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well here a couple months ago my best friend that i happen to work fors brother shot a stray dog and the judge is now facing him with up to a month in jail....when the dogs run ALL OVER the country side and heres some back lash from his good ol' country boy brother that happens to be staitioned in guam for the navy and has been for quite a while

As Many of you know my brother shot a dog that belongeded to Dan Hill, and is facing one year in jail for it. I have posted the story that was written in the paper, and then posted the 100% true statement of what really happened.

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RANSOM: Man found guilty of killing dog with arrow

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DAN CHURNEY, [email protected], 815-431-4050

A rural Ransom man is set for sentencing next month for killing a dog with a bow and arrow.

Raymond E. Talty, 20, of 1821 E. 26th Road was found guilty Friday in La Salle County Circuit Court of misdemeanor animal cruelty after a one-day bench trial before Associate Judge William Balestri.

Balestri set sentencing for Feb. 22. Talty can be punished with as much as a $1,000 fine, as long as two years' probation and as long as 364 days in the county jail.

Talty shot an 80-pound, 8-month-old chocolate Labrador retriever in May on his property with an arrow discharged from a compound bow. Talty testified he feared the dog, as well as another dog with it, was aggressive and so shot the dog for self-protection.

The owner of the dogs noticed the dog was missing, which led to discovery of the dog's body in a field near Talty's property.

Balestri did not believe the dogs were aggressive, finding Talty guilty.

Talty was represented by Ed Kuleck of Ottawa and was prosecuted by La Salle County Assistant Prosecutor Ryan Cantlin.

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Posted by Heidi from Marseilles at 2:26PM on Wednesday, 1/10/07

He actually "feared the dog" yet had time to draw and shoot - sorry but i am not buying that! If you are faced with an aggressive perhaps charging dog, you would not be able to plant, set, aim, and fire and get a kill shot before you got bit. What a maroon! If a dog is harrassing livestock, you can shoot it. Otherwise call animal control. They will take care of it. I have called them myself for a unsocialized nasty pitbull the neighbor let roam. One call, the problem was resolved - that is what the animal control officer is for.

Posted by Tim at 2:45PM on Wednesday, 1/10/07

Labs are never mean, this guy just wanted to kill something, and the dogs are his victim, it could of been a child, he needs to be locked up

Posted by some anonymous person at 3:02PM on Wednesday, 1/10/07

Sounds like a sicko to me, scared of an 8 month old lab??..Prob shot it with the bow just to kill something, thorw him in county for a year the loser!!

Posted by Dawn from Grand Ridge at 3:16PM on Wednesday, 1/10/07

What an ****!

Posted by some anonymous person at 3:22PM on Wednesday, 1/10/07

Let,s find out more about this. if it is obvious that he feared this dog he should get off free. If it was a hateful and malicious act then throw every thing legal at him (give him the maximum).

Posted by ja at 3:33PM on Wednesday, 1/10/07

you should not make a comment like. You need to inform yourself of the facts before making any sort of judgements!

Posted by Burnside from Sheridan at 3:45PM on Wednesday, 1/10/07

They should take Ray Talty's compound bow and arrow and let the owner of this poor dog have a shot at him. Put an apple on his head for good measure.

Posted by some anonymous person at 4:22PM on Wednesday, 1/10/07

I know those dogs and they have been problems all over the neighborhood. They wouldn't let me out of my own house until I shot a couple loads of buckshot into the sky. Same deal with two of my neighbors. Those dogs sure put up an appearance of being viscious and once again people here have all the answers and none of the facts. That being said I did not shoot at the dogs because I didn't have to. If they were between me and a safe place the story might be different.

Posted by some anonymous person at 4:30PM on Wednesday, 1/10/07

Heidi, I ussually like your comments but you're way off base on this one. those dogs M.O. is not a mad charge but more of a loud snarling stalk. I know from experiance. I heard a honking in my driveway a while back. Those dogs had the UPS driver pinned in his truck. He yelled at me to call off my dogs and I told him they weren't mine. I yelled at the dogs to get lost and they turned on me. I went back in the house and took a couple of warning shots out the window . They finally left after that.

