Strut10 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill My home security system. Oddly enough.....everyone in these parts has had enough sense to not set it off, so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill [/ QUOTE ] I wouldn't lump Rottweiler's in with Pit Bulls. Rotts are tamer dogs...Pitt Bulls are born killers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill Sorry New but there again all I see is a flawed arguement. No you did not say they were ALL viscous man killers, you just said they ALL should be banned. Your foundation is that SOME can be dangerous (to the point of lethal) but you also say that you think that the majority that are raised right are perfectly fine. So you are saying that when they are properly raised they are fine but we should ban them ALL because they have the potential to be dangerous. There are too many things in this world that can be termed "dangerous" even "lethal" some are inatiment objects some are living and breathing. The problem with grouping the living and breathing objects into a category of being banned or completely removed from the earth is a complete and total lunacy IMO - but it is that my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill [ QUOTE ] Sorry New but there again all I see is a flawed arguement. No you did not say they were ALL viscous man killers, you just said they ALL should be banned. Your foundation is that SOME can be dangerous (to the point of lethal) but you also say that you think that the majority that are raised right are perfectly fine. So you are saying that when they are properly raised they are fine but we should ban them ALL because they have the potential to be dangerous. There are too many things in this world that can be termed "dangerous" even "lethal" some are inatiment objects some are living and breathing. The problem with grouping the living and breathing objects into a category of being banned or completely removed from the earth is a complete and total lunacy IMO - but it is that my opinion. [/ QUOTE ] Very well said. That statement right there is why I get all outofsorts when someone syas ALL pitbulls should be banned......... Again, VERY WELL put Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DeanHetzel Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill Alright all of this is crazy. Some people think they know and some just read the papers. A s i stated before it is not the breeds fault, i know of a breeder of Staffordshire Terriers and he is actually one of the responsible breeders out there. He literaly has about 25 dogs on his farm, none of which have an ounce of aggression towards people or dogs. At the first sign of any aggresion in the pups they are killed, which happened some when he first started breeeding but now rarely ever happends because he will not breed his dogs with any dog outside of his farm. That is responsible breeding and taking care of the breed. The people who breed for strictly money will sell any pup that they can just for the money. In my opinion this is the reason nobody should buy any dog out of the paper, because you never really know how responsible the breeder is, even if it is a lab (there is a reason why a full bred dog is $200 and not $1200). Now if someone does not want to pay top dollar for a dog that is fine but those people should not have dogs that could be potentially dangerous). I love labs and all of my freinds have them but irresponsible breeding can make them aggresive just like any other dog. A male lab in most cases is just as big as a Rotti and has jaws just as strong, it just so happends there breed has not been ruined by bad breeding efforts. Another problem is that people feel tough if they walk around with an "aggressive" dog and that is why they keep them somewhat isolated so they are aggressive and act mean. Dogs that are brought up responsibly are a totaly different story. I just dont think the breed as a whole should be blamed, you are getting more and more attacks from pit bulls because PEOPLE have just about ruined the entire breed. I would trust MY German Shepards with children to the utmost, they both LOVE children, and my male is 12 years old and over 100lbs and he still loves them and is incredibly gentile with them. I also dont have to worry about any breaking into my house because that would be a bad idea to anyone who should not be there. If people are over my house for the first time they are affraid of my dogs at first but as soon as my male goes over and puts his head in there lap to say hello they realize they are nice dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill Oh and before someone tells me that my thoughts would be different if I knew someone that has been attacked/mauled/killed by one of these breeds that my opinion would be different. I already know someone that has been mauled by a pit, doesn't change my outlook on the breed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill Kind of hard to argue the stats even if you are a docile Pit-bull or Rottweiler owner. It's the over-all breed of dog in question here, not just one specific dog or your dog. You can argue the stats all you want. It doesn't change them. [ QUOTE ] In recent years, the dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers: Results—During 1997 and 1998, at least 27 people died of dog bite attacks (18 in 1997 and 9 in 1998). At least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in 238 human DBRF during the past 20 years. Pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers were involved in more than half of these deaths. "Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....The data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." Of 227 reports with relevant data, 55 (24%) human deaths involved unrestrained dogs off their owners’ property, 133 (58%) involved unrestrained dogs on their owners’ property, 38 (17%) involved restrained dogs on their owners’ property, and 1 (< 1%) involved a restrained dog off its owner’s property. [/ QUOTE ] I would never own one for my own personal reasons, so don't bite me...eh To compare dogs behaviors with guns is not a very fair comparison, since guns don't just go off by themselves, but dogs can and do. Just my Opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill [ QUOTE ] My home security system. Oddly enough.....everyone in these parts has had enough sense to not set it off, so far. [/ QUOTE ] Wait a second. I thought they weren't violent. Who in their right mind would use a non-violent dog as a home security system?? Also, if Pit Bulls and Rotts are just as safe as a Poodle...wouldn't said Poodle also be able to serve as home security? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill Pit bulls and rotwielers account for a very high parcentage of dog attacks.This list shows attack numbers going from 1982 to 2006.Look at the bottom of page 2 here. http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdf 2209 attacks total for the many different breeds listed.Rots and pits account for 1519 of them. pit bull terriers account for 1110, thats excluding mixed breeds. out of 264 deaths these two breeds cause 162 of them with pit bulls leading the numbers again with 104 of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill I still feel that is not necessarily the BREED of the dog, but how that dog is reared, and cared for etc.etc. I have TRIED to make my dog snap at me, or even growl. In 4 years that we have had him, I have only found 1 way to get him to growl, and I have to put forth ALOT of effort to get him to even growl at me. We have two cats, he will PROTECT them from other dogs, I ahve witnessed this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill [ QUOTE ] Sorry New but there again all I see is a flawed arguement. No you did not say they were ALL viscous man killers, you just said they ALL should be banned. Your foundation is that SOME can be dangerous (to the point of lethal) but you also say that you think that the majority that are raised right are perfectly fine. So you are saying that when they are properly raised they are fine but we should ban them ALL because they have the potential to be dangerous. There are too many things in this world that can be termed "dangerous" even "lethal" some are inatiment objects some are living and breathing. The problem with grouping the living and breathing objects into a category of being banned or completely removed from the earth is a complete and total lunacy IMO - but it is that my opinion. [/ QUOTE ] Well, I am not saying it would be an easy thing to do. But you know it is all theory until it is your child that was killed by somoene else's dog. Yes, most are probably okay but given the number of attacks, the severity of the attacks, and the results of the attacks, there is a serious enough conern to ban those dogs. If not completely, at least in certain areas like subdivisions or other areas where the chances of an innocent party coming into contact with someone else's loose dog is high. Add the fact that when these dogs decide to attack, even people my size can't stop it. Many insurance companies are refusing homeowner's coverage to owners of these breeds of dogs. That tells you right there that the risk is very high of these dogs attacking as a breed. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill New, on the coworker's friend, was this a dog she was familiar with, or a somewhat strange dog? Was the dog in pain when this occured? Those are ALL factors that could have made the dog feel as if it was being threatened.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] My home security system. Oddly enough.....everyone in these parts has had enough sense to not set it off, so far. [/ QUOTE ] Wait a second. I thought they weren't violent. Who in their right mind would use a non-violent dog as a home security system?? [/ QUOTE ] The dog, as she sits on my front porch, is no more violent than the Glock as it sits on my nightstand. Show up in the wrong place, at the wrong time for impure reasons and it all changes.......in both cases. [ QUOTE ] Also, if Pit Bulls and Rotts are just as safe as a Poodle...wouldn't said Poodle also be able to serve as home security? [/ QUOTE ] Funny you should put it that way. The guy that lives across the street from my brother has a standard poodle that I wouldn't cross. Not even on a bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill [ QUOTE ] I still feel that is not necessarily the BREED of the dog, but how that dog is reared, and cared for etc.etc. I have TRIED to make my dog snap at me, or even growl. In 4 years that we have had him, I have only found 1 way to get him to growl, and I have to put forth ALOT of effort to get him to even growl at me. We have two cats, he will PROTECT them from other dogs, I ahve witnessed this. [/ QUOTE ] No doubt it is the individual dogs that are the problem and not the entire breed. But that is a self-limiting argument. From what I know about many attacks, the attributes that you love about your dog....protective of family and the cats is the same behavior that usually triggers an attack. I'm not saying your dog is a bad dog. But I also don't buy that because yours is a good dog, the facts of the situation and the attacks that happen, didn't. As someone just posted, these large breed dogs...pits and rotts account for most attacks and most deadly attacks. Now, again, all of this is theory until it is your family member that is attacked or you receive a big fat lawsuit because your dog mauls some poor kid. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill [ QUOTE ] But you know it is all theory until it is your child that was killed by somoene else's dog. [/ QUOTE ] Evidently you missed my previous post... [ QUOTE ] Oh and before someone tells me that my thoughts would be different if I knew someone that has been attacked/mauled/killed by one of these breeds that my opinion would be different. I already know someone that has been mauled by a pit, doesn't change my outlook on the breed. [/ QUOTE ] Was it my child getting killed, no. Was it someone that I know and care about getting viscously mauled - yes. Believe me, I know the difference between what a theory and a real life situation is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill [ QUOTE ] You can argue the stats all you want. It doesn't change them. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] In recent years, the dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers: Results—During 1997 and 1998, at least 27 people died of dog bite attacks (18 in 1997 and 9 in 1998). At least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in 238 human DBRF during the past 20 years. Pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers were involved in more than half of these deaths. "Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....The data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." Of 227 reports with relevant data, 55 (24%) human deaths involved unrestrained dogs off their owners’ property, 133 (58%) involved unrestrained dogs on their owners’ property, 38 (17%) involved restrained dogs on their owners’ property, and 1 (< 1%) involved a restrained dog off its owner’s property. [/ QUOTE ] Interesting that it doesn't mention how many of these PB and Rott fatality cases also involved drug charges being included against the owners. These two breeds are the choice of drug dealers & gangbangers everywhere. [ QUOTE ] To compare dogs behaviors with guns is not a very fair comparison, since guns don't just go off by themselves, but dogs can and do. Just my Opinion [/ QUOTE ] Not entirely fair. But fair enough. PB's, Rotts, Chows............when raised from good stock and in a good environment don't "go off" by themselves, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill [ QUOTE ] New, on the coworker's friend, was this a dog she was familiar with, or a somewhat strange dog? Was the dog in pain when this occured? Those are ALL factors that could have made the dog feel as if it was being threatened.......... [/ QUOTE ] No doubt, I am not sure on the details yet. Like I said, I was eavesdropping . It was just funny that as I was typing about that very subject, he was telling it to someone on the phone. I did hear him say that it was when she tried to unravel the chain that the dog was on...it was around his/her leg and maybe that triggered an instinctive reaction or something. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] But you know it is all theory until it is your child that was killed by somoene else's dog. [/ QUOTE ] Evidently you missed my previous post... [ QUOTE ] Oh and before someone tells me that my thoughts would be different if I knew someone that has been attacked/mauled/killed by one of these breeds that my opinion would be different. I already know someone that has been mauled by a pit, doesn't change my outlook on the breed. [/ QUOTE ] Was it my child getting killed, