vagobbln Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 I thought this was an interesting take. How many tax dollars would we save if we instituted this guy's idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3whunt Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Urine Testing great idea. I agree whole-heartedly.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Urine Testing But drug addiction is a disease. Are we going to punish them for having a disease? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Urine Testing in one way i also think it is a disease but on the other hand didnt they make a choice(a bad one at that) to make themselves susceptable to that "disease"? thats how i see it. they say you only have to do meth once to get addicted. i have a pretty good feeling that they know that before they do meth. so they are choosing to get that "disease." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Urine Testing Great Idea! [ QUOTE ] But drug addiction is a disease. Are we going to punish them for having a disease? [/ QUOTE ] Yes and no. Up the criteria for those on welfare so help weed it down to those who actually need it! Granted its a disease but it would help detour people from using even so much as weed. If they continued to wast their lives and stay on that path we wouldn't have to fund it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Urine Testing [ QUOTE ] But drug addiction is a disease. Are we going to punish them for having a disease? [/ QUOTE ] John, I usually agree with you.. but this time I don't see eye to eye on this topic... Self Inflicted Drug Addiction isn't a disease,, it's exactly what it's descriptions says it is,,, an ADDICTION,, just like smoking... If I hadn't of quit smoking,, should you as a taxpayer be responsible for buying my smokes for me ??? ... Now if these same dollars were to be used for a cure/solution to the addiction I'd be more willing to accept that one... LOL.. I totally missed John's sarcasm... I figured we were on the same page... ,,, sorry Bud... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkoholic Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Urine Testing Addiction is not a disease. That is a poor excuse for living a shameful lifestyle. Most of us on here are addicted to hunting. Do we have a disease? There are people who are truly in need. Then, there are people who know how to play the system and those who are just a waste. In my eyes everyone should have to carry their share of the load and be of some use to society. I do not believe in helping those who will not help themselves. I believe in a hand up not a hand out. I believe that when you get to 6th and 7th generation Medicaid/Welfare families who believe that the Government owes them.....well we have a problem. These people are proud that they have public assistance when they should be sorry that they need it and thankful that they can get it. For some, the American Dream is to live off the sweat of others. Over 40% of my income goes to state and federal taxes and it makes me very angry to think of how it is spent on entitlement programs. If you are able and you don't work, you don't eat. Pretty simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vagobbln Posted January 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Urine Testing Hmmm. Some of you guys are reading much more into this than I did. You seem to be making the assumption that anyone on welfare who uses drugs is an addict. I didn't get the feeling the guy who wrote the editorial was talking about feeding addictions. Not every drug user is an addict. There are plenty of people out there who would rather just stay at home all day, shoot basketball and use my tax dollars to buy'em a couple joints to smoke after they're through. I assumed these were the sorry, no-good, lazy leeches he was talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Urine Testing [ QUOTE ] But drug addiction is a disease. Are we going to punish them for having a disease? [/ QUOTE ] That is a bunch of horse-pucky!! Nobody made those people suck that crap up their nose in the first place or shoot it in their arms! Disease, my foot! That is a great idea to test the welfare recipentants and if they fail, no more money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckslayer Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Urine Testing [ QUOTE ] That is a bunch of horse-pucky!! Nobody made those people suck that crap up their nose in the first place or shoot it in their arms! Disease, my foot! That is a great idea to test the welfare recipentants and if they fail, no more money! [/ QUOTE ] Couldn't have said it any better. I HATE that I pay thousands each year to support lazy bums out there -- I just don't get why people don't feel like crap if they don't create a decent home for their kids, and put supper on the table. If I were in their shoes I would never spend that money on drugs and make my family suffer the consequences. Sure, there are many good folks out there in need of some help. THOSE people should get all the money that those who can't pass the urine test can't have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beardbustr Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Urine Testing good idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntn4bucks Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Urine Testing The man has a good point. Great idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Urine Testing [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] That is a bunch of horse-pucky!! Nobody made those people suck that crap up their nose in the first place or shoot it in their arms! Disease, my foot! That is a great idea to test the welfare recipentants and if they fail, no more money! [/ QUOTE ] Couldn't have said it any better. I HATE that I pay thousands each year to support lazy bums out there -- I just don't get why people don't feel like crap if they don't create a decent home for their kids, and put supper on the table. If I were in their shoes I would never spend that money on drugs and make my family suffer the consequences. Sure, there are many good folks out there in need of some help. THOSE people should get all the money that those who can't pass the urine test can't have. [/ QUOTE ] Makes sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest realtrhunter Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Urine Testing I agree with most on this topic. Welfare was started to help people out for a short time not to live off of, even Soc Security and welfare for handicapped was added at later dates b/c a politian wanted a vote. Don't take me wrong I think hadicapped should be helped if they need the assistance, my cousin is one of them. But when