dogdoc Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 A great regular season coach but not in the post season. I don't know if it is bad luck or poor coaching. Guy just can't catch a break in the playoffs. todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colts1888 Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... Watching that game, i was rooting for the Pats if you can believe that one. Anyways, i deffinitely felt like San Diego gave that one away. Brady looked horrible, and the game was all but over after his 3rd pick had that guy not fumbled the ball. The AFC title goes through Indy now. Should be a great game and i like this matchup compared to Colts/Chargers in SD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... The worst part is that San Diego had numerous chances and never capitialized on them! They deserved to loose by more than they did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... You heard it here first! I made that comment in Nick's thread earlier today. I think it's coaching. You can just see it, he gags in big games. Pats have been there before, they know how to handle the pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colts1888 Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... One play i questioned was early in game on 4th an 10. He elected to pass up a long FG attempt and went for it. Rivers got sacked. Dont understand that one. Try the FG, or punt the ball. Those possible 3 points look real big right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... San Diego gave that one away a million times all through the game. With that said, this one does not surprise me at all. New England just has a knack for winning these games. One thing San Diego needs is some receivers to catch the ball. How many drops were there yesterday? And if I'm not mistaken they did not have a TD catch by a WR for the entire season. No way you can win a Super Bowl without production from your WR's. That's why I never liked them to go all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... I get that Marty has a bad playoff record...but come on, that loss had nothing to do with him. He didn't turn the ball over, he didn't drop all those balls, and he sure didn't commit all those stupid penalties.... Marty gets a bad rap, he deserves some of it for his over use of the prevent defense during his time with Cleveland, but on more than one occassion he's players have let him down. Example...Ernest Byner and the "fumble" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... [ QUOTE ] I get that Marty has a bad playoff record...but come on, that loss had nothing to do with him. He didn't turn the ball over, he didn't drop all those balls, and he sure didn't commit all those stupid penalties.... Marty gets a bad rap, he deserves some of it for his over use of the prevent defense during his time with Cleveland, but on more than one occassion he's players have let him down. Example...Ernest Byner and the "fumble" [/ QUOTE ] I agree that Sunday's game wasn't really on him although he did make a horrible couple of play calls IMO. But, in the past I know I have seen this guy put his team into a shell in big games and choke them away on multiple occasions. It's probably not coincidence that all these bad things happen to him in the big games either. The guy just isn't that good at getting his team ready for big time games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... Cam Cameron calls the plays out there John. What always hurt him in Cleveland was going into the prevent defense with way to much time on the clock. It also took him a few failures before he realized he needed an O-Coordinator. Besides, guys like Elway and Brady have led comeback victories against him...can't fault him there either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... So you are telling me that Cleveland, KC, and San Diego all super underachieving in the playoffs while Marty was coach is just coincidence? They have all tanked in the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... Well, he does have 5 wins doesn't he? All things considered...he did more than enough to win this game, didn't he? If that guy doesn't hand his INT right back to the Pats with that fumble, Marty wins that game, doesn't he? Take it back to his Cleveland days. If Ernest Byner doesn't fumble on the goalline...Marty wins that game, right? Are you saying Marty somehow got out on to the field and forced both those fumbles? Or are you saying the stars somehow cosmically align and higher powers simply make Marty lose in the playoffs? Like I say...outside of his moronic use of the prevent defense...the dude has had some poor luck, and poor matchups against two of the best big game QB's I've ever witnessed with my own eyes. You been talking to Chris or something? That poor guy actually