IRAQ

[johnf]

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I think rangers plan is better than mine.

[Guest michael_bolton]

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"Make no mistake, this is a holy war. Untill this kind of hate religion is wiped off the face of the earth we will have this problem.

There is a reason why biblical wars were of "biblical proportions" If you wipe them out, you don't have to deal with them anymore."

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[mike]

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you can not wipe out the terrorists! to think that is rediculous! you are talking millions of people across the globe! they are everywhere! this is a war that can't be won! thats why GW decided to fight it over there and not here! doesn't anyone get this! they are training and breeding these people faster than they can be killed! I HAVE YET TO HEAR A GOOD SOLUTION! they want to wipe out christianity,we don't want to wipe out muslims! just radical extremists!

[johnf]

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I don't think we should "Want" to wipe anyone out. But what we want is not always what needs to be done.

[wtnhunt]

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I don't think we should "Want" to wipe anyone out. But what we want is not always what needs to be done.

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Kind of have to agree with this. It is in the best interest of securing a safer environment for our children and the future, by wiping out the terrorists, or at least making them understand that we will come after them instead of sitting on our thumbs. Dont think however that should be confused to mean that we want to wipe out a particular complete religion.

[Guest Hunter36]

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I think as president I would make movements to lock down the Iraq and fully control the borders then turn and flip that country inside out and make no exceptions and no guesses as to who is involved in what. Anybody trying to get in the way is supporting our enemies and thats it.

I think people need to also realize that the president isnt making all these alone and he is consulting with many high power people in the government that think the same as him and many that think differently than him. I agree to remove reporters and people who are helping the insergants with their sypathetic ideas and actions.

[SaskMan]

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Realtree started in the U.S so I better not comment, it won't be welcome.

[buckee]

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Realtree started in the U.S so I better not comment, it won't be welcome.

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It's OK, I got your back and so does Realtree

[johnf]

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Just PM it to me and I'll say it. No one will no.

[Canadian_Goose]

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What if it was a socialist comment.. would you still post it then john ....

Get the boys and girls outta there ASAP... its the P in that Acronym that worries me though!

[johnf]

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What if it was a socialist comment.. would you still post it then john ....

Get the boys and girls outta there ASAP... its the P in that Acronym that worries me though!

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Yes, I'd just have to do some "creative editing"

[mike]

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like i said in my post.. not an entire religion just the extremists. but they want to wipe out us as christians totally.

[OUTSIDER]

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Take their oil, Pull all troops, Maintain taking their oil, Drop massive bombs, have big hold in desert for oil to accumulate. End of story.

[craig mack]

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I would make Bush move over there to finish what he started!!!! He can run that country for all I care. There is more terrorist there now than there has ever been. I dont see that changing anytime soon. Besides I thought the reason we were in the mid east anyways was to find Bin Laden?

[Brianxt]

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I say we pull all our troops out and let the teriost have that place for 6 months a year .Let them get comfy then fly a couple stealth over and turn the hole country into a parking lot

[johnf]

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There are innocent people there you know.

When I was in school I worked at Epcot Center for a summer and lived with a Muslem from Meraco. We were talking religion 1 day and he was suprised that Christians actually believed in the bible. He said that the majority of muslems weren't very religious and many of them didn't believe anything at all. They just followed the rules that the religious leaders made them follow because they had to.

If these folks weren't so afraid of being killed over it, there would probibly be a lot of converts.

Another solution my wife and I were discussing is spliting Iraq into autonomous states ruled by the tribes that lived there and having a very small centralized government on the federal level. One probible problem would be border disputes.

[wtnhunt]

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Another solution my wife and I were discussing is spliting Iraq into autonomous states ruled by the tribes that lived there and having a very small centralized government on the federal level. One probible problem would be border disputes.

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Dont know John, but would tend to think that would only increase tension and escalate violence. In my opinion there really needs to be an unbiased governing body over the entire country that takes out the differing religious and cultural views from the politics there.

[johnf]

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That would be the best solution, but where are going to get an unbiased government and unbiased soldiers to carry out their orders around there?

I don't honestly think it's possible.

I imagine even our soldiers are becomeing pretty tainted against some of the factions there.

[Canadian_Goose]

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The problem I believe with the above solution (aside from boarder disputes) pertains to the required level of soveirgnty (sp) that must accompany and individual counrty. Will these countries be indepentently recognized on the world market (despite the sanctions), how much control will this weak sub central government have. It is ahrd enough distributing power amoung agreeing occupants (ex: Canada's 1867 Constitution Act). To try and dispense power amoung a fractured nation would be near impossible I would think. But honestly John it is one of the best ideas I have heard in the long time. I am begging to fear that there is no solution to the troubles over there, or at least we can't concieve any solution.

[johnf]

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I'm thinking more of a confederation of "states" that would be more autonomous than ours with a central government comprised of representatives that would take care of border disputes, infrastructure and would represent the region at the U.N. and other worthless functions.

I would think the least this would do is to get the less radical Iraquis out of harms way.

