slugshooter Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Nearly Half in U.S. Say Restrict Muslims December 18, 2004 9:43 AM EST ITHACA, N.Y. - Nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S. government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim Americans, according to a nationwide poll. The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or people who are less religious. Researchers also found that respondents who paid more attention to television news were more likely to fear terrorist attacks and support limiting the rights of Muslim Americans. "It's sad news. It's disturbing news. But it's not unpredictable," said Mahdi Bray, executive director of the Muslim American Society. "The nation is at war, even if it's not a traditional war. We just have to remain vigilant and continue to interface." The survey found 44 percent favored at least some restrictions on the civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Forty-eight percent said liberties should not be restricted in any way. The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal government. Twenty-two percent favored racial profiling to identify potential terrorist threats. And 29 percent thought undercover agents should infiltrate Muslim civic and volunteer organizations to keep tabs on their activities and fund-raising. Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6 percentage points. James Shanahan, an associate professor of communications who helped organize the survey, said the results indicate "the need for continued dialogue about issues of civil liberties" in a time of war. While researchers said they were not surprised by the overall level of support for curtailing civil liberties, they were startled by the correlation with religion and exposure to television news. "We need to explore why these two very important channels of discourse may nurture fear rather than understanding," Shanahan said. According to the survey, 37 percent believe a terrorist attack in the United States is still likely within the next 12 months. In a similar poll conducted by Cornell in November 2002, that number stood at 90 percent. --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. Yep, kick them out!!! We dont need to be giving them anymore welfare or any other benefits. When most of them hate the USA to begin with! I think most of them are only here to create havoc among us anyways! So yeah! KICK THEM OUT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. Sounds to me that there are many in this country ready to put on brown shirts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. Sorry nut! I dont understand what you mean by "putting in the brown shirts"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. Hmmm, a poll huh. Polls as we know are very accurate right. Look back to just a month ago. Really do not think personally that we should restrict anyone, unless they are on a terrorist watch list, or unless they are suspicious. To attempt to keep up with all the muslims in this country would be pretty dad gum distracting from our nations security and would require a crap load of govt employees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. Life this is what my thoughts are. Restricting the iimmigration and student visas is the right thing to do now. Following up on the one's who are here on student visas is good also as long as we do it right. Just to classify someone as evil because of their religous beliefs is downright wrong and unAmerican. To round them up and ship em out just would end in in huge camps and then the same people for this will want to start on the next group. Then we would end up with a kid watch group wearing brown shirts reporting things that did not actually happen. Sorta like the Nazi's did in Germany. That is why I was glad the TIPS thingy wasnt included in the unPatriot act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. I wasnt sure what you were talking about brown shirts. You didnt need to explain your personal feelings, just the brown shirt thing! I must have been out that day in history class. Hopefully I didnt upset you. But these are my feeling weather it be wrong or not. We didnt out of the blue kill 3000+ of their people on 9/11, they did! Yes not all are bad! But history has told us for many years that mostly all muslims would like to see us dead! Why, I am not sure? But they do hate us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. The Bible says that you should "love thy enemy" but it's difficult when thy enemy will stop at nothing to destroy your very exsistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingInMaine Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. I think most of us fear that which we don't understand. I am 100% against kicking out people who practice a religion which most people don't understand. Not all muslims are the bad, American haters that they are made out to be. Just because we hear that many want us dead doesn't mean the majority feel that way. It just means that the hate message is more popular with the media. I haven't done a lot of research into the religion, but do know that there are two different types of muslims, the sunni's and shitti's (spelling?). One group is much more radical then the other. It kind of reminds me of the way blacks were treated about 50 years ago. Because people (mostly whites) didn't understand the differences they wanted them all killed or kicked out of the country. We have come a long way in our understanding of those of a different color, maybe we will some day do the same with religions that disagree with our own. With that being said, I don't think it would be a bad idea to infiltrate some of the Muslims groups to be sure another 9/11 isn't being planned. I think they should be given the same rights as any other American, but am not so ignorant to think they (or any group of people) all have the best intentions. Just my opinion.