believes in curses. Marty's a good enough coach to go 14-2, then he's good enough to win a playoff game...its just that his team let him down. Cleveland is also not cursed...the organizaition is just bad. Come on people...put the tarot cards away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... [ QUOTE ] Well, he does have 5 wins doesn't he? All things considered...he did more than enough to win this game, didn't he? If that guy doesn't hand his INT right back to the Pats with that fumble, Marty wins that game, doesn't he? Take it back to his Cleveland days. If Ernest Byner doesn't fumble on the goalline...Marty wins that game, right? Are you saying Marty somehow got out on to the field and forced both those fumbles? Or are you saying the stars somehow cosmically align and higher powers simply make Marty lose in the playoffs? Like I say...outside of his moronic use of the prevent defense...the dude has had some poor luck, and poor matchups against two of the best big game QB's I've ever witnessed with my own eyes. You been talking to Chris or something? That poor guy actually believes in curses. Marty's a good enough coach to go 14-2, then he's good enough to win a playoff game...its just that his team let him down. Cleveland is also not cursed...the organizaition is just bad. Come on people...put the tarot cards away. [/ QUOTE ] Curses? What the heck are you talking about? I didn't say he is cursed. I said he is a poor playoff coach, he tightens up in the big game. That has nothing to do with tarot cards turbo. BTW---are you defending him just because he coached Cleveland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Well, he does have 5 wins doesn't he? All things considered...he did more than enough to win this game, didn't he? If that guy doesn't hand his INT right back to the Pats with that fumble, Marty wins that game, doesn't he? Take it back to his Cleveland days. If Ernest Byner doesn't fumble on the goalline...Marty wins that game, right? Are you saying Marty somehow got out on to the field and forced both those fumbles? Or are you saying the stars somehow cosmically align and higher powers simply make Marty lose in the playoffs? Like I say...outside of his moronic use of the prevent defense...the dude has had some poor luck, and poor matchups against two of the best big game QB's I've ever witnessed with my own eyes. You been talking to Chris or something? That poor guy actually believes in curses. Marty's a good enough coach to go 14-2, then he's good enough to win a playoff game...its just that his team let him down. Cleveland is also not cursed...the organizaition is just bad. Come on people...put the tarot cards away. [/ QUOTE ] Curses? What the heck are you talking about? I didn't say he is cursed. I said he is a poor playoff coach, he tightens up in the big game. That has nothing to do with tarot cards turbo. BTW---are you defending him just because he coached Cleveland? [/ QUOTE ] What I'm getting at is this...I guy can be 5-100 in playoff ball...but that doesn't mean that his last loss was due to his poor record. His team laid an egg, that's what cost him the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Well, he does have 5 wins doesn't he? All things considered...he did more than enough to win this game, didn't he? If that guy doesn't hand his INT right back to the Pats with that fumble, Marty wins that game, doesn't he? Take it back to his Cleveland days. If Ernest Byner doesn't fumble on the goalline...Marty wins that game, right? Are you saying Marty somehow got out on to the field and forced both those fumbles? Or are you saying the stars somehow cosmically align and higher powers simply make Marty lose in the playoffs? Like I say...outside of his moronic use of the prevent defense...the dude has had some poor luck, and poor matchups against two of the best big game QB's I've ever witnessed with my own eyes. You been talking to Chris or something? That poor guy actually believes in curses. Marty's a good enough coach to go 14-2, then he's good enough to win a playoff game...its just that his team let him down. Cleveland is also not cursed...the organizaition is just bad. Come on people...put the tarot cards away. [/ QUOTE ] Curses? What the heck are you talking about? I didn't say he is cursed. I said he is a poor playoff coach, he tightens up in the big game. That has nothing to do with tarot cards turbo. BTW---are you defending him just because he coached Cleveland? [/ QUOTE ] What I'm getting at is this...I guy can be 5-100 in playoff ball...but that doesn't mean that his last loss was due to his poor record. His team laid an egg, that's what cost him the game. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed, but why does his team lay an egg almost every single time in the playoffs....no matter where he is at? I don't think that's coincidence. That's my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Well, he does have 5 wins doesn't he? All things considered...he did more than enough to win this game, didn't he? If that guy doesn't hand his INT right back to the Pats with that fumble, Marty wins that game, doesn't he? Take it back to his Cleveland days. If Ernest Byner doesn't fumble on the goalline...Marty wins that game, right? Are you saying Marty somehow got out on to the field and forced both those fumbles? Or are you saying the stars somehow cosmically align and higher powers simply make Marty lose in the playoffs? Like I say...outside of his moronic use of the prevent defense...the dude has had some poor luck, and poor matchups against two of the best big game QB's I've ever witnessed with my own eyes. You been talking to Chris or something? That poor guy actually believes in curses. Marty's a good enough coach to go 14-2, then he's good enough to win a playoff game...its just that his team let him down. Cleveland is also not cursed...the organizaition is just bad. Come on people...put the tarot cards away. [/ QUOTE ] Curses? What the heck are you talking about? I didn't say he is cursed. I said he is a poor playoff coach, he tightens up in the big game. That has nothing to do with tarot cards turbo. BTW---are you defending him just because he coached Cleveland? [/ QUOTE ] What I'm getting at is this...I guy can be 5-100 in playoff ball...but that doesn't mean that his last loss was due to his poor record. His team laid an egg, that's what cost him the game. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed, but why does his team lay an egg almost every single time in the playoffs....no matter where he is at? I don't think that's coincidence. That's my point. [/ QUOTE ] For one, I think he's been able to get his teams to overacheive during the regular season. Like I said...John Elway, Tom Brady...pretty tough competition. I'm guessing if Marty had a big name QB like that on his team...he'd have a Belilchik type record and he'd be the one label the "genius." Maybe then he could wear the PJ's on the sideline and be concidered "quirky" by the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Well, he does have 5 wins doesn't he? All things considered...he did more than enough to win this game, didn't he? If that guy doesn't hand his INT right back to the Pats with that fumble, Marty wins that game, doesn't he? Take it back to his Cleveland days. If Ernest Byner doesn't fumble on the goalline...Marty wins that game, right? Are you saying Marty somehow got out on to the field and forced both those fumbles? Or are you saying the stars somehow cosmically align and higher powers simply make Marty lose in the playoffs? Like I say...outside of his moronic use of the prevent defense...the dude has had some poor luck, and poor matchups against two of the best big game QB's I've ever witnessed with my own eyes. You been talking to Chris or something? That poor guy actually believes in curses. Marty's a good enough coach to go 14-2, then he's good enough to win a playoff game...its just that his team let him down. Cleveland is also not cursed...the organizaition is just bad. Come on people...put the tarot cards away. [/ QUOTE ] Curses? What the heck are you talking about? I didn't say he is cursed. I said he is a poor playoff coach, he tightens up in the big game. That has nothing to do with tarot cards turbo. BTW---are you defending him just because he coached Cleveland? [/ QUOTE ] What I'm getting at is this...I guy can be 5-100 in playoff ball...but that doesn't mean that his last loss was due to his poor record. His team laid an egg, that's what cost him the game. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed, but why does his team lay an egg almost every single time in the playoffs....no matter where he is at? I don't think that's coincidence. That's my point. [/ QUOTE ] For one, I think he's been able to get his teams to overacheive during the regular season. Like I said...John Elway, Tom Brady...pretty tough competition. I'm guessing if Marty had a big name QB like that on his team...he'd have a Belilchik type record and he'd be the one label the "genius." Maybe then he could wear the PJ's on the sideline and be concidered "quirky" by the media. [/ QUOTE ] Speaking of which, did you notice Bill cut the sleeves of his gray hoodie? LMAO...are you freaking kidding me? I was about to call the homeless shelter for him. Wow, could you look any less like a millionaire then that guy does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Well, he does have 5 wins doesn't he? All things considered...he did more than enough to win this game, didn't he? If that guy doesn't hand his INT right back to the Pats with that fumble, Marty wins that game, doesn't he? Take it back to his Cleveland days. If