muggs Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 The US Army has recovered weapons, that by tracing the serial numbers, can be proven to have come from Iran. This isn't good. Add this to the tension created over Iran's nukes and I think we could be heading down a very, very rough road here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkrie1357 Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias This is a no win situation for either side! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias This is nothing new. they are called proxy conflicts. The cold war was the same thing except on a larger scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias follow it a bit further, and it will be the russians building them, and the chinese financing them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias [ QUOTE ] follow it a bit further, and it will be the russians building them, and the chinese financing them... [/ QUOTE ] And we, the US, are buying everything from China, so we are financing our own destruction! Then we turn around and give away all the technology along with it! Great trading partner we are!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias "Sell them enough rope and the capitalists will hang themselves". Lenin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias Really cannot see where this is at all surprising. Our history will we ever learn. Seems we have on more than one past occasion armed those who have ended up being our enemies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias These are all good points guys. But I think you're all missing the bigger picture. This was not the case in the beginning of the war. Iran just recently started selling weapons to the insurgents. Obviously its a direct response to the verbal conflict going on over Iran's nukes. An outright act of deviance...actually, I'd consider it an act of aggression. Some hornets nest ole' Bushy has gotten us into. Nevermind the 1.2 trillion we've wasted over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias [ QUOTE ] An outright act of deviance...actually, I'd consider it an act of aggression. [/ QUOTE ] Think it has been made quite obvious that Iran's president and a few other of his buddies hate us and would like nothing better than to instigate more problems. That in mind, I guess it is kind of surprising that Iran is selling the weapons to them and not giving them to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias [ QUOTE ] Some hornets nest ole' Bushy has gotten us into. Nevermind the 1.2 trillion we've wasted over there. [/ QUOTE ] So, where would you rather fight them??? And how would the money have been better spent?? The democrats have spent over $7,000,000,000,000,000 on the "war on poverty" in America. They haven't won that yet. All we've got to show for it is $7,000,000,000,000,000 worth of poverty. Nobody's asking to see an exit strategy on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias wtn- I just don't think the US Military has the numbers to start a campaign against any other country. That's probably what scares me the most. Strut- How would I have better spent the money...probably on nothing important. Maybe just our terrible education system, maybe building up Katrina ravaged areas, maybe some cash thrown into Homeland Security especially in airports and sea ports, use it to create more jobs, heck maybe even develop some sort of incentive program to keep our major corporations from going overseas....could possibly use it combat illegal immigration...just a few thoughts off the top of my head. If I gave it some time, I could probably come up with a list of 500 things in about an hour. [ QUOTE ] So, where would you rather fight them??? [/ QUOTE ] Fight who? Osama is from Saudi Arabia. [ QUOTE ] The democrats have spent over $7,000,000,000,000,000 on the "war on poverty" in America. They haven't won that yet. All we've got to show for it is $7,000,000,000,000,000 worth of poverty. Nobody's asking to see an exit strategy on that. [/ QUOTE ] Who's talking about Demo's? That's what I love about the Right. As soon as you call out their obvious blunders they immediately say "well, look at the left nah nah nah nah." That doesn't cut the mustard with me. I realize the guy likes to bass fish. But Bush is by far the one of the worst Presidents of our great nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias [ QUOTE ] Fight who? Osama is from Saudi Arabia. [/ QUOTE ] And so are a lot of the terrorists we're killing in Iraq. Iraq creates a "low spot" to which all the slime in the middle east runs. It's a lot easier if you have them come looking for you than vice-versa. [ QUOTE ] But Bush is by far the one of the worst Presidents of our great nation. [/ QUOTE ] Well..........you know what they say opinions are like and why............... You and your like-thinking folks can go around touting whatever Cindy Sheehan talking point you like. History will judge this president. Depending upon who wins in '08.........the history may be a short one. Evidently you're not old enough to remember Clinton or Carter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias [ QUOTE ] wtn- I just don't think the US Military has the numbers to start a campaign against any other country. That's probably what scares me the most. [/ QUOTE ] I would agree Eric. Thanks to someone in past leadership of this country or military was downsized to cut budget. Go figure, who'd of ever think with our technology we would have soldiers in the field in large numbers combating unknown suicidal assassins. [ QUOTE ] I realize the guy likes to bass fish. But Bush is by far the one of the worst Presidents of our great nation. [/ QUOTE ] Pretty easy to make assumptions, but if Al Gore or John Kerry had been in office what really might they have done all that differently. Some might argue that if Gore had been in office when we were attacked, that he would have sat there with his thumb up his rear and left us open to more future attacks by not retaliating and thus giving an open invitation to more attacks. Don't know, easy to speculate could of and maybes. If Kerry got into office with his plan that was not ever a plan again who knows where we might be differently. Bottom line, most of our legislators felt the need to take the battle to the enemy where they were, when it became unpopular due to higher casualties than some expected and overblown poor coverage of the media, these very same legislators jumped ship and said we never should have went. Seems to me to be almost kind of sort of in a way consistent with what a traitor would do in a way to abandon our troops all because of politics and how favorable it makes you look. Some might even speculate that if this war had not become unpopular due to the media and what is obvious in the way of casualties that it might still have the support of those same legislators that are calling it a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias [ QUOTE ] But Bush is by far the one of the worst Presidents of our great nation. [/ QUOTE ] I suspect history will judge otherwise. He IS in one of the most difficult situations of any U.S. President. He is waging a war against an elusive enemy that launched an unprovoked attack on innocent U.S. civilians and that has sworn to kill EVERY person who does not agree with their particular brand of Islam. And he has to conduct the campaign without the support of the opposition party, who are more interested in gaining political power than defeating the enemy. Add to that the short sightedness of a significant number of our fellow countrymen who, for reasons beyond my comprehension, believe that if we just ignore the Middle East, everything will be fine and dandy here at home, and we find a President who is being forced by circumstances to maintain an unpopular position because he knows that it is in the best interest of the nation. A man of lesser character, like Bill Clinton, would have cut and ran at the first sign of sagging poll numbers. It takes someone with courage and convictions to do the right thing even when so many around him are screaming for retreat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias [ QUOTE ] .......... when it became unpopular due to higher casualties than some expected and overblown poor coverage of the media, these very same legislators jumped ship and said we never should have went. [/ QUOTE ] Pretty sad statement on the fortitude of a nation when 3000 of our own die in 2 hours at the hands of terrorist scum and we can't justify the sacrifice of 3000 of our own over 4 years to kill them back. Under the same logic, the castrated, yellow left would have had our troops at Normandy turning tail and running before they ever hit the beach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias [ QUOTE ] And so are a lot of the terrorists we're killing in Iraq. Iraq creates a "low spot" to which all the slime in the middle east runs. It's a lot easier if you have them come looking for you than vice-versa. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with you to a point, and I used to feel the same exact way. But now really, I think all Iraq created was a place where all anti-American muslims can travel to kill young American men and women. Not to mention, create a civil war while they're at it. Its an unwinnable war. Period. [ QUOTE ] You and your like-thinking folks [/ QUOTE ] Enlighten me?? I make no claim to belong to any political party. I voted for Bush. Only because I thought he was the lesser of two evils. I'm starting to regret that decision, even though I'm pretty sure our economy wouldn't be better of with Kerry in office. But, I don't think we'd be the spot we're in if the stuttering Bush would not have been elected. I'm most definitely not going to vote for whatever Demo is up for election in the upcoming election. McCain gets my vote. [ QUOTE ] Well..........you know what they say opinions are like and why............... [/ QUOTE ] Likewise, I'm sure you know what they say about people who make assumptions. Sheehan is the devil. Again though Strut. By mearly diverting the flaws of the current administration only weakens your point. Instead, why don't you make an arguement saying the war in Iraq is a good thing? I don't claim to understand warfare...but even I knew Iraq would end up like this. Did the Bush administration not see an insurgency as a possible outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias [ QUOTE ] A man of lesser character, like Bill Clinton, would have cut and ran at the first sign of sagging poll numbers. It takes someone with courage and convictions to do the right thing even when so many around him are screaming for retreat. [/ QUOTE ] Amen!! God bless George W. Bush and I thank Him that he leads us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias [ QUOTE ] Thanks to someone in past leadership of this country or military was downsized to cut budget. [/ QUOTE ] I won't argue that point. Again, I'm not a democrat. If I'm anything, I'm a Realist. Matter of fact, I've never once voted that way (in the two elections I've been of age for). I won't go down swinging in support of a failed Republican administartion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias [ QUOTE ] unprovoked attack on innocent U.S. civilians [/ QUOTE ] Umprovoked? Umm....I think the US backing and arming nations like Saudi Arabi and Isreal has done 100% of the provoking. [ QUOTE ] sworn to kill EVERY person who does not agree with their particular brand of Islam. [/ QUOTE ] You can't honestly believe that is his sole purpose, can you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias [ QUOTE ] If I'm anything, I'm a Realist. [/ QUOTE ] A "realist" would not paint W with such a broad brush as to call him one of the worst presidents in our history. Sorry. That don't wash with me. [ QUOTE ] But I am realistic, and I won't go down swinging in support of a failed Repulican administartion. [/ QUOTE ] There you go with you broad "realist" brush again. Do I support the Bush administration on every facet?? No. I'd like to kick him in the rump over immigration policy. But, like it or not, the war on terror was gonna be an ugly one, no matter who was running it. At least Bush has the grapes to run it. And IMHO, he's done a good job. Good. Not great. But I'm not sure a "great" job can be done. Unemployments at 4-something percent, the DOW's at 12,600, wages are up every economic indicator is going gangbusters................and the talking heads can still somehow puke out stuff like "failed administration". And you believe them?????????? Kinda like peeing on the back of my neck and trying to tell me it's raining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias sworn to kill EVERY person who does not agree with their particular brand of Islam. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You can't honestly believe that is his sole purpose, can you? [/ QUOTE ] By his, do you mean Osama bin Laden? I do mean exactly that. The Islamists have stated that exact intent many, many times. In fact, their interpretation of Islam commands that there be only two types of people alive in the world. Those who believe as they do and the slaves of those who believe like they do. Not my words, THEIRS. You people better wake up and start believing what they say, because they mean it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias [ QUOTE ] Umprovoked? [/ QUOTE ] yes. Unprovoked. [ QUOTE ] Umm....I think the US backing and arming nations like Saudi Arabi and Isreal has done 100% of the provoking. [/ QUOTE ] So........following your line of "logic'.......we should go fly planes into Iranian skyscrapers for them arming Iraqi terrorists?? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] sworn to kill EVERY person who does not agree with their particular brand of Islam. [/ QUOTE ] You can't honestly believe that is his sole purpose, can you? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. Read your Koran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias [ QUOTE ] sworn to kill EVERY person who does not agree with their particular brand of Islam. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You can't honestly believe that is his sole purpose, can you? [/ QUOTE ] By his, do you mean Osama bin Laden? I do mean exactly that. The Islamists have stated that exact intent many, many times. In fact, their interpretation of Islam commands that there be only two types of people alive in the world. Those who believe as they do and the slaves of those who believe like they do. Not my words, THEIRS. You people better wake up and start believing what they say, because they mean it. [/ QUOTE ] As a realist, dont know how you could ignore this muggs. Not like these terrorists have hidden their intents. Not like they have not attempted to turn their hatred for us into a holy war and not like they have not called on all muslims to become involved in this jihad. From a realistic standpoint you would have to be blind not to see this, either that or you have yourself fooled into believing something other than reality which coming from someone calling themself a realist is maybe just a bit ironic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Umprovoked? [/ QUOTE ] yes. Unprovoked. [ QUOTE ] Umm....I think the US backing and arming nations like Saudi Arabi and Isreal has done 100% of the provoking. [/ QUOTE ] So........following your line of "logic'.......we should go fly planes into Iranian skyscrapers for them arming Iraqi terrorists?? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] sworn to kill EVERY person who does not agree with their particular brand of Islam. [/ QUOTE ] You can't honestly believe that is his sole purpose, can you? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. Read your Koran. [/ QUOTE ] So you think the US supplying the emenies of muslim extremists with weapons that kill their people hasn't provoked any of this aggression. No need to read the Koran. Even the public of Great Britain, our strongest ally, strongly opposes our nation's war mongering. And its this type of politics that have brought on the resentment our nation experiences. Not to mention the role oil plays in all of this. You're naive to think otherwise. [ QUOTE ] So........following your line of "logic'.......we should go fly planes into Iranian skyscrapers for them arming Iraqi terrorists?? [/ QUOTE ] For one, if we weren't in Iraq, the Iranians wouldn't be arming the Iraqis. Second, no we won't use planes to fly into skyscrapers. We have the means to use conventional warfare. Strut, you feel so strongly, you should go enlist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Re: Iran found to be supply Iraqi militias [ QUOTE ] There you go with you broad "realist" brush again. Do I support the Bush administration on every facet?? No. I'd like to kick him in the rump over immigration policy. But, like it or not, the war on terror was gonna be an ugly one, no matter who was running it. At least Bush has the grapes to run it. And IMHO, he's done a good job. Good. Not great. But I'm not sure a "great" job can be done. Unemployments at 4-something percent, the DOW's at 12,600, wages are up every economic indicator is going gangbusters................and the talking heads can still somehow puke out stuff like "failed administration". And you believe them?????????? Kinda like peeing on the back of my neck and trying to tell me it's raining. [/ QUOTE ] I vote Republican because they build strong economies...a few outliers aside. But honestly, Bush's Presidency will be judged only on the Iraq war. Is that fair? No. But its the reality. This is his Vietnam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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