING OATS ARE FROM THE NORTH AND ARE A WARM SEASON CROP. NO HONEST SEEDSMAN WOULD EVER SUGGEST PLANTING SPRING OATS IN THE FALL.

HOWEVER, IN THE FOOD PLOT BUSINESS THERE ARE FEW PROFESSIONAL SEEDSMEN. Many food plot companies are scam operators that buy junk, cheap common varieties, put them in shiny bag and blantly lie to cheat anyone they can out of their money. The box stores are full of these scam products, I beleive because their buyers know little to nothing about seed or what deer eat. Much of the junk seed in box stores is several years old as the consumer is cheated and finds the truth.

I just left a box store that was selling mislabeled spring oats. It was called oatrageous on the lable and on the seed tag.

This seed is mislabled and in violation of the Federal Seed Laws. There is no such variety as oatrageous!!!! This is a lie straight up.

Also the tag said origin is South Dakota. South Dakota grows spring oats. The bag says these are true forage oats. Big deal, every piece of vegation on earth is also forage. Do they want you to think you are getting Buck Forage on the crap market? I believe so!

Spring oats cannot tolerate frost. Is there anyone stupid enough to plant summer crops in the cold season on purpose. My opinion is lieing to trick someone to plant summer crops in the fall is clear fraud by all involved. Fraud is a felony!. How many millions has this already cost unsuspecting consumers.

Buck Forage varieties are among the most winter tolerant WINTER oats ever developed in HISTORY anywhere On EARTH! They stay green down as low as 10 degrees. Compare this to DOA at 25 or so for spring oats that dishonest cos. lie to you about.

There is no other oat that comes close to Buck Forage at any price.

Buck Forage has a suit against Evolved for false advertising that is in the process of being filed. You can read about this on our site Buck Forage .com. We pride ourselves with allowing the truth to sell our seed.

The basis of the suit is the fact they claim in writing that their brand BuckNOats is winter-hardy and sweeter than other oats.

FACT We have sent labels to the Feds and a complaint that many companies are lying about spring oats being winter hardy.. Since they started this, they have used Jerry, Cayuse, and Magnum Oats!!!!! All of these are spring oats and are WARM season crops.

Where I come from this is called lying. Only a paid attorney could claim spring oats are winter-hardy!!

If you want facts about food plots, then please come to our site. Every bit of it can be backed up and Dr. Kroll approves all of it BEFORE it goes up with his scientific testing.

Dr. Kroll is our tester and endorser. We do not use clothing salesmen or comedians for testing or endorsements. To do so insults the buyer.

Please pass this on if you are interested in food plot seed that is sold with integrity.

Our phone is 800-299-6287. We answer it all day and don't have to lie to sell our seed. Many competitors have to cut our price and lie to get business from us.

Finally, The Federal Trade Commission is paid by we taxpayers to stop false and misleading advertising.. Please contact them and help us get truthful advertising in the food plot business. The food plot industry is being overwhelmed with false advertising of many other types. We need help to survive it.

JOHN Butler

President

Buck Forage

[john butler]

Forage Oats is a general term used to confuse the hunter into beleivingall oats are the same.

Oats are just like peppers. They are billions of different possible varieties made possible with a simple cross.

All peppers are not the same. If you don't beleive it then bite a habanaro and then compare it to a bell pepper.

This is an example of differences in variety in an extreme way. Oats too, have extreme differences.

Buck Forage, for example is among the top two or three most winter-hardy oat varieties ever developed.

It will stay green longer than virtually any other oat ever developed.

If you are interested in attraction then consider this. Do you want to hunt over the most highly preferred variety that Dr. Kroll has ever tested or would you prefer to buy some cheap feed or mill oats that are most likely SPRING oats that will die with the first frost?

I wish we could sell, breed,educate, advertise,etc. and sell as cheap as feed or mill oats.

Do you begin to see the advantage and difference?

There are plenty of really bad seed products on the market very cheap. I suspect we will always be the highest as long as we try to improve and give you our best effort.

There is no free ride.

John Butler

BuckForage

[john butler]

Mill oats?

Does nayone know what a mill oat is?