[Canadian_Goose]

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True, I feel this is a rather tangible concept. It's unfortunate that that region happens to be as volitile as it is now.

[oldksnarc]

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Back in the 60’s and 70’s we sent a lot of our young people to Southeast Asia to help a small nation fight the infection and spread of communism. A highly honorable mission - and I thought so as I shipped out, served and came home. Call me idealistic, but I still believe in what I was called to do.

Then the liberals, the media, and the politicians got in the middle of Viet Nam and turned it into a political quagmire. As a result, we tucked tail and pulled out and communism took its hold and over 50,000 American lives were lost and nearly 3,000 are still listed as POW/MIA/KIA. Talk about an exercise in futility. However, in the end, the threat of communism is not today what is was then. So, maybe it wasn't totally futile.

Since the early 70’s radical extremists have attacked us and others around the world trying to force their way of thinking on the rest of the world - much the same as communism tried to do. Terrorists have killed hundreds of thousands of people during the last couple decades and we finally had a leader who said enough is enough and the time for talking and “touchy-feely” diplomacy was past.

There have been mistakes made. No one person or assembly of think tanks or experts can accurately predict the outcome of any action. No one person or assembly of think tanks or experts will make the right decision at the right time. But, at least someone is trying.

Mistakes have been made. Actions have had to be re-thought and different courses determined and tried.

There are over a billion Muslims around the world. Not all of them are radical extremists. No one would honestly decide to kill ALL the Muslims. But, the radical extremists should come to know what killing fields are. Everyone of them should be executed on the spot. Anyone aligning (supporting, defending, aiding) themselves with the extremists should experience the same fate. Eventually attrition and a realization of certain death will have the effect of reducing the number of extremists - because they will either come to fear death or come to realize there are not enough Muslim virgins for every whacko to get their 72 virgins.

What would I do if I were President? I thank God I’m not. But, I do believe President Bush has done what he thought was right in the face of the real threat of the radical extremists and to protect the United States - and every other person around the world who is a potential victim of their violence. I would rather see them killed over there than have to fight them in our streets. As a police officer, I feel extremely impotent when I think of having to fight those battles here. Becuase, I know we don’t have the ability to keep them from committing their violence here - if they really wanted to or really tried.

Granted, the President and his advisors have been slow in improving, adapting and overcoming what is, and will be, an uphill battle for several years to come.

Were President Bush to move to Iraq (as has been suggested) he would leave it better than he found it - the same as he has done with the US. At least he has been willing to do something other than make threats and blow holes in the desert with a dozen cruise missiles as a show of force that had absolutely no affect.

But, history is doomed to repeat itself because we again listen to the liberals here in the US, in the media, around the world (and even on this forum) who would say we need to pull out? Do we let history repeat itself so soon and tuck our tail and make the lives lost so far be for naught?

I would pray we don’t. Can you imagine the courage and determination the radical extremists would muster from our lack thereof?

I told my nephew when he returned from Iraq to never be ashamed of his service because, before the war was over, the liberals and politicians would surely politicize the war.

That’s where we’re at today.

[johnf]

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When the Japanese bombed Pearl, in the midst of all the celebration among the Japanese, one officer said that he feard that they had woken a sleeping giant. He was right.

When President Clinton pulled the troops out of Somlia after the "Black Hawk Down" incident. Osama Binladin called the U.S. a Paper Tiger that was afraid to bleed. That was the beginning of a brash escilation of terror attacks that peaked with 9/11 and seems to be gaining power again.

Mark my words. If we pull out of Iraq we will be fighting this war on our streets and in our cities.

[drkillemquick]

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When the Japanese bombed Pearl, in the midst of all the celebration among the Japanese, one officer said that he feard that they had woken a sleeping giant. He was right.

When President Clinton pulled the troops out of Somlia after the "Black Hawk Down" incident. Osama Binladin called the U.S. a Paper Tiger that was afraid to bleed. That was the beginning of a brash escilation of terror attacks that peaked with 9/11 and seems to be gaining power again.

Mark my words. If we pull out of Iraq we will be fighting this war on our streets and in our cities.

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I agree John, we must take the fight to them, or they will bring it to us! Pulling out of Iraq will not end the war, just change the location of the battles!

[wtnhunt]

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When the Japanese bombed Pearl, in the midst of all the celebration among the Japanese, one officer said that he feard that they had woken a sleeping giant. He was right.

When President Clinton pulled the troops out of Somlia after the "Black Hawk Down" incident. Osama Binladin called the U.S. a Paper Tiger that was afraid to bleed. That was the beginning of a brash escilation of terror attacks that peaked with 9/11 and seems to be gaining power again.

Mark my words. If we pull out of Iraq we will be fighting this war on our streets and in our cities.

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I agree John, we must take the fight to them, or they will bring it to us! Pulling out of Iraq will not end the war, just change the location of the battles!

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Unfortunately I am afraid this is true. Shame is the liberals are on their way to leading us down a path of being open for more serious attacks right here on our home soil. I hope and pray they dont get what they want.