elkoholic Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? First, let me say congratulations on your hunting success. Second, let me say I hate these types of posts simply because there seems to be an inability of people to just answer the question and not give their two cents worth. Third, I have not hunted deer with dogs (it is not legal in Montana) and not likely to be any time soon. Nice buck you posted in the contest thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? [ QUOTE ] Just curious arrow, how many dog drives have you been on? [/ QUOTE ] Ive said ive never been on one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Its not legal here. Doesnt seem like it would be any fun to me either. Id rather sit in the stand and watch the woods all day. To me it rather questions ethics even tho alot of monsters have been killed that way. [/ QUOTE ] Explain ethics for me? Im kinda confused?? [/ QUOTE ] I just dont feel its right your sitting there running them deers out of the woods how could that be fun? I dont see how you can call it hunting when all you have to do is kill. Doesnt require anything but being able to have a gun and shoot semi decent. Not even needing to practice anything else scent control or anything. Just not right in my mind. If its legal tho im not going to put it down or say dont do it even tho id like to we just have to stick together as hunters i guess weahter we like somthing or not. [/ QUOTE ] So your first paragraph in your last post wasnt a put down?? man, take a minute and read what you wrote, then think about it. And by the way, you wouldnt know just how much fun it is until you tried it..youre missing out. I tree hunt too, but if i had my pick id dog hunt over tree hunt any day. Not trying to say anything about it because ive done countless times, but when youre dog huntin, the deer does have a fighting chance, not like when their standing 20 yards with their heads down. NOT PUTTING DOWN STALK HUNTERS BECAUSE I AM ONE TOO!!!! Theres just always action with dog huntin. By the way for those of you who care to see my 10 point that i killed on a DOG DRIVE( ) its on the contest entry page 7 [/ QUOTE ] lol you caught me. Ok i dont like it as ive said but its your choice your states laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i think snapper hit the nail on the head [/ QUOTE ] Since you are so supportive PA, why did you say this on another post? : "i have no problem with feeding deer during the off season. i also think that you shouldnt be considered a sportsman if you shoot one over feed." Sounds like you are knocking another mans way of hunting to me........................ [/ QUOTE ] Sounds like someone needs a nap lol !! Doing the pointing finger game. "you said it too, your guilty to." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Just curious arrow, how many dog drives have you been on? [/ QUOTE ] Ive said ive never been on one. [/ QUOTE ] Arrow, not meaning to single you out but if youve never been on one how is it you have the experience to make this statement? [ QUOTE ] Doesnt require anything but being able to have a gun and shoot semi decent. Not even needing to practice anything else scent control or anything. Just not right in my mind. [/ QUOTE ] You think because a deers running its going to voluntarily run to a person sitting where it can wind them? You can have a gun and be a expert marksman but without knowing where the deer will go its not going to matter cuz youll never see them to shoot.If youre turning the dogs loose in an area with no deer whats the point in letting them out? Driving deer takes just as much and sometimes an even better understanding of the property and behavior of the deer in a property as any other form of hunting.You can chase em all day but if your not where they want to go its going to be a waste of time.If they can wind you while your posting theyre not going to run past you.The dogs follow the deer, they dont herd em to a specific location.Again, not trying to start an argument with you, just curious how reached these highly generalized opinions without having experienced it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? [ QUOTE ] do you have to experience everything 1st to find out it's wrong? [/ QUOTE ] What makes it "wrong"? Because you don't do it or like it makes it wrong? If I don't like a certain type of truck...does that make everyone who drives one wrong? I think what Horst was trying to say is...unless you've experienced something first hand...how can you give an opinion based on any facts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? I'll have to agree with snapper on this point. You do not have to experience something to know you don't like it or agree with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? [ QUOTE ] I'll have to agree with snapper on this point. You do not have to experience something to know you don't like it or agree with it. [/ QUOTE ] Yep, you can know something is right or wrong without having any first hand experience. Not sure that is what snapper is saying though John. You also will have your own interpretations of what you view as morally right or wrong and what is ethical, that may or may not be subject to change with outside factors and influences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? Johnf, go back. You may want to slow down and re-read the posts. Snapper (supporting horst) and horst think you have to experience something to come to a conclusion. drugs, adultery, robbing. Do we need to experience it before saying it's okay? NO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? Even though this thread has been hijacked, i'll put in my $0.02 anyway. I don't hunt with dogs, and never will. There isn't enough land around here anymore anyway to do it. I opted out of a lease a few years ago because the guys that hunted with dogs kept coming on our Private Property running dogs. If you can't control your own