Straight Shooter Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Re: Deer Dogging?? I know it's different styles of hunting and if it's legal in that state to do, hunters are going to do. I've never done it, but I don't condon people who do. yes, it might disrupt my hunting area for a while, but hey, it happens even with people walking through the woods. Grouse season is in during deer season and hunters are running their dogs for birds, is that any different than a deer dog running through the woods? Granted they are chasing deer, but it's still a dog running every where. Let it lie! Hunters are going to hunt by there legal means of the states laws whether we like them or not. It's just something we've all got to live with as HUNTERS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Re: Deer Dogging?? I should have just answered the first question and said "No" and left it at that. It's not the 1st time this subject has come up. And the 1st question on the 1st post usually stirs this stuff up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Re: Deer Dogging?? Yep! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Re: Deer Dogging?? I guess what confuses me is why its ok to hunt certain animals one way and not the next? Ok...is it ok to hunt rabbits with a dog? Of course it is...almost everyone would be ok with that. Is it ok to hunt deer with dogs? Some are ok with it...but alot get upset. Is the deer's life more deserving than a rabbit's? A duck must be shot in the air...but a turkey shouldn't be shot in the air...it should be called as close as posible????? Its ok to tree a coon with a dog at night and shoot it...but not ok to tree a bear with a dog and shoot it????? Its ok to catch bass out of a small farm pond...but not ok to shoot an animal inside a fence????? We could go on and on with these seniero's but the bottom line is... We all were raised and taught different styles of hunting...that doesn't make someone elses way wrong (within the law of course). Killing one of Gods creatures deserves respect reguardless how it was done. In Gods eyes...a deer's life isn't any more valuable than a rabbits. Please...lets not slam another hunters way of hunting...lets leave that to the anti's. If you don't agree with the way they killed...fine, congrat them on their kill and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Re: Deer Dogging?? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Thank God its not legal here in Oklahoma [/ QUOTE ] amen [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Well, I am thankful that it is not legal here, but don't mean that in any way whatsoever as a slam towards the hunter who does partake in this type of activity where it is legal. Would seriously doubt that Todd intended his opinion here to in any way be taken as a slam either. Guess my idea of a slam or bashing the hunter here would have been more so to say that he was unethical or in some way wrong for participating in this type of hunting, but never read that into it. Oh well everyone has differing opinions. This topic has come up in here many times and have seen some pretty ugly comments in the past, don't think the comments made here are anywhere remotely close to those that I considered bashing. One of the other hot ones has been baiting and food plots and how some don't think hunters who utilize them are ethical. While those hunters are entitled their opinions too, we dont all necessarily agree, sometimes not agreeing is not meant as a slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sskybnd Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Re: Deer Dogging?? con grats on the deer, ive hunted all ways dogs, people drives, and i think if its legal to hunt with dogs than i say go for it, but like others have said its a matter to what you feel about it, puplic property is fine or if you have your own land put the ones that allow there dogs to run on some ones elses land isnt right, and if its on puplic land it could get messy, we hunted in va one year on puplic land and they were runnings dogs well we shot a big 6 and when the dog owners came to get the dogs they tried to take our deer saying it was there dogs that were runnning it, long story short they did take our deer but the gamewarden got it back for us and told them that the dogs were only there to get the deer moving and they didnt know where any one would be in the woods, so i rely dont have any thing to say about one way or the other as long as the doge are running on puplic land and the dog owners understand that any deer shot is fair game to anyone useing the land also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Re: Deer Dogging?? [ QUOTE ] I guess what confuses me is why its ok to hunt certain animals one way and not the next? Ok...is it ok to hunt rabbits with a dog? Of course it is...almost everyone would be ok with that. Is it ok to hunt deer with dogs? Some are ok with it...but alot get upset. Is the deer's life more deserving than a rabbit's? A duck must be shot in the air...but a turkey shouldn't be shot in the air...it should be called as close as posible????? Its ok to tree a coon with a dog at night and shoot it...but not ok to tree a bear with a dog and shoot it????? Its ok to catch bass out of a small farm pond...but not ok to shoot an animal inside a fence????? We could go on and on with these seniero's but the bottom line is... We all were raised and taught different styles of hunting...that doesn't make someone elses way wrong (within the law of course). Killing one of Gods creatures deserves respect reguardless how it was done. In Gods eyes...a deer's life isn't any more valuable than a rabbits. Please...lets not slam another hunters way of hunting...lets leave that to the anti's. If you don't agree with the way they killed...fine, congrat them on their kill and move on. [/ QUOTE ]Good post snapper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Re: Deer Dogging?? Well said snapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAstringking Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Re: Deer Dogging?? i think snapper hit the nail on the head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathcoerracin Posted December 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Re: Deer Dogging?? does it really matter HOW you kill it?? Humm..can YOU shoot a deer running 40 miles an hour through piney woods and KILL it??or even hit it for that matter?