Answer. Oatmeal

Please see my other information. It describes Spring Oats, which represent the overwhelming majority of all feed, or mill oats.

We hate to see anyone tricked into planting spring oats in the fall to attract deer becuuse that person will probably never plant oats for deer again.

John Butler

[john butler]

Cereal Rye, Oats, Wheat and Barley are all in the small grain family.

They have similar nutrition when they emerge. This can change rapidly.

Rye stays green and grows at a lower temperature. However it also gets tough much earlier producing stringy tough forage. We consider rye the least preferred of the group by deer because of the palatability.

Oats are the least cold tolerant but produce the most tender or palatable forage for deer and almost anything with a hoof.

There are extreme differences in oats for preference that are not understood scientifically. Buck Forage has provided funding to try to improve upon the preference and winter-hardiness of oats, the most preferred cool season deer forage, to Dr. Harrison at LSU and Dr. Kroll at Stephen F. Austin State University.

Testing has been conducted in Michigan, Wisconsin, Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Georgia.

As a rule of thumb, less winter hardy oats lose their appeal first. This probably relates to how fast it grows and how fast the forage begins to toughen up. Spring oats have no winter hardiness and should never be included in any cool season testing or plot program.

To date, this work has produced the best winter hardiness in commercial varieties of any winter oat and prference for certain varieties owned by Buck Forage that exceeds preference for any known oat variety on the market.

There are many companies that claim research is being conducted on specific plants for deer. However the work done by Dr. Kroll and Dr. Harrison is the only scientific research we know of for deer food plots. Field testors are not legally considered to be scientific by our courts.

Dr. Kroll, Dr. Harrison, and Buck Forage conduct a public field day every spring to showcase this information. Videos of this will appear on the Buck Forage web site in the near future.

We encourage you to check our site, buckforage.com, to review the information as it becomes available. We welcome you to attend or contact us with any question.

If anyone out there can find any real research done by others, we would appreciate seeing a copy.

John Butler

800-299-6287

[Buckeyenut]

I fully endorse Buck Forage Products. We have tried Biologic, Evolved Habitats, Antler King, and Buck Forage Products. We have had much greater success with Buck Forage Oats and Chicory as far as germination, growth, and deer usage! Compared to all of the money that I spend on hunting each year- there is simply NO WAY that I am going to try and save a few pennies on a cheap foot plot seed! BFP are simply the best products my group has ever used!

[LETMGROW]

I fully endorse Buck Forage Products. We have tried Biologic, Evolved Habitats, Antler King, and Buck Forage Products. We have had much greater success with Buck Forage Oats and Chicory as far as germination, growth, and deer usage! Compared to all of the money that I spend on hunting each year- there is simply NO WAY that I am going to try and save a few pennies on a cheap foot plot seed! BFP are simply the best products my group has ever used!

I know I am going to get critizied for this but here goes anyway.

I have been looking at various seed for a planting and really considered BFO.

However, I am NOT impressed at all with the derogatory remarks and strong sell tactics this company is using on this forum. If they have a better product, so be it. Tell us about it in a gentlemanly way and we will listen. To run anyone else down I feel is unnecessary.

If BFO is an advertiser [ PAID ] on the Realtree website they could refer us to an ad touting the good points of their product. If not, I am not impresed with their attitude at all.

Good product or not, I like to do business with people who respect the industry as a whole and don't run down the competition.

Give us the good points and let us decide.

Lynn

[Buckeyenut]

I know I am going to get critizied for this but here goes anyway.

I have been looking at various seed for a planting and really considered BFO.

However, I am NOT impressed at all with the derogatory remarks and strong sell tactics this company is using on this forum. If they have a better product, so be it. Tell us about it in a gentlemanly way and we will listen. To run anyone else down I feel is unnecessary.

If BFO is an advertiser [ PAID ] on the Realtree website they could refer us to an ad touting the good points of their product. If not, I am not impresed with their attitude at all.

Good product or not, I like to do business with people who respect the industry as a whole and don't run down the competition.

Give us the good points and let us decide.

Lynn

To each their own. I, however, just want to grow (and ultimately kill) big whitetails and BFO is great stuff for doing just that! He definitely could have handled the competition product claims differently, but it will not deter me from using or recommending the BFO products.