coles Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 i'm writing a paper on deer hunting in the midwest and i just found at iowaoutdoorsmagazine.com that iowa allows party hunting and it allows someone in the party to tag a deer that was shot by someone in else in the party as long as it is within 15 mins and before the deer is moved. i dont understand this. i dont think that should be called hunting. in my opinion that is called shooting and if you just want to shoot something go to the rifle range with some old fruit. i have nothing against iowa and i would love to hunt the huge bucks they have running around. i was just shocked to see that they allow this to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkillemquick Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: i am speechless! We allow it here in Ontario and I love it! We are allowed only one tag per person in most areas, unlike some states that allow more than one tag, It ussually evens out, some years someone uses your tag and in other years you use their's. Maybe I am just so used to this law I don't see the problem with it! What is your biggest concern with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Clay008 Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: i am speechless! I think that would be a great way to hunt. It almost encourages taking a buddy when hunting which is good. Plus it helps everyone use their tags. In VA we get a bunch of tags but, it seems like other states only get one or two tags a year. So in a state were you only get one or two tags it is probably a good thing to be allowed to share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles Posted December 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: i am speechless! i guess i have always been taught that it is against the law to shoot someone else's deer and it is in montana where i have hunted all my life. i dont really like the idea of someone shooting a deer and i have to put my tag on it. i guess if you get a bunch of tags it would be ok but here we get one buck tag and one doe tag so i guess im kind of selfish when it comes to shooting "my" deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zemmer18 Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: i am speechless! Well NY used have a system a while back where Doe permits were called party permits. Two hunters had to be named on the permit in order to get one, and either hunter could take the deer if I am not mistaken. I was pretty young back then but I remember my Father, Grandfather and Uncle's used to get them. 1 doe allowed but 2 hunters on the same tag. Now you get your own doe permit(s) in NY and you can sign over 2 to another hunter. So this year I applied for 2 permits and got them. If a buddy of mine got 2 as well and he could no longer hnt for the year, he can sign them over to me and I can fill them legally. Each state has it's own rules and I'm sure you'd be surprised at some of the oddities that go on out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birddog Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: i am speechless! Be careful on how you judge: I have hunted, ND, MN Mt. and others. And MN allows party hunting which isn't all bad. This year I tagged a doe that a buddy shot for me. We hunted one evening and I asked him to shoot a doe if he had a chance, he shot it, I walked over and tagged the deer. I got the meat, I used my tag and he was in the right place/right time to get me the meat. We only get one buck tag here, and it is pretty coveted. It would have to be a pretty big buck for me to let a buddy use my buck tag, kinda a un-written rule, is once your buck tag is gone, you are done unless it truly is a buck of a lifetime and it must be bigger than the buck you tagged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDRUNNER Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: i am speechless! Illinois doesn't allow it either,but I don't see what the big deal is.It would give someone that doesn't regularly get a deer a chance to at least use their tag,but on the other hand I don't want someone else to fill mine,but this is something that could be worked out within your hunting party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetailtrax Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: i am speechless! This system seems to work in states and provinces where a hunter can buy multiple buck tags or where hunting is needed to maintain healthy deer herd size. In Montana we get one buck tag and like heck if I'm gonna give someone my tag for a deer they shot and never would I consider shooting a deer and then tagging it with someone elses. It does go on illegally here in Montana though all the time - there are people who really don't care to hunt, but want the meat and so they allow someone else to shoot a deer and then come get their tag. Even more shocking to me though, are some of the other things allowed in other states - such as little or no hunter orange required and allowing 6 year kids to hunt big game. I'm raising three boys and not a one of them was ready to safely handle a big game rifle at age 6 - I personally don't know a child that age that is ready, but many states allow it. Pretty wild! I believe the laws and regulations in Montana are some the safest and most ethically and morally responsible regulations in the U.S. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sskybnd Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: i am speechless! that sounds like that would be a pretty good deal, someone being able to ues each others tag, and i think in a situaution like thats all fine for some one that might be hanicaped, that realy can't hunt presay to beable to have some meat. i could just amagin my hunting buddy calling me on the walkie, saying hay rob got 5 doe's over here want me to kill one for you. or if my buddy got hurt and couldnt hunt the rest of the year, that would be great. ark dont have anything like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: i am speechless! being from iowa i hunted this way most of my life. the only problem i have is it is about 15 guys pushing a timber and posters on the outside and ends shooting the ones that run out. very dangerous way to hunt in my opinion, lots of possibilities for cross fire! i have been zinged several times by slugs and it makes the hair stand up on the back of your neck!! it just seemed less ethical to me so a few others that felt the same way got muzzleloaders and we hunt pretty much the way we bowhunt. i geuss a just appreciate that style of hunting alot more. the driving the deer to a slaughter is just not my cup of tea. alot of my friends hunt this way and they do have a great time, alot of comrodery(spelling)! to each their own i geuss. its not up to me to say whats right or not i just don't prefer to do it anymore. JMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles Posted December 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: i am speechless! i am not judging anything. its just something that i have always been told not to do and thought it was illegal but ill just stick to shooting my own deer. if i am not capable of matching whits with a deer and be able to be in the right spot at the right time to shoot it then that is how it goes. i just dont want anyone else to shoot my deer. but i guess i dont have to worry about that seeing how its illegal here. im not saying all of you are not capable. i know fully that every single person in here is. thats just how i view it for me. everyone is entitled to have their own opinion right? there is just soo many ways that it could and would get out of hand. so who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaskMan Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: i am speechless! I won't say much here except Very well put Whitetailtrax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultratec1 Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: i am speechless! [ QUOTE ] This system seems to work in states and provinces where a hunter can buy multiple buck tags or where hunting is needed to maintain healthy deer herd size. In Montana we get one buck tag and like heck if I'm gonna give someone my tag for a deer they shot and never would I consider shooting a deer and then tagging it with someone elses. It does go on illegally here in Montana though all the time - there are people who really don't care to hunt, but want the meat and so they allow someone else to shoot a deer and then come get their tag. Even more shocking to me though, are some of the other things allowed in other states - such as little or no hunter orange required and allowing 6 year kids to hunt big game. I'm raising three boys and not a one of them was ready to safely handle a big game rifle at age 6 - I personally don't know a child that age that is ready, but many states allow it. Pretty wild! I believe the laws and regulations in Montana are some the safest and most ethically and morally responsible regulations in the U.S. Just my opinion. [/ QUOTE ] I'am very very pleased to see that Iowa has now started to change their age laws. My buddy took his 6yr old boy out hunting. Hunter (little boy's name) smoked a beautiful 8pt. Grosses somewhere around 130. I would be willing to make a bet that he can shoot that muzzleloader just as well as others on this site. He has practiced all summer long and is even better then most guys I know around here. Iowa use to have a age limit of 12yrs old. I think that is totally wrong. By the time they get to that age they have other interests than hunting. If people teach their kids the proper ways and take them out and shoot and understand the importance of safety then I don't think that ther should be an age limit anywhere. Oh by the way he SMOKED that buck at 70 yrds double lung shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: i am speechless! [ QUOTE ] i am not judging anything. its just something that i have always been told not to do and thought it was illegal but ill just stick to shooting my own deer. [/ QUOTE ] What if you cannot shoot a deer? Let's say you break your leg or you are handicapped for a few years. It would be nice if someone you know could go out and use your tag to get you some fresh venison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: i am speechless! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i am not judging anything. its just something that i have always been told not to do and thought it was illegal but ill just stick to shooting my own deer. [/ QUOTE ] What if you cannot shoot a deer? Let's say you break your leg or you are handicapped for a few years. It would be nice if someone you know could go out and use your tag to get you some fresh venison. [/ QUOTE ] that doesn't work here ranger. you have to be in the hunting party. you can't just by a tag and give it to someone else. in iowa having anothers tag in your possesion is illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2008 Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: i am speechless! It is allowed in Minnesota too. It is a great thing actually. Some people want tags to get filled. Plus its only for party hunting. If 1 guy in your party shoots two deer and there are 5 of you then you have filled 2 tags in your party and everyone can still continue hunting instead of quiting, because you can fill each others tags. You are basically all helping each other get deer and meat. In my party we share the meat we get from deer. Split it up evenly between all 5 of us. I can understand why it is that way in Montana though. I just went out there 2 weeks ago and had a blast. Filled my Mule Deer Antlerless Tag and Whitetail Antlerless tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: i am speechless! [ QUOTE ] i am not judging anything. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, you are: [ QUOTE ] i dont think that should be called hunting. in my opinion that is called shooting and if you just want to shoot something go to the rifle range with some old fruit. [/ QUOTE ] People do stuff different from where you live. Believe it or not, ways of hunting that you feel are wrong are legal and actually traditions in many other places. Relax and please support legal forms of hunting that happen to be different from the way you do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: i am speechless! [ QUOTE ] I'am very very pleased to see that Iowa has now started to change their age laws. My buddy took his 6yr old boy out hunting. Hunter (little boy's name) smoked a beautiful 8pt. Grosses somewhere around 130. I would be willing to make a bet that he can shoot that muzzleloader just as well as others on this site. He has practiced all summer long and is even better then most guys I know around here. [/ QUOTE ] Congrats to this young boy, but he's certainly the exception to most 6 year olds. My son couldn't handle a rifle safely until he was 10...his arms just weren't long enough. I feel you can't make laws for an exceptional few, but laws must be safe for the average 6 year old. Of course, I could be wrong..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles Posted December 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Re: i am speechless! im not not supporting it. i understand it may be a tradition but im jsut saying i wont do it cuz i was brought up that way. i guess more power to you if you can shoot someone elses deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Re: i am speechless! [ QUOTE ] i am not judging anything. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] im not not supporting it. i understand it may be a tradition but im jsut saying i wont do it cuz i was brought up that way. i guess more power to you if you can shoot someone elses deer. [/ QUOTE ] That sure sounds pretty judgemental to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2008 Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Re: i am speechless! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i am not judging anything. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] im not not supporting it. i understand it may be a tradition but im jsut saying i wont do it cuz i was brought up that way. i guess more power to you if you can shoot someone elses deer. [/ QUOTE ] That sure sounds pretty judgemental to me. [/ QUOTE ] I have to agree sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mathews_Pa_Bowhunter Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Re: i am speechless! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i am not judging anything. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, you are: [ QUOTE ] i dont think that should be called hunting. in my opinion that is called shooting and if you just want to shoot something go to the rifle range with some old fruit. [/ QUOTE ] People do stuff different from where you live. Believe it or not, ways of hunting that you feel are wrong are legal and actually traditions in many other places. Relax and please support legal forms of hunting that happen to be different from the way you do it. [/ QUOTE ] I AGREE FINN, GREAT POINT SUPPORT LEGAL FORMS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Re: i am speechless! Wow...where are all you support friendly folks when the issue comes up about hunting deer with dogs or driving for deer or using crossbows during archery season...etc.... I too think its wierd...growing up and hunting in PA, we aren't allowed to tag someone else's deer. Not judging and saying its wrong...just seems wierd why anyone would "want" someone else to use their tag to tag a deer they didn't shoot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Re: i am speechless! WI law states that you must be within yelling distance of the other party. I believe it is meant for doing deer drives and "being legal" to let your kids shoot your deer for you. My dad is 70 and doesn't care to shoot a deer anymore. He buys a tag and takes out the video camera. He would rather see me or my little brother shoot one because we get more excited about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianxt Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Re: i am speechless! Lets say there is two people in the group.They are hunting on same track of land but different Stands.One guy shoots two bucks one for him and his partner .Just minutes later the other guy kills a buck not Knowing his partner all ready killed one.What do you do in this situation.Here in Ky you cant tag someone else deer.Just Wonderning I had never heard of this till now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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