Ernest Byner doesn't fumble on the goalline...Marty wins that game, right? Are you saying Marty somehow got out on to the field and forced both those fumbles? Or are you saying the stars somehow cosmically align and higher powers simply make Marty lose in the playoffs? Like I say...outside of his moronic use of the prevent defense...the dude has had some poor luck, and poor matchups against two of the best big game QB's I've ever witnessed with my own eyes. You been talking to Chris or something? That poor guy actually believes in curses. Marty's a good enough coach to go 14-2, then he's good enough to win a playoff game...its just that his team let him down. Cleveland is also not cursed...the organizaition is just bad. Come on people...put the tarot cards away. [/ QUOTE ] Curses? What the heck are you talking about? I didn't say he is cursed. I said he is a poor playoff coach, he tightens up in the big game. That has nothing to do with tarot cards turbo. BTW---are you defending him just because he coached Cleveland? [/ QUOTE ] What I'm getting at is this...I guy can be 5-100 in playoff ball...but that doesn't mean that his last loss was due to his poor record. His team laid an egg, that's what cost him the game. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed, but why does his team lay an egg almost every single time in the playoffs....no matter where he is at? I don't think that's coincidence. That's my point. [/ QUOTE ] For one, I think he's been able to get his teams to overacheive during the regular season. Like I said...John Elway, Tom Brady...pretty tough competition. I'm guessing if Marty had a big name QB like that on his team...he'd have a Belilchik type record and he'd be the one label the "genius." Maybe then he could wear the PJ's on the sideline and be concidered "quirky" by the media. [/ QUOTE ] Speaking of which, did you notice Bill cut the sleeves of his gray hoodie? LMAO...are you freaking kidding me? I was about to call the homeless shelter for him. Wow, could you look any less like a millionaire then that guy does? [/ QUOTE ] Sometimes, I honestly think the guys trying to live up to the whole "mad scientist" label a little to much. I remember when he was hear in Cleveland, he'd always tell the media how he'd work 18 hour days in preparation to the game...then he'd come out and run Eric Metcalf (a tiny, shifty RB) straight up the gut and gain 1 yard if anything. He did this for two straight seasons. I was like 10 years old, and I could only think "18 hour days for that?" Let me be the first to say "THANKS FOR THE CAREER TOM BRADY" because you know Bellichik doesn't have enough class to say it himself...even though Brady's arm pretty much opened the door to Canton for the sleeveless wonder. Speaking of classless acts. Did you see him throw that photographer out of his way? What a DB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Well, he does have 5 wins doesn't he? All things considered...he did more than enough to win this game, didn't he? If that guy doesn't hand his INT right back to the Pats with that fumble, Marty wins that game, doesn't he? Take it back to his Cleveland days. If Ernest Byner doesn't fumble on the goalline...Marty wins that game, right? Are you saying Marty somehow got out on to the field and forced both those fumbles? Or are you saying the stars somehow cosmically align and higher powers simply make Marty lose in the playoffs? Like I say...outside of his moronic use of the prevent defense...the dude has had some poor luck, and poor matchups against two of the best big game QB's I've ever witnessed with my own eyes. You been talking to Chris or something? That poor guy actually believes in curses. Marty's a good enough coach to go 14-2, then he's good enough to win a playoff game...its just that his team let him down. Cleveland is also not cursed...the organizaition is just bad. Come on people...put the tarot cards away. [/ QUOTE ] Curses? What the heck are you talking about? I didn't say he is cursed. I said he is a poor playoff coach, he tightens up in the big game. That has nothing to do with tarot cards turbo. BTW---are you defending him just because he coached Cleveland? [/ QUOTE ] Lord this is going to hurt, but.......... Ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... let's see...he's record is 5-14 in the playoffs right now, right? For the sake of arguement, lets say his team doesn't lay an egg on Sunday, and lets also say Ernest Byner doesn't fumble at the goaline and Marty's team wins both of those games. That would make him 7-12 in postseason play. Not great...but certainly not a record you would say is terrible. Considering that its probably safe to say, that more that 2 of his 19 games weren't necessarily because Marty chokes, or tightens up in the playoffs...he'd most likely be around a .500 playoff coach. Would you then say he just can't win in the playoffs? btw- as a side note...making it to 19 playoff games isn't that bad ey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Well, he does have 5 wins doesn't he? All things considered...he did more than enough to win this game, didn't he? If that guy doesn't hand his INT right back to the Pats with that fumble, Marty wins that game, doesn't he? Take it back to his Cleveland days. If Ernest Byner doesn't fumble on the goalline...Marty wins that game, right? Are you saying Marty somehow got out on to the field and forced both those fumbles? Or are you saying the stars somehow cosmically align and higher powers simply make Marty lose in the playoffs? Like I say...outside of his moronic use of the prevent defense...the dude has had some poor luck, and poor matchups against two of the best big game QB's I've ever witnessed with my own eyes. You been talking to Chris or something? That poor guy actually believes in curses. Marty's a good enough coach to go 14-2, then he's good enough to win a playoff game...its just that his team let him down. Cleveland is also not cursed...the organizaition is just bad. Come on people...put the tarot cards away. [/ QUOTE ] Curses? What the heck are you talking about? I didn't say he is cursed. I said he is a poor playoff coach, he tightens up in the big game. That has nothing to do with tarot cards turbo. BTW---are you defending him just because he coached Cleveland? [/ QUOTE ] Lord this is going to hurt, but.......... Ditto. [/ QUOTE ] Don't lie, it felt good didn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... For what it is worth, have always thought Marty was a good coach. There are a lot of good coaches that miss winning the big games, player pressure or whatever the reason, sometimes it might not be all the coaches fault. How many times did Elway get close, was Reeves to blame for their lack of ability in the post season before they finally ended up getting there and winning? Tony Dungy in my opinion is a great coach, I really think highly of him as a coach. Dungy in my opinion set the Bucs for their super bowl win that Gruden got credit for. Dungy has had the colts how close how many times now though? Maybe this will be his year, but if Manning screws it up, will Dungy also be looked at the same way as Schotenheimer(sp) for not being able to get it done in the post season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... [ QUOTE ] Dungy in my opinion set the Bucs for their super bowl win that Gruden got credit for. [/ QUOTE ] This is a great point. I've heard a lot of people say making the change to Gruden is finally what did it for the Bucs...but what about the foundation Dungy laid prior to Gruden getting there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Dungy in my opinion set the Bucs for their super bowl win that Gruden got credit for. [/ QUOTE ] This is a great point. I've heard a lot of people say making the change to Gruden is finally what did it for the Bucs...but what about the foundation Dungy laid prior to Gruden getting there? [/ QUOTE ] Yep, and things have since fallen completely apart for that team. Even if Dungy once again falls short, he still in my opinion is a great coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdoc Posted January 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... There is no question that Dungy and Marty are great coaches. But to take that next step you've got to learn how to win the big game. Sure the coach doesn't throw the ball, fumble the ball, or drop the ball--but a coach has to know how to psychologically set your players up for success and how to handle the big games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Re: Marty loses another one.... [ QUOTE ] Sure the coach doesn't throw the ball, fumble the ball, or drop the ball--but a coach has to know how to psychologically set your players up for success and how to handle the big games [/ QUOTE ] This is true Todd, and at the same time those players who are considered to be truly the best also have the drive inside of them that a coach may or may not be able to control. Marino is a perfect example. How great was Shula, why was it that under the great coach one of the best QB's(ability wise) of all time was never able to win the superbowl? Pressure is just that, sure coaches can better help players to deal with it, but a strong team leader or leaders in key positions in combination with decent coaching can also make a team, likewise some coaches can have good players in those same positions that just dont seem to have that winning edge mentally for the big games, and they can lose those big games even though the coach has done everything right he possibly can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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