Posted by some anonymous person from Chicago at 4:55PM on Wednesday, 1/10/07

This guy needs to be locked up for a long, long, long times. He is a very dangeous person to have aroung.

Posted by some anonymous person at 5:56PM on Wednesday, 1/10/07

i have two dogs myself, one a black lab. I dont let my dogs run all over the neighborhood and create havoc . my undestanding of this incident the animal control officer was called but didnt respond . If this dog owner was more resonsible this incedent would have never happen

Posted by Heidi from Marseilles at 6:03PM on Wednesday, 1/10/07

Agreed I do not know the dogs. However, i do know how long it takes to get a good clear shot with a compound bow. It just doesn't add up. If I were in immediate danger a bow and arrow would not be the best way out. Who has one at the ready anyway?

Why wasn't a complaint made to animal control previous to this incident? It sounds like there were enough incidents previously. That would have defused this situation long before it had to come to this - in my opinion.

Besides I find a well aimed paint ball does an amazing job of keeping strays out of my pasture. I usually only have to shoot only once, and they never darken my pastures again - except for that one danged pitbull -grrrrr

BTW My labs had the FedEx guy on edge today. They demanded Milk Bones to release him from my driveway.

Posted by some anonymous person at 6:21PM on Wednesday, 1/10/07

Too bad you people that had prior experience with these dogs, didn't step up and testify. Mr Talty or his attorney shopuld have questioned neighbors to find out if others had this problem with the dogs. The result may have ended differently for him.

Posted by Ann Onimous from Ottawa at 7:19PM on Wednesday, 1/10/07

Why is it animal cruelty to kill adog with a bow and arrow, and not animal cruelty to kill a deer? At least the dog was threatening. Oh I get it. It's the license fee.

Posted by some anonymous person at 8:42PM on Wednesday, 1/10/07

Maybe he thought it was a deer. The problem is people do more time for harming an animal than they do a person. He should be punished, and the owners of their pets should be more responsible too.

Posted by Phil McKracken from Ottabama at 10:03PM on Wednesday, 1/10/07

so, were all you neighbors that can testify that these dogs are a menace to ransom society able to convince the young man that a trial by jury (if available) rather than a bench trial would behoove him as you would all gladly go to court to tell your story about the horrific goings-on with the devil dogs that roam the mean streets of ransom?

sounds like he could have gotten you "characters" to be a witness to the fact that this chocolate lab learned the ways of intimidation very early...but then again, Labs are pretty smart, huh?

Posted by some anonymous person at 7:59AM on Thursday, 1/11/07

well the lab that was sooooooo mean as was testified to had its TAIL BETWEEN ITS LEGS in a sign of submission he needs to be and will be locked up

Posted by xxx from Streator at 8:09AM on Thursday, 1/11/07

to Heidi from Marseilles

Do you really know? Were you there? I don't think you were. No one what or how they would react in that postion. Sounds like those dogs were trouble and since they were on his property, so be it!!

Posted by some anonymous person at 8:21AM on Thursday, 1/11/07

This guy makes me so sick

Lock him up

Posted by Elizabeth from Ransom at 9:12AM on Thursday, 1/11/07

I can all understand your point with this. I am the accused sister and I know for a fact all he was doing was protecting my mother and our land. We have had problems with the Hills and the dogs that they have. They run our countryside and cause nothing but problems. My parents worked their butts off to be where they are today and to be scared to walk out in their own yard is ridiculous. We called the sheriff and told them we needed animal control. Do you know what they said to my mother and brother. That they will call them but dont be surprised if they do not show up until tomorrow. What do you do with that? The Hill's lied on the stand and my brother is being punished. He is a hard working individual. Our whole family works really hard so go ahead and believe what you want but we got the shady end of the deal with this. Our fellow Ransom farmers are behind us and feel our pain.

