Guest OklaBow712 Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Re: OKLAHOMANS READ! I agree MCH the southern and southeastern part i live and hunt in is full of does...yet we have fewer doe days than just about anyone.....whats up with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Re: OKLAHOMANS READ! ok forgive me for the quick hijack I just have to say that everytime I see the title for this thread I think of a headline concerning literacy and phonics on the front of a newspaper. OKLAHOMANS READ! - NEWS AT 11:00 I know - pathetic on my part - now ignore me and go back to the important stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gt2003 Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Re: OKLAHOMANS READ! I hunted very little this year, my fault. But, my gripe is, in my county (sequoyah), many people only hunt during rifle season and only hunt for bucks. That pretty much pisses me off. So, I think they (oklahoma wildlife dept) have got the right idea but might be going about it in the wrong way. Increase our doe days during rifle and ML season. If that doesn't work, require a doe to be shot before a buck tag can be obtained during rifle and ML. I can't count the number of times during rifle season that I'll see a bunch of doe but I am not allowed to legally shoot them. I don't want to see it get to this point but the doe population here seems out of control and the hunters in the area don't seem to want to do much to take care of the problem. Thats just my point of view, take it for what its worth, Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3whunt Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Re: OKLAHOMANS READ! Bad Idea!! Most of the people who kill the "young" bucks do so in the ML and Rifle seasons... They will still be able to shoot their two young bucks. It will not accomplish much if anything. If they want to reduce doe numbers I agree that the earn a buck by shooting a doe program would work best. I am currently pretty pleased with the ODWC, especially in the Southeastern part of the state. The buck to doe ratio is acceptable IMO. I don't think we need to take any more does in our part of the state. They would have to drop the buck harvest down to one to impact our herd. With all of the poaching that goes on down here it probably still wouldn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Re: OKLAHOMANS READ! Who made it to a meeting??? I just flat out forgot. After reading some thoughts on this on AT, I disagree with this idea. What will going from 3 bucks to 2 bucks REALLY accomplish. Most bucks that are killed are killed during the ML and Rifle season, so if a young buck is gonna be killed, most likely it will be during those two seasons, right? IMO, this will accomplish NOTHING, except maybe hurting the bowhunter, as we have a longer period in which to hunt, but then again, I'm sure any buck that survives those two seasons will be hard pressed to see the rest of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdoc Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Re: OKLAHOMANS READ! but.....the hunter might not take that second young buck if he knows it is his last buck for the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Re: OKLAHOMANS READ! Just something for you Okies to think about... If you're interested in an effective method for controlling the total buck harvest, suggest to your ODWC that you go to a 1 buck per county rule, with a total of 3 bucks for the entire state. That would allow those hunters who want to put in the time and effort to still harvest their 3 bucks, but it would also tend to spread out the harvest and might also result in more young bucks surviving their first antler growing season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Re: OKLAHOMANS READ! [ QUOTE ] but.....the hunter might not take that second young buck if he knows it is his last buck for the season. [/ QUOTE ] Finally, we AGREE on something!! I wonder what the ratio is for those that just want to "kill a buck" compared to those that will "trophy" hunt.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okiedog Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Re: OKLAHOMANS READ! I think they need to take the rifle season back down to 9 days instead of 16, and move it into December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil hunter Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 Re: OKLAHOMANS READ! I'm not from OK, but i still figured I'd throw in my input. About 5-6 years ago, in Indiana, they reduced the buck limit from 2, down to 1. So yes, we have only been allowed 1 buck a year since then. Now, there has been such an improvement in the size of bucks harvested, and the numbers seen, that they are planning to keep that rule in place for awhile longer, when initially it was only going to last 5 years. I don't really know how the buck and/or deer population in general is in OK, but if it is anything at all like Indiana, that new law would really improve the quality of deer there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 Re: OKLAHOMANS READ! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] but.....the hunter might not take that second young buck if he knows it is his last buck for the season. [/ QUOTE ] Finally, we AGREE on something!! I wonder what the ratio is for those that just want to "kill a buck" compared to those that will "trophy" hunt.......... [/ QUOTE ] With most bucks being killed in ML and Rifle season, I really don't see where the reduction from 3 to 2 will have a big effect on what people take. What I would REALLY like to know is just how many people shoot a buck to "shoot a buck" as compared to hunters that will take that older buck......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 Re: OKLAHOMANS READ! [ QUOTE ] What I would REALLY like to know is just how many people shoot a buck to "shoot a buck" as compared to hunters that will take that older buck......... [/ QUOTE ] While that ratio may still be heavily skewed in the direction of the "any buck" shooter, I think you'll see it steadily moving towards the "mature buck" shooter as more hunters become better educated about the benefits of QDM. We'll also see the results of the older, typically meat hunter, generation aging to the point where they can no longer hunt. And they'll be replaced by a younger generation who grew up hearing about scientific deer management principles and practices. I know that over the past 20 years, I've seen a marked increase in the number of hunters who really want to take a mature buck and who are willing to make the sacrifice of not shooting young bucks in order to achieve their goals. While we're not yet to the point where 100% of the hunters think this way, and realistically we'll probably never get there, we are at least trending in the right direction. So who knows what the next 20 years might bring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OklaBow712 Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Re: OKLAHOMANS READ! I totally agree Texan..I was always taught not to shoot does. That generation is fading out and I believe QDM practices will take over and allow young bucks to grow into mature bucks. I'd just as soon have a nice fat doe on the table anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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