people start living off of it it makes me sick knowing that my hard earned money is going to feed them instead of going to something usefull like shrinking the deficiet or buying a set of body armour for a soldier or a police officer. My idea has always been that a LEGAL CITIZEN can get assistance for a period of time and must actively look for work. If at the end of that time period they are unable to find work then they should have to go to work on a farm where as a COMMUNITY they grow food and learn how to sustain themselves. All the time still being given assistance on finding a job. Sorry for the soap box, but I get a bit worked up on subjects like these. I've been told some of my ideas are too harsh or not Ploitically Correct so I guess I wont try to run for president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcwa Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Urine Testing That just makes to much sence. I'm in favor of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyohunter Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Urine Testing get er done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Re: Urine Testing Sorry guys, I just had to say it. It's been fun seeing the reaction and getting a rise out of you. I think drug addicts are sad people who've gotten their lives out of control and need help. I've got a good friend who got hooked on meth and has payed dearly for it. He has told me many times. "Don't trust me, I'm an addict, I'm clean now, but I'm still and addict." Constant testing is the only thing keeping him clean at this point. I think it should be manditory for anyone on assistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetailkiller Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Re: Urine Testing [ QUOTE ] But drug addiction is a disease. Are we going to punish them for having a disease? [/ QUOTE ] drug addiction is not a disease that you just catch!!!!!!!!!! you have to abuse drugs to become an addict!!!!!! if they want help we should help them but lets not give them checks to help pay for thier habbitt!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Re: Urine Testing i like the idea, and it should be done. disease, my foot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowJoe Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Re: Urine Testing Here's my plan for getting the deadbeats off the system by helping everyone out. I say that unless you have a government doctor's certified disability, you will work. You can sweep a floor or empty a garbage can or operate a cash register. How do we get them back working? Provide free child care morning noon and night. How do we avoid having kids like it's a game? SNip Snip on the welfare guys and the same for the women. You fix several problems. You control the urban sprawl of overpopulated urban and rural areas where the poor are most rampant and welfare is most prevailent. Eliminate the excuses boy and girls and you start to weed out (pun intended) the wheat from the chaff. You can't afford to have kids? Good... then you won't have anymore. You say you can't find a job and raise your kids? Good... then we'll watch them for you and give them a proper education not urbanomix or a front porch edumacation. You smoke the wacky weed or like to get iced up? Then we'll test you and if you test positive you have 6 mos to get clean. You test every month and if you test positive for 3 mos out of the 6 and guess what? You lose your kids and your money. Try again in 6 mos. Use the money to rehabilitate those that come voluntarily for help and for more police in areas where there is sure to be an up-rising of unsatisfied mooches. Fill the prisons up and let them kill themselves over their own ignorance. You commit a crime, you face harsher penalties. Think of how much money would be saved if you stopped the generations of mooches. Billions in the first couple years alone. Just eliminate the excuses. And... tell jesse and al to keep their mouths shut. You know they'll be against it since it affects "their people" the most. That's a reference quote from both of their mouths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Re: Urine Testing [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] But drug addiction is a disease. Are we going to punish them for having a disease? [/ QUOTE ] That is a bunch of horse-pucky!! Nobody made those people suck that crap up their nose in the first place or shoot it in their arms! Disease, my foot! That is a great idea to test the welfare recipentants and if they fail, no more money! [/ QUOTE ] Could not agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sureshot_10 Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Re: Urine Testing [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] But drug addiction is a disease. Are we going to punish them for having a disease? [/ QUOTE ] John, I usually agree with you.. but this time I don't see eye to eye on this topic... Self Inflicted Drug Addiction isn't a disease,, it's exactly what it's descriptions says it is,,, an ADDICTION,, just like smoking... If I hadn't of quit smoking,, should you as a taxpayer be responsible for buying my smokes for me ??? ... Now if these same dollars were to be used for a cure/solution to the addiction I'd be more willing to accept that one... LOL.. I totally missed John's sarcasm... I figured we were on the same page... ,,, sorry Bud... [/ QUOTE ] I am with ya i believe that it isnt a disease and they made their own choice to become addicted and we should not have to pay for their addiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetailkiller Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Re: Urine Testing i say three strikes your out....test posotive 3 times and your done ..no more assistance for you!!!!!!!! and i mean three times ever not in a row or in a 6 month period .....i mean 3 times ever!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Re: Urine Testing It's like everything else.... It isn't a disease it is a choice but at some point after you indulge enough, it will take over your life. You no longer have a want to or a conscious choice. It is in control now. That goes for porn addictions, alcohol addictions, and drug addictions. I have seen more than one really great person become a thief, a liar, and a junkie using prescription pain killers that were prescribed for a valid reason. It seems that some people just can't say no. It may be a predisposition due to environmental factors and experience, but it isn't some disease you are born with or catch. That's why I think it is a crying shame to see fathers drinking in front of their kids. What a shame. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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