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Musl There's only one part of these "Restrictions" that I favor, and that's the so called "Racial Profiling" for terrorists. Actually, "Religious Profiling" might be a more accurate term. Its a sad fact, but a fact none the less, that the biggest threat of terrorism currently comes from people who are Muslim. Therefore it only makes sense to focus our scrutiny on Muslims when we're trying to detect and prevent terrorist acts. Here's another example: If we've got a rash of carjackings being perpetrated by white males under the age of 30, why would the police show any interest in a black 60 year old female? Profiling is just another tool for law enforcement or the security community to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. [ QUOTE ] I think most of us fear that which we don't understand. I am 100% against kicking out people who practice a religion which most people don't understand. Not all muslims are the bad, American haters that they are made out to be. Just because we hear that many want us dead doesn't mean the majority feel that way. It just means that the hate message is more popular with the media. I haven't done a lot of research into the religion, but do know that there are two different types of muslims, the sunni's and shitti's (spelling?). One group is much more radical then the other. It kind of reminds me of the way blacks were treated about 50 years ago. Because people (mostly whites) didn't understand the differences they wanted them all killed or kicked out of the country. We have come a long way in our understanding of those of a different color, maybe we will some day do the same with religions that disagree with our own. With that being said, I don't think it would be a bad idea to infiltrate some of the Muslims groups to be sure another 9/11 isn't being planned. I think they should be given the same rights as any other American, but am not so ignorant to think they (or any group of people) all have the best intentions. Just my opinion.... [/ QUOTE ] True not all Muslems are bad, and some baptist drink and dance. But the ones who truely believe hate our country and our way of life. This is completely different from the way blacks were treated. It could however be linked with the treatment of Japanees Americans during WWII. But there are several distinct differences. 1. Like most religions one of the most important thing for Muslems to do is to proliferate their religion. But, unlike most religions their bible teaches that people who refuse to convert should be killed as infadels. This is not considered a sin in any way, in fact the Koran incourages it. The Japanees were out to conquer land not to kill those who didn't belive like they did. 2. We are not at war with a country like Japan. We are at war with an idea and a way of life. These people are not a specific nationality or race. While most are of Arab decent, many are black, white, and Eastarn European. 3. Their motivation for hatred of the United States stems prodominantly from our support of the nation of Isreal and the Jewish religion. If you have heard or read any of the Osama tapes or have seen any interviews with top Muslems this fact is clear. If you are at all familiar with the bible, you know that the Jews are the chosen people of God. The bible states that any nation who protects Isreal will be blessed and protected by God. I believe that this is a major reason for the prosperity of the US in the 20th century. (You don't have to believe that, but I do) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. [ QUOTE ] The Bible says that you should "love thy enemy" but it's difficult when thy enemy will stop at nothing to destroy your very exsistance. [/ QUOTE ] The Bible does say to love your enemy, but it doesnt' say to let them in your country, subsidise their education, teach them to fly planes, give them loans to open up a 7/11 so they can afford to buy explosives, let them blow up a building then fly a plane into it, so we can turn around and appoint a public attourny so they can get off on some tecnicality like racial profiling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotupdeer Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. So what this poll is saying is that nearly half of all Americans are retarded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. [ QUOTE ] So what this poll is saying is that nearly half of all Americans are retarded? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah the ones that are dopers!!! LMBO!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The Bible says that you should "love thy enemy" but it's difficult when thy enemy will stop at nothing to destroy your very exsistance. [/ QUOTE ] The Bible does say to love your enemy, but it doesnt' say to let them in your country, subsidise their education, teach them to fly planes, give them loans to open up a 7/11 so they can afford to buy explosives, let them blow up a building then fly a plane into it, so we can turn around and appoint a public attourny so they can get off on some tecnicality like racial profiling. [/ QUOTE ] Great reply there John. Really think our government should stop being so supportive of people coming to this country and should shift that focus towards looking more at fixing our own problems right here at home. It has been terrible to see what has happened in my lifetime. It is hard nowaday to find a gas station or a hotel that is not Arab owned. Sad that there are so many that have been given so much help and that there are so many who have come here and do not appreciate being here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The Bible says that you should "love thy enemy" but it's