Tony Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 after finding out that aiming is all concentration last year, i am ahead of the game this year. i found out that the pin or dot DOES NOT have to be in the center of the spot for the arrow to go into the center. by focusing all your attention on just the center of the spot you want to hit. its like you willed it into the center. if your having problems this year and just cant seem to get the pin to slow down work on just concentrating on the spot and to heck with where the pin or dot goes. you know practice is the time to find out what works and what doesnt. work on that concentaion and i think you will get ahead of your game this year. Shoot Strong Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 Re: aiming is all concentration Just last year you figured that out? Oh come on Tony! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Re: aiming is all concentration Good info Tony. Theyve been trying to get me to do that forever takes time to get use to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Re: aiming is all concentration Tony I agree concentration is a big key of shooting, but willing something into a spot is a little beyond me. If I could do that, I would take up meditation and not practice my shooting at all and take my pins off. That's just what I'm hearing on this and I'm NOT try to insult you or anything. I can agree on the concentrating on the spot but subconsciously you are looking at the pin. If we take the pin out of the factor how are we supposed to hit out target precise, I do practice not aiming and just holding and releaseing to pick up on form issue's of holding and follow through's. I don't know, maybe I'm missing something into what you trying to get at and like I said, I'm not trying to insult you in any way on this. Just trying to follow what you getting at with it. Let me try and explain what I'm seeing what your saying, I'm pictureing you shooting in some Zin state and wodding a bunch of arrows together by looking at or beyond the target. Is this a Neo moment from the Matrix of being the spoon? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
struttinhoyt Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 Re: aiming is all concentration totally agree with ya on this tony..... just let the shot happen..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 Re: aiming is all concentration I know what you mean..used to shoot match .22 and it is all in the timing. The difficult thing is not getting target panic, and punching the trigger before you are on the bullseye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hunter36 Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 Re: aiming is all concentration I'm not in competitive archery but in hunting and target shooting i have also made the change from switching in between my pins and the target trying to figure out when to realse my arrow, to almost staring at where i want the arrow to go. Straight Shooter understand your ? but since i tried this i've been shooting alot better. I also shoot with both eyes open. Good Tip- Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WisconsinArcher Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 Re: aiming is all concentration I agree with Tony. So many times I know my pin is not center, but the arrow goes there. A few years back I finally got comfortable (confidence) at longer yardages, and let me tell you the mental part can return big dividens with shooting. I still wonder why my autopilot shoots better than myself, even if im right on. I like to think that if you believe in something you can make it happen. Like shooting a 300 Not there yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 Re: aiming is all concentration Tony has a good point on this and you mentioned about shooting with both eyes open. That is something I have never been able to do and have tried this on several occassions over the years. I've ben shooting competitvely for 14 year now and watched lots of shooters do this. I know most of the top shooters do shoot with both eyes open. i guess that part of willing it in and loosing sight of the pin. With one eye it's not going to stray from the vision of the pin. Another reason I couldn't really grsp what Tony was sayig about loosing the pin on the target. Is I use the pin so to speak to much my release go off. I don't even concentrate on the release at all, that is secondary to me. When my pin is on it's mark the release go off. If that makes any sense. So, I can't loose focus of the pin. That is the point I was trying to get at in my first post, but I guess it come out wrong. Sorry Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinwheel5 Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 Re: aiming is all concentration No one, and I no one holds on the center all the time. If they did they would be a millionaire shooting a bow. Everyone that has ever shot a bow has the pin moving. I shoot quite a bit with one of Mathews top pros and I swear his stabilzer is moving before and during release. But, his arrows always find the center. He averages 59.5 x's. What he can do that no mere mortal can do is not worry about it and trust his form. I have done it before, not often or I would shoot pro, but it has happened on occasion. It is in fact a