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Re: Deer Dogging?? [ QUOTE ] i think snapper hit the nail on the head [/ QUOTE ] Since you are so supportive PA, why did you say this on another post? : "i have no problem with feeding deer during the off season. i also think that you shouldnt be considered a sportsman if you shoot one over feed." Sounds like you are knocking another mans way of hunting to me........................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathcoerracin Posted December 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Re: Deer Dogging?? [ QUOTE ] Its not legal here. Doesnt seem like it would be any fun to me either. Id rather sit in the stand and watch the woods all day. To me it rather questions ethics even tho alot of monsters have been killed that way. [/ QUOTE ] Explain ethics for me? Im kinda confused?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Re: Deer Dogging?? Not to change the subject or anything but, I hope everybody has a Happy New Year!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyBucks Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Re: Deer Dogging?? If it's legal and the style of hunting you like, I'm all for it. I operate a small hunting forum that has several members from Georgia that run dogs and I'm proud to say that I've never heard a negative comment from any of the other members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? Havent hunted deer with dogs but doing deer drives is pretty common here and weve done it since I started hunting them.Cant imagine hunting with dogs would be much different aside from the fact they can cover more ground. My expeience has been that most of the people bothered by the ethics of it havent even tried it.You need to know much more about the property your hunting then you do stand hunting.If you dont where the deer are you cant push them.If you dont know where they will go you cant post for them.And these things are continuously changing, they bed and run different areas during different parts of the season.You will be shooting at moving targets 90% of the time.You must know within yards where the deer will go or you wont get a clean shot.As with anything else you must play the wind, a deer still wont run to a poster if it smells them.For safety reasons you must know where everyone else is located, and they have to know the same.You must still be able to track a wounded deer, you have to know the surrounding landowners in case one is crippled and gets past.Without these things you may as well stay home, youll either see no deer, lose wounded deer, or be setting up an unsafe setting. I stand hunt as well, its not that complicated to find a deer trail and set up a stand 15 yrds from it, and its certainly not the only ethical way to kill a deer, it takes less time and preperation than many other forms of hunting that are considered questionable by those that dont utilize them.I enjoy both forms and would love to try a well planned, ethical dog hunt sometime.JMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? I don't have a problem with the concept of using dogs for hunting, but I do have the problem with the practices of the dog hunters that I've delt with. It is legal here in Arkansas and I have had about 8-10 dealings with dogs and dog hunters. I have never seen or delt with a single dog hunter that does it legally or ethically. In every case they have either waited on the roads for the dogs to come through, shot from a vehicle (while moving), ran thier dogs through private and posted land, hunted while drinking, and shot deer regardless of age, sex or antler requirements. Many of them drink while "hunting" All of them I've ever talked to say "We ground check our deer". Which basically means they don't report the kill or tag them. These are the people that we see in left wing movies when they try to make all hunters out to be a bunch of drunk idiots with guns. Not to say that all dog hunters are poachers, I've just never met one who isn't. I wouldn't mind doing it if I knew it was being done right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennswamper Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? I've been around dog hunters my whole life and to be honest, I've never met these so called idiots. Maybe it's an Arkansas thing or south Alabama thing. I'm not sure. What I do know is this, I know dozens of poachers who have never deer hunted over a dog. From baiting to spotlighting and points in between. It's not the sport and some need to realize that. I no longer hunt in a dog club in Alabama, haven't in several years. I did enjoy it but I moved on to other things. I will say this also, every dog club I have every been in was more courteous, more family oriented and has less arguments and rules violations than any stalk/still hunting club I have ever known. Everyone got along and