Posted by Kathy from u.p., mi at 9:20AM on Thursday, 1/11/07

I lived south of Marseillles "on the hill" for 14 years, there were 3 families that owned PITBULLS and we the neighbors were told by LaSalle County Sheriff's office and Animal Control, that there is not a LaSalle County Ordinance/ Leash Law , only if you live in a municipality that had a "Town city ordinance", I had a sheltie that was killed by one of the pitbulls, and I had also witnessed a German Shephard and several neighborhood cats attacked by one of the pitbulls...........nothing we could do, so maybe if you live in the "country" you should keep your dog in your own yard some how, I learned my lesson the hard way, we finally had our yard fenced in..........lo and behold I looked out one day and our Brittany Spaniel had company, yep you guessed it a pit bull had come through a 4' high chain link fence, plus a 6' high kennel fence, all the owner said was "SORRY??"

Posted by ???? from Ottawa at 9:26AM on Thursday, 1/11/07

The story stated the dog was on his property, so obviously it was running at large. I live outside city limits and I have dogs in my yard all the time. I have seen how the animals show a pack mentality when they are in a group. Maybe he is telling the truth ?

Posted by South Side from Ottawa at 9:30AM on Thursday, 1/11/07

Hey Guys, In upstate New York we had some incidents like this involving domestic animals chasing dear and the defendents were found not guilty of shooting the dog(S). Some labs are extremely aggressive-if you were not there how can you base a sentence on whether the dog was agressive or not. Have any of you been around an agressive dog. Bread nor color define what dog may be agressive or not. I think he was railroaded and not given a fair shake. His only issue may be who his attorney was. You get what you pay for. If that had been a LaSalle County Board Members son or grandson the verdict would have been that the shooting was warrented.

WHO'S KIDDING WHO HERE. Its who you know not what actually occured.

Posted by Raymond Talty from Ransom at 10:17AM on Thursday, 1/11/07

why dont you people just mind your own buisiness i bust my **** for a living n when there is work to be done im not gonna let 2 ravid dogs keep me from doin my work n further more u really dont have the truth everything you people are goin by is hersay

Posted by Tim at 10:31AM on Thursday, 1/11/07

Elizabeth from Ransom ....

a 8 month old Lab is not mean, I believe your brother just wanted to kill something that day and this puppy just happen to be his next victims

If what you said was true, he would have phone records to prove he called the county

He never called the county !!!!!!!

He is just a killer, get over it

Posted by Bob from Streator at 10:31AM on Thursday, 1/11/07

to Elizabeth from Ransom ,

I know your family and just how good of people they are! I stand behind you!!

Posted by Raymond Talty from Ransom at 11:03AM on Thursday, 1/11/07

to tim we have phone records

Posted by Tim at 11:50AM on Thursday, 1/11/07

to,Raymond Talty from Ransom

get over it, I hope he will go to jail, he is the lowest form of life to kill a little 8 month old puppy

Posted by some anonymous person at 11:54AM on Thursday, 1/11/07

Im glad they posted little Raymond Talty's name, now everyone who meets him will know what a punk, and animal he is.

I hope he gets the year in county

Posted by Phil at 12:26PM on Thursday, 1/11/07

Hey all, I'm coming in here kinda late, but am I to understand that if a dog strays into your yard, you should just wait inside til it goes away? I'm not so sure thats fair, or right?

I was in my yard just over the weekend in Ottawa and all of a sudden a huge German Shepard was in my yard. I ran to the back and got in the fence. The owners soon followed him up my driveway and said "oh don't worry, he's nice".

Well, he may be nice to them and their kids, but heck I don't know if he's gonna like me that way and I don't feel like taking the chance.

