LETMGROW Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 A couple posts have been on here about Road Hunting. Not going to express my opinion but I had a friend who was no less than an expert. Actually it took two people to get the job done. Heard about driving and watching? Well, My friend would drive his Isuzu pick up at high speed up a conservation trail until a deer was spotted. Then he would slam the brakes on, the rider exit the truck, load his gun, and as the truck took off at high speed the shooter would walk past the ditchline [ usually in a cloud of dust ] while the deer's attention was still focused on the truck. The rest I'll leave up to your imagination. Was this legal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAstringking Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? ummm i think that it is legal but frowned upon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesVee Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? Illegal. It's using a vehicle to directly aid in the harvest of an animal. It's like having someone do a drive on a fourwheeler while you post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? Bigtime illigal here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? kind of sad if thats the only way the deer is harvested.... wouldnt be a friend of mine much longer, but thats just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? [ QUOTE ] Was this legal? [/ QUOTE ] You tell us, it's your state. Laws vary from state, if this was your "friend" and you thought or think he's doing something illegal then call your DNR and find out for sure. If it's not legal then do what you have to to get it stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
py_archer Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? Other then the "high speed" traffic violation, as long as he was on the other side of the ditch, that would be legal here. Sounds hilarious. Got any video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? Yeah I would be curious as to whether or not that is legal in your state? Think there would be more than just game violations being broken with that situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? Ive got no idea if that would be legal, Im not even sure what a conservation trail is, Im assuming its something on public hunting grounds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? You must be cased and unloaded here in Wis. Then to fire your gun you must be past the right of way of that particular road or highway before loaded OR shooting,..that makes you a trespasser unless you are on public ground. Most of em (road hunters/shiners)...are too lazy to get out and shoot from the truck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYBUCK Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? I would say in Ny it would be legal because he got out of the truck, loaded gun providing he was off the road on the shoulder. It wouldn't be my style but sounds like it would be legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? I believe "legal"...but I also feel "slob". We have them around here also. Just within the letter of the law, but not to what ethical hunters view as what hunting is "supposed to be". Gets my goat but they are within the letter of the law, just not ethical in my opinion. I apologize if this is actually a friend of yours but I am taking from your post that it may actually be a hypothetical, or the at the very least the word "friend" is used lightly. ?? Great post! Nothing here I can find making it illegal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughboy1956 Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? You cannot discharge a firearm within 100 feet of a traveled road here. So that would be Illegal. (here) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? [ QUOTE ] You cannot discharge a firearm within 100 feet of a traveled road here. So that would be Illegal. (here) [/ QUOTE ] Thats an interesting law, many of the public hunting grounds around here sit at intersections and arent very large.Taking 100 ft off two sides of them from the corner would dang near eliminate some of the smaller ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? [ QUOTE ] I believe "legal"...but I also feel "slob". We have them around here also. Just within the letter of the law, but not to what ethical hunters view as what hunting is "supposed to be". Gets my goat but they are within the letter of the law, just not ethical in my opinion. I apologize if this is actually a friend of yours but I am taking from your post that it may actually be a hypothetical, or the at the very least the word "friend" is used lightly. ?? Great post! Nothing here I can find making it illegal... [/ QUOTE ] I agree... Researching this on the DEC website I found..that it is Illegal to shoot from a "Motor Vehicle"(any vehicle that is not muscle powered on or off the road) or while on or from a "Public Roadway". I've been unable to find the description of a "Public Roadway" well defined anywhere including the NYDOT website. I have no doubt that it not only includes the actual road but also the "Right of Way" as well. *update* I just got off the phone @ 2:06pm with the DEC and have recieved a better definition of exactly what they consider a "Public Roadway". Any road that is on a Map. Any road that is maintained including seasonal roads. To be legal here the officer said that you must be "Off the shoulder of the road". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? [ QUOTE ] To be legal here the officer said that you must be "Off the shoulder of the road". [/ QUOTE ] I have always heard they consider the road and the shoulder this way. From measuring from the centerline of the road...33 ft in either direction over the shoulder is what is considered the road and the "right of way". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerslayer06 Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? im a college conservation law enforcement student in indiana and that his a BIG NO-NO! TRUST ME. looking at a c misdemeanor prob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? [ QUOTE ] im a college conservation law enforcement student in indiana and that his a BIG NO-NO! TRUST ME. looking at a c misdemeanor prob. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe in Indiana its a big no-no, but in NY...everything described in the original post...is legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianaboy Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? As long as he was 50 feet from the center of the road it would be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? I guess I've just met and seen to many road hunters in my day. These are the guys that make a habit of driving around (always) hunting deer or whatever, from their vehicle. They are the guys that Joe-public sees shooting deer straight down roads, shooting deer from the road or vehicle, or shooting deer on private land from the road or the fence-line. many of them like that open case of beer on the back-seat too, just to keep their lips wet, I guess. Not hunting in my opinion. Theirs a big difference between these die-hard drive-around so-called hunters, and a couple of guys driving around looking for a place to actually hunt or get to know new territory. Many times when my buddies and I have gone on hunting trips to new places, we spend the first couple of days just driving around, getting to know the land and deciding on where the best place is to hunt. Once I find my spot, it's no more driving for me. It's huntin time. And if by chance we did see something while driving along, within shooting range, by golly we make sure we're legal when making the shot, and make sure the deer or whatever is not on private land. I've just seen too many dang road hunters in my day, and don't think too highly of them. I went moose hunting up in northern BC one time with a new guy I had met in town here. It was the worst trip I ever had, because all the guy wanted to do was drive around until he found a moose standing on or along side the road somewhere. Not my idea of hunting at all. Needless to say, this joker went off in the truck by himself every morning, while I ventured out from camp to a place I saw lots of moose sign. I ended up not getting a moose, but I saw a few and I was hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] To be legal here the officer said that you must be "Off the shoulder of the road". [/ QUOTE ] I have always heard they consider the road and the shoulder this way. From measuring from the centerline of the road...33 ft in either direction over the shoulder is what is considered the road and the "right of way". [/ QUOTE ] Thats true here but the ditches are considered public property and are legal to hunt upland game or waterfowl from{not deer anymore}.Pheasant hunters and a lot of goose hunters utilize the ditches here, we have a large boundary here where its illegal to hunt geese inside it, but by the late season when theyve been shot at not many come out of the zone and they dont decoy.Pass shooting them around the edge of the boundary is the best bet you have at killing a goose. A lot of sections the ditches are about the only cover left in as well and its where the pheasants hang out, of course staying away from the busy paved roads is usually just comon sense or you wind up with a dead dog eventualy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? I wonder how some of the western "spot and stalk" hunters would feel about this thread. I understand that this is a pretty common practice in some of the more "wide open" hunting country of the west. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkoholic Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? Driving to a vantage point and glassing distant ridges and draws in an attempt to spot game is a very accepted practice in many areas. The plan then being to exit the vehicle and execute a successful stalk. This driving from vantage point to vantage point allows the hunters to cover much more territory than possible if traveling on foot. An unfair advantage in the game of life and death, but then again, so is a scoped rifle. Most of the time the goal is not to merely see an animal within range of the vehicle and shoot from said vehicle, but to spot game at a distance and plan a stalk or an interception point (hopefully reached on foot). A true "road hunter" would never dream of actually making a stalk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? I can't imagine any ethical person practicing that kind of shooting of a deer. Notice I didn't call it hunting. These folks sound as bad as the dog hunters that I've delt with here. These are th people make hunters look like a bunch of blood thursty idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Re: Road Hunting Done Right ?? [ QUOTE ] A true "road hunter" would never dream of actually making a stalk. [/ QUOTE ] Elk hit it on the head...I believe that is the difference. Sliding your truck to a stop as your buddy and you hurriedly load firearms and start blasting away...unethical..slobs.... add a stalk in a western setting (not much open country like that around here), and that changes things a bit. More than likely that would still be frowned upon in these parts due to the small tracts of land ownership, but hey, have seen it on numerous outdoor shows when they hunt mulies and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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