all had GW numbers in their pockets in case someone broke a law. Anyone and everyone was welcome. As a guest many times at dog clubs, I was treated like family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Its not legal here. Doesnt seem like it would be any fun to me either. Id rather sit in the stand and watch the woods all day. To me it rather questions ethics even tho alot of monsters have been killed that way. [/ QUOTE ] Explain ethics for me? Im kinda confused?? [/ QUOTE ] I just dont feel its right your sitting there running them deers out of the woods how could that be fun? I dont see how you can call it hunting when all you have to do is kill. Doesnt require anything but being able to have a gun and shoot semi decent. Not even needing to practice anything else scent control or anything. Just not right in my mind. If its legal tho im not going to put it down or say dont do it even tho id like to we just have to stick together as hunters i guess weahter we like somthing or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? Just curious arrow, how many dog drives have you been on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? I have gone with my father-in-law on three different occations and have sworn I would never go back every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampbuckva Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? Dog hunting is great and its a way of life here in Va still hunting is for blackpowder and bow season but gun season is all about the dogs Hanging with good friends family and good dogs.Man I can here those Walkers fire up now.There are always people who have to rain on someones parade that dont understand what their talking about but dont let that get you down those three deer are trophies in my book!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? horst, do you have to experience everything 1st to find out it's wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? [ QUOTE ] I guess what confuses me is why its ok to hunt certain animals one way and not the next? Ok...is it ok to hunt rabbits with a dog? Of course it is...almost everyone would be ok with that. Is it ok to hunt deer with dogs? Some are ok with it...but alot get upset. Is the deer's life more deserving than a rabbit's? A duck must be shot in the air...but a turkey shouldn't be shot in the air...it should be called as close as posible????? Its ok to tree a coon with a dog at night and shoot it...but not ok to tree a bear with a dog and shoot it????? Its ok to catch bass out of a small farm pond...but not ok to shoot an animal inside a fence????? We could go on and on with these seniero's but the bottom line is... We all were raised and taught different styles of hunting...that doesn't make someone elses way wrong (within the law of course). Killing one of Gods creatures deserves respect reguardless how it was done. In Gods eyes...a deer's life isn't any more valuable than a rabbits. Please...lets not slam another hunters way of hunting...lets leave that to the anti's. If you don't agree with the way they killed...fine, congrat them on their kill and move on. [/ QUOTE ] Good Post!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? [ QUOTE ] horst, do you have to experience everything 1st to find out it's wrong? [/ QUOTE ] Id certainly need to experience it before I ade statements like this. [ QUOTE ] Doesnt require anything but being able to have a gun and shoot semi decent. Not even needing to practice anything else scent control or anything. Just not right in my mind. [/ QUOTE ] How would you know what it requires without having done it?You have no idea what may be required to hunt in such a manner. Since you asked maybe you can tell me whats so ethical and right about putting an elevated stand 15 yrds away from a well used deer trail?Anyone can do it and its only a matter of time before a deer uses it.How exactly is that "real hunting"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathcoerracin Posted January 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Its not legal here. Doesnt seem like it would be any fun to me either. Id rather sit in the stand and watch the woods all day. To me it rather questions ethics even tho alot of monsters have been killed that way. [/ QUOTE ] Explain ethics for me? Im kinda confused?? [/ QUOTE ] I just dont feel its right your sitting there running them deers out of the woods how could that be fun? I dont see how you can call it hunting when all you have to do is kill. Doesnt require anything but being able to have a gun and shoot semi decent. Not even needing to practice anything else scent control or anything. Just not right in my mind. If its legal tho im not going to put it down or say dont do it even tho id like to we just have to stick together as hunters i guess weahter we like somthing or not. [/ QUOTE ] So your first paragraph in your last post wasnt a put down?? man, take a minute and read what you wrote, then think about it. And by the way, you wouldnt know just how much fun it is until you tried it..youre missing out. I tree hunt too, but if i had my pick id dog hunt over tree hunt any day. Not trying to say anything about it because ive done countless times, but when youre dog huntin, the deer does have a fighting chance, not like when their standing 20 yards with their heads down. NOT PUTTING DOWN STALK HUNTERS BECAUSE I AM ONE TOO!!!! Theres just always action with dog huntin. By the way for those of you who care to see my 10 point that i killed on a DOG DRIVE( ) its on the contest entry page 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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