Posted by Harrison from Iowa at 12:48PM on Thursday, 1/11/07

A bow was used because it is quiet, he thought no one would know.

Animal control should have been the route to take.

Loose aggressive dogs are a nusiance and give all dog owners a bad reputation.

I carry a can of pepper spray when I run my sleddogs becuase too often we are attacked.

I also carry a small club but have never used it.

It is the owners fault, but the dogs pay the price.

***two cents***

Posted by some anonymous person at 1:05PM on Thursday, 1/11/07

I know Raymond Talty personally. He has dogs of his own that he takes very good care of. He has spent lots of time & money to keep his dogs healthy. He is not an animal hater or a mean person. He did not have access to any other means to get the dog to leave. I would like to see what anyone else would do when they were faced with an aggressive animal keeping them hostage, with no assurance that any authority would come to help. THINK ABOUT IT!!

Posted by mg from Seneca at 1:14PM on Thursday, 1/11/07

The only mistake Raymond made was not cleaning up after himself. Remember the three S's....shoot, shovel and shutup. He forgot the shovel part. To all you bleeding hearts...a stray on my farm gets one grace shot in the butt with pellet gun....if he comes back, then he never goes home !!!

Posted by some anonymous person at 1:26PM on Thursday, 1/11/07

If you like dogs well enough to have one, you should manage to keep it in your own yard. Our families, friends and delivery people are always terrified of our neighbor's german shepard. There are several other dogs from the neighborhood that are always here too. I have two small kids that should be able to play in their own yard without fear of these dogs and also without stepping in dog poop every time they walk three feet. I wouldn't recommend hurting one of them but I can certainly understand why someone would if they've tried every other possiblity!

Posted by Glass Joe from Streator formerly Ransom at 2:45PM on Thursday, 1/11/07

To Tim

That little 8 month old puppy weighed 80lbs. Not so little if you ask me. Calling animal control is completely different in a larger town than it is in Ransom. There isn't a police department in town to call on and the LaSalle county animal control officer could be hours if not days away. What was this family to do? Should they have just waited in their own home until animal control showed up in an hour or possibly the next day? Would you feel differently if the dog in the story was a Pit-bull or Rotwieler? Some dogs have a predisposition to be violent no matter the breed or training, and bad owners increase this exponentially. Tell me this. The owners let this dog run "wild" around the area. Does that make them good owners? No, and typically dogs that run wild don't have very good personalities. They are usually affraid of people; and in most animals that fear comes out as aggression. So who really is to blame in my eyes? The owners of the dog are to blame; had they kept the dog in their own yard this never would have happened. END OF STORY