difficult when thy enemy will stop at nothing to destroy your very exsistance. [/ QUOTE ] The Bible does say to love your enemy, but it doesnt' say to let them in your country, subsidise their education, teach them to fly planes, give them loans to open up a 7/11 so they can afford to buy explosives, let them blow up a building then fly a plane into it, so we can turn around and appoint a public attourny so they can get off on some tecnicality like racial profiling. [/ QUOTE ] Great reply there John. Really think our government should stop being so supportive of people coming to this country and should shift that focus towards looking more at fixing our own problems right here at home. It has been terrible to see what has happened in my lifetime. It is hard nowaday to find a gas station or a hotel that is not Arab owned. Sad that there are so many that have been given so much help and that there are so many who have come here and do not appreciate being here. [/ QUOTE ] I couldn't agree more. Like I always say, there is only one god, the rest of you put your hands where I can see them BTW LifeNRA, I am on your side with this issue. They are starting to get laws put into place to change our way of life so our way of life doesn't offend them. LEAVE THEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. [ QUOTE ] shitti's (spelling?). [/ QUOTE ] No Huntinginmaine, you spelled it right!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] shitti's (spelling?). [/ QUOTE ]No Huntinginmaine, you spelled it right!!! [/ QUOTE ] I believe that's " shi'ites " [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingInMaine Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] shitti's (spelling?). [/ QUOTE ]No Huntinginmaine, you spelled it right!!! [/ QUOTE ] I believe that's " shi'ites " [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Technically my spelling is correct....I am just apostrophe challenged! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyj987 Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. My only problem with "7-11-owning-Muslim-immigrants" is this. They are exempt from paying income taxes. They'll buy a business, live and work here for seven years--and make a boatload of money. They then "sell" the business to a family member who comes over here for seven years. They end up never paying taxes--that's what ticks me off. The people that own these businesses for the most part are simply business-people. They are here to make money in the United States. They're here legally, and the VAST majority of them speak English. I have no problem with that aspect of it at all. At the same time, I have no problem with the government infiltrating religious OR secular groups that could potentially be threats to our safety. Like most Americans, I AM worried about the potential threat to civil rights. However, I think a more immediate threat are the civil rights groups themselves--who want to oppress the majority religion in this country. Why are they worried so much about the religious freedom of Muslims, yet want to ban nativity scenes that local governments establish? It's amazing considering that decisions to display such things are made by elected people--who represent what their constituents want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. [ QUOTE ] My only problem with "7-11-owning-Muslim-immigrants" [/ QUOTE ] LMBO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Muslims. [ QUOTE ] Why are they worried so much about the religious freedom of Muslims, yet want to ban nativity scenes that local governments establish? It's amazing considering that decisions to display such things are made by elected people--who represent what their constituents want. [/ QUOTE ] Great question, wish I knew the answer. Really do not understand how more people do not see what has been and is taking place in our country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Musl Just finished reading A great book on this subject...with some nasty stats... i wouldnt mind asking them to leave either......once there gone id also like to make motion to move some more national guard groups down south....and ask the mexicans to pack it in also. The amount of money that immigrants both legal and illigal make in this country is pretty alarming, especially with the number of un-employed people out there. I think we need to take a very serious look at our policies regarding imm. I know that that is what founded this country but, for awhile i think the door needs shut and we should look to change some things here at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyj987 Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Musl Aaron, that's not a book by Michelle Malkin by any chance, is it? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Re: Nearly 1/2 of Americans favor restricting Musl Nope.....DISMANTLING THE AMERICAN DREAM. written by Kenneth A. Buchdahl, he was a big wig with one of the truck manufacturers, a very good book but kinda dipressing it looks at everything from globalization,free trade,Immigration,Unemployment,Poverty,Debt,foriegn security dependency and more. Has some great facts but it is very alarming, dosnt place any partisin blame anywhere just points out some huge problems and a few ideas on how to change them. Some of his ideas seemed kinda socialist like to me but it dosnt change the problems, points to free trade and our dependency on foriegn markets as being the main downfall of our country today, and the future numbers dont look good!! Id suggest this book to anyone no matter what your political affiliation is. On the other hand i also just finished AMERICA by John Stewert, another book id recommend but for much much differant reasons....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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