dogs, and no one can when they are on a deer, then climb up a tree for a change. If it's done legally that's fine, just stay off of my property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? [ QUOTE ] Johnf, go back. You may want to slow down and re-read the posts. Snapper (supporting horst) and horst think you have to experience something to come to a conclusion. drugs, adultery, robbing. Do we need to experience it before saying it's okay? NO! [/ QUOTE ] Oops. I do stand by my point. I don't have to do something to know that I don't agree with it. As I have said before, I've been on dog drives on 3 different occations and have delt with other dog hunters on several others. I've never seen it done the way it was intended and have never met anyone in person who does it ethically or legally. Given the right cercumstances I think it would be an exciting way to hunt. I just haven't encountered them yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? Congrats on the 3 wallhangers! Yep, from what I've seen and heard (both here and other places), it seems that there is a real problem with dogs "trespassing" on private property or public areas where hunting deer with dogs is not allowed. I think that those who enjoy the sport in a legal manner could benefit from some self policing and perhaps should do some image repair before their sport suffers irreparable damage from those in the group who don't play by the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? [ QUOTE ] Johnf, go back. You may want to slow down and re-read the posts. Snapper (supporting horst) and horst think you have to experience something to come to a conclusion. drugs, adultery, robbing. Do we need to experience it before saying it's okay? NO! [/ QUOTE ] So your comparing a legal hunting method to drugs, adultery, and robbery.Im done, this is getting so far fetched it isnt worth persuing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Johnf, go back. You may want to slow down and re-read the posts. Snapper (supporting horst) and horst think you have to experience something to come to a conclusion. drugs, adultery, robbing. Do we need to experience it before saying it's okay? NO! [/ QUOTE ] So your comparing a legal hunting method to drugs, adultery, and robbery.Im done, this is getting so far fetched it isnt worth persuing [/ QUOTE ] The point I'm making is I don't have to do something 1st to determine if it's wrong or right. You are right, this is going nowhere. We could use a moderator! Do you know where one is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rad_112176 Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? Not agreeing is not a slam, but asking/telling someone that he can kill but know can he hunt them would make most of us feel like a slam. I did a deer drive with my brothers this weekend and shot a doe with my bow. Now would you consider that to be ok? Would you consider that hunting and not just killing? Alot more hunting taking place such as set up, concealment, when to pull back and not get busted on the ground, wind direction so that your not busted before they get out of the corn, and then actually pulling off the shot in a brief moment. But in the long run it is no different than a couple of dogs pushing it to me. I would post a pic but my brother still has the picture on his camera. Maybe next time it would be easier just to congradulate the person on there deer and just say " Not a big fan of running dogs" to voice his opinion of the hunting process and not the person himself. BTW - Congrats on the deer. Any pics yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Johnf, go back. You may want to slow down and re-read the posts. Snapper (supporting horst) and horst think you have to experience something to come to a conclusion. drugs, adultery, robbing. Do we need to experience it before saying it's okay? NO! [/ QUOTE ] So your comparing a legal hunting method to drugs, adultery, and robbery.Im done, this is getting so far fetched it isnt worth persuing [/ QUOTE ] The point I'm making is I don't have to do something 1st to determine if it's wrong or right. You are right, this is going nowhere. We could use a moderator! Do you know where one is? [/ QUOTE ] Ill see if I can find one, my powers in this room dont exist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? You know if we all just stopped posting here it would be just like it was locked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? I honestly think folks get "feelings" mixed up with ethics. When it comes to hunting...as long as its legal...I don't have issues with it. Why is one way of KILLING any more or less ethical than another way of KILLING? To me...whats unethical is someone who shoots beyond their limitations or don't practice enough and wounds the animal. I don't care how you choose to KILL your deer (within the law)...but don't look down on me for the way I choose to KILL my deer. See my point...no matter how you do it...the end result is KILLING. We owe it to the animal to KILL it quickly as posible...thats it! Oh...we all can agree to disagree...thats fine. In the future...don't condem/slam someones way of hunting if its legal and we won't have issues like this. Either congrat the person...or say nothing...its that simple! Moving on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Re: Deer Dogging?? [ QUOTE ] To me...whats unethical is someone who shoots beyond their limitations or don't practice enough and wounds the animal. [/ QUOTE ] I could not agree more with that right there. Matter of fact, think I said the very same thing in the stirring the pot thread. Makes me sick really to hear the multiple shots fired on deer from the same shooters year after year. Just dont understand why some people cannot practice and become effective with their weapons before taking to the woods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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