VTbowman Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 As most know by now I am not a bench shooter, nor own several rifles. I basically own 2 hunting rifles, shoot one, and only to check it for deer season. I do however like to know what some of the cartriage ackornyms (sp) mean. As well as what their benifits are or purpose.. WSM? STW? Win Mag vs. Mag vs. Ultra Mag differences? AI? Ummm. I think thats it for now...LOL Thanks for the time it may take to explain this to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut_Buster Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Re: I have some rifle ignornace questions...?? WSM: Winchester Short Magnum. WSSM: Winchester Super Short Magnum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robk Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Re: I have some rifle ignornace questions...?? if your asking what the letters are beside the caliber they depict what type of bullet your shooting and there is an index with each different bullet they have in that caliber. sp-soft point or spire point and so on. as for the magnums you will like wsm wssm. these are like was stated above.bt- boat tail or ballistic tip and hp- hollow point good luck rob k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted December 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Re: I have some rifle ignornace questions...?? Robk- I know what the letters mean as far as that goes. (bt- boat tail or ballistic tip and hp- hollow point) Just not sure what the ones I listed stand for... Also what the differences between the Mag designations.. Win Mag? Is that the same magnum as a Remington Mag? Or is it a specific caliber? Like a 300 Ultra Mag has a larger casing then a 300 Mag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robk Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Re: I have some rifle ignornace questions...?? winc mag means winchester arms developed that caliber round ultra mag is a wildcat round that has come out and i believe it was remington that first made that round happen. stw is another style of mag you also have a remington magnum which means the bullet was developed by remington the one is states ie win mag 7mm remington those companies developed that barrel and gun. hope that helps soem rob k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Re: I have some rifle ignornace questions...?? The designation of a couple letters or abreviation is just for a shorter name. There are Winchester magnums, Remington magnums, Weatherby magnums, and all are different. Here is a list of some popular rifle acronyms: SA - short action LA - long action Mag - magnum WSM - Winchester Short Magnum WSSM - Winghester Super Short Magnum RUM - Remington Ultra Mag SAUM - Short Action Ultra Mag STW - Shooting Times Westener STE - Shooting Times Easterner LR - long rifle WMR - Winchester Magnum Rimfire (.22 magnum) WRF - Winchester Rim Fire What the companies call their ammo is only that, a name. There is no designation of capacity in the name anymore. This used to be the case with the .30-30, .45-70, .50-70, etc. Nowdays companyes neck a casing up or down a bit and call it their design. Winchester did this with the .270 Winchester. It is a .30-06 necked down to hold .277" bullets. It should be called the .27-06. Remington also did it with the .280 Remington. Its a 7mm-06 but it does have the shoulder moved forwards slightly. Other than knowing the difference in the cartridge specs, you can not tell a difference from the name between the performance of a .300 Savage and a .300 Rem Ultra Mag. But there is a huge difference between them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted December 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Re: I have some rifle ignornace questions...?? [ QUOTE ] Other than knowing the difference in the cartridge specs, you can not tell a difference from the name between the performance of a .300 Savage and a .300 Rem Ultra Mag. But there is a huge difference between them [/ QUOTE ] This I can vouch for having a 300 RUM... LOL My father has the 300 Savage. He once tried to tell me they were they same. Until he saw my 300 RUM shells. He still has not shot mine... LOL Thanks for the simple explainations... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Re: I have some rifle ignornace questions...?? [ QUOTE ] Stay away from the STW and STE they are wildcats and you can't sell 'em. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, you are only half right. The STW is a commercial cartridge. Remington commercialized it in 1997. The STE is still considered a wildcat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted December 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Re: I have some rifle ignornace questions...?? Can you explain "Wild Cat" to me. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut_Buster Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Re: I have some rifle ignornace questions...?? A cat that is wild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Re: I have some rifle ignornace questions...?? [ QUOTE ] Can you explain "Wild Cat" to me? [/ QUOTE ] A cartridge that has no standard. It can be a cartridge that someone designed either from stratch or by modifying an existing casing. The WSM cartridges were wildcats when Rick Jamison designed them. Winchester tweaked the design to make them easier to mass produce and submitted the design to SAAMI for standardization. Most cartridges started out as a wildcat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Re: I have some rifle ignornace questions...?? Do directly answer one of VTB's questions, AI standas for Ackley Improving. This was the thing Parker Ackley liked to do with cartridges. Improving a design means blowing out the case walls to minimum taper and increasing the shoulder angle to 35-40 deg. This increases case capacity offering faster velocity. This also reduces the forward brass flow. On a standard cartridge like the .30-06 for instance, the brass flows forwards every time the casing is fired and resized. This brass comes from the area directly in front of the web (thich part near the case head). This can be seen by the reloader as how often they have to trim the case length. After enough brass has moved forwards, the case can separate. This can be a major headache to remove. Anyhow, with the minimum taper in the case walls, the cartridge flows forwards less. The drawback to AI cartridges, is they are considered to be wildcats. This does make resale a lot harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted December 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Re: I have some rifle ignornace questions...?? Thank you Strut Buster!!!! I was wondering about this a LONG time. I am glad you were able to clear this mystery up for me... LOL (Thanks AJ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.