Zen like experience. You stare a hole at the center of the center of the target and your arrow finds it way there. As long as your pin is close trust your form. You have done it before (hit dead center effortlessly) and you can do it again. It is like opening a door. You have done it before, you don't have to stop and think about it, you just do it. Same with shooting. You can't think about the pin, you just concentrate on the center and shoot the dang thing. That is why archery is 95% mental. The strongest archers are not always the best athlete. If that was the case some steroid freak would out shoot everyone. Concentrate grasshopper, concentrate. You don't have to aim your car going down the road do you? You don't pick a spot to drive to until you reach the next curve and then pick another one. You just do it (pardon me Nike) and stare at where you want the car to go. Do you ever have to think about pushing in a clutch? I doubt it. You just drive the car. Ever get to work and not have any memory of the trip there? I have driven the same way to work for 5 years every morning and most of the time I never remember the trip. I am mostly thinking of the day ahead, or the day before, or why my wife is mad at me, or my kids grades, etc., etc,. The point is that I trust my driving and the route I am comfortable with. Same thing in archery Shoot enough with your conscience mind until you can trust it. There is no way to do it without true back-tension. I know when I do it, you will too. It will be an experience you will want to duplicate. The release goes off as if someone else pulled the trigger. All you was doing was stare at the center of the center. Even if you were out of the X when the release broke your arrow found the center. Zen like? Yep! About twenty years ago Lee Trevino was on a hot streak. He won several PGA tournaments in a row due mostly to his putting. He was so hot that a popular magazine asked him to write an article on his putting stroke. After completing the article his streak ended due mostly to his cold putting. He still to this day blames writing the article on killing his streak. The article made him think about it, so instead of trusting it he picked it apart until it was useless. Michael Jordan says that when he was playing his best it was effortless. He did not have to think about when to release the ball, how much back spin to put on it, how high to jump, etc., he just did it. Understand? The examples I just used are rare. There are not many MJ's or Trevinos. Same as there are not many Hopkins or Ulmers, or Likens. They are the top of the field and probably won't be matched. So don't get down on your self when you don't hit a 20 foot downhill putt, hit the winning three pointer in church league, or shoot a five when a ten would have won it. That is why we are not pros. Only a few can do it consistantly and none of us are it. But, we occasionally can do it. I have hit half court shots, sank 35 downhill putts, hit the twelve to win, and have shot my share of 300 indoor rounds. That is why I keep playing. Have fun, trust your form and for heavens sake, just shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 Re: aiming is all concentration Great reply Pin-I was just takling with a long time tournament buddy about shooting. This applies to what you and Tony have said and I guess I've been in that Zen like state on a course busting those 12's and shooting indoors on my 300 nights. Thinking back to these shoots on those days where it wsa like tunnel vision seeing the X or the 12 ring. They looked as though there was nothing else on the target and didn't matter where the pin was aton it, it found it's way there. That is why I keep doing it as well. Great shooting guys and Happy Holidays! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Re: aiming is all concentration sorry im a little late back to you all and good responces guys.. there are a lot of guys going to scopes that have no pin or dot at all. the new thing is a scope with a center part thats 6x and the outer lens is 2 X. this allows a shooter to see nothing but the center of the target. i know of several shooters that use no pin or dot at all for indoor target and outdoor target. they line up the peep and then the scope housing and the center of the round target. by lining up all these circles inside each other, it is very possible to be extremely accurate. theres just so many differant types of aiming for so many people. i just listed one way thats working for me. i dont know if the no pin or dot would work for 3D. since theres no obvious circle to see that you can lineup with your peep and scope housing. and yes after all these years it wasnt until last year that i figured out i was supposed to be completely concentrating on the center of the spot i wanted to hit. i had heard it so many times from people, but i guess i never really understood what it meant. kinda like back tension. untill you actually do it, do you really know what its feels like. so i guess i shoud ask, are you doing what your supposed to be doing or just what you think your doing ? Shoot Strong Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Re: aiming is all concentration I guess I'm a thining do-er! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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