This is what they won't let me post in the paper

Well let me tell you people the side of the story you did not read in the newspaper, My mother, let me repeat this for those of you who didn’t understand the first time, my MOTHER was chased into the house by one of the two dogs that were in HER yard. We have warned these people numerous times, who live a mile and a half away to keep their dogs in their yard for years. Now my MOTHER calls my father who then in turn calls the sheriff. Now this is where it gets good. The sheriff tells my father “We will put in the call to animal control, but, do not expect them to show up today” Now many of you ask why a bow? Well my father keeps all of the guns and ammo that he, myself, and my brother own in a fire proof, locked gun safe, and carries the one and only yes that’s right the ONLY key on HIM. No copy, no safe way to open it if the key is lost. Don’t believe me?? Even the BB guns are locked up. Pretty sure he will be glad to show you. So my brother, who is very experienced in using a compound bow, walks outside ready to shoot because this dog scared his MOTHER into HER own house, the dog takes to him, my brother, bow in hand and at the ready, takes the shot. Dog is dead. Now you people are going to sit here and call my brother a dog murderer it was only a Lab, my last dog was a Black Lab I got for free in Marseilles and attacked everyone she was not familiar with, even my mother when she stopped by to say hi., fine. Now swap my brother with one of your younger children. What now?? The judge said my brother should have let the dog attack him BEFORE shooting, but wait, it’s your child out there, now what??? Got your attention yet? My MOTHER felt threatened by this dog. I am in the military and to feel threatened is all it takes to justify a fatal shot. Now I could understand if my brother stalked this dog like a hunter stalks a deer, and I would agree with all of you, but this dog made my MOTHER feel threatened enough to run into HER house. Now if you were the owner of these dogs, and the neighbors have asked you to keep your dogs in your yard, what is the obvious solution to the problem??? Keep them in your yard, simple as that. As for my brother shooting the dog….. I would have shot it as soon as it crossed the property line, call me sick, but if this is what it takes to get an ignorant neighbor to keep THEIR dogs from chasing my MOTHER into HER house, in HER 2 acre yard, so be it. So now the people of the great state of Illinois wants to send my brother to jail for protecting what was rightfully his, FREEDOM IN HIS OWN YARD! The land that Elizabeth, Lawrence, Raymond Rebecca and Andrews father has worked his a#$ off for the past 25 years. Dog killer! That makes me sick. How would you like it if someone scared YOUR mother into HER house and you shot him with a bow??? All of you would scream “Self Defense” and get a slap on the wrist. I haven’t been home in two years and I have to say, sounds like a bunch of Californian tree hugger B!*@$% have moved in because none of you have the ba!!$ to admit to the fact my brother was in the right, the dog threatened his MOTHER, and if you wouldn’t do the same for your mother well, some son or daughter you are. As for the owners of these dogs, if you were ever to meet them, you would want to slap their parents for reproducing. We have had it with these people, and if it takes my brother going to jail so be it, but God have mercy on them when I go home. I told my parents to stop payment on the lawyers check cause he is a dip @#^% and I could have done better just yelling at the judge for being a moron, yes Heidi that’s how you spell moron. As for the rest of you, you sound like you come from the backwoods of Tennessee or Kentucky, I know the Education system in IL is better than that. As for Burnside, I’ll gladly come to your house and slap your mother around. Tim if my old lab was still around, I would put you in a pen with her and I can guarantee it would change your opinion of labs, as for Chicago, God D@^^ your stupid, your more worried about my brother killing a dog that threatened his mother. I know about ten drug dealers back home that are selling drugs to your kids, but you are too into my brother going to jail for protecting his mother. Think I’m full of it???? Give me a call I’ll gladly tell you who they are, but you won’t cause you would rather sit here behind a computer desk and talk smack about something you don’t even have the first clue about, while your kids are going out getting high. Dog, Man, Woman, whatever, my MOTHER, the one woman who carried me for 9 months took care of me till I was 18 and still cares for me even though I don’t need it at 23, does NOT deserve to be chased in HER 2 acre yard, by some ****h0!*$ dogs that belong a mile and half away, and HER son, my brother pay the price for protecting HER or THEIR rights as property owners. You got a problem with that, cross the line when I’m home, I’ll deal with it my way.

I guess the truth is not meant to be heard

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i would have done the same thing, i think most of us here would have done the same thing, some people and their comments are just complete morons, someone thinks, o its a lab they are harmless, thats B.S., just cause its a lab does not mean its harmless, i have came accross many mean labs, just cause its a specific breed doesnt mean anything, im with you, your bro and your family 100% on this one

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Hard to say, I can see both sides on this one. If the dog was a danger and aggresive then shoot the Da*& thing, if not then the guy is pretty sick. Either way a year in jail?? that's just retarded, the Humane Society and PETA have placed animal welfare higher than a human's....

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My opinion is that the laws need to be changed. If a dog, which is a potentially dangerous animal, is on my property uninvited, I should have the legal right to remove it from my property in any way I see fit. And I would expect the same treatment from others regarding my dog. If he's "trespassing" on your property, do whatever you feel like you need to do. If that includes killing the dog in a swift and humane manner, so be it. I have only myself to blame for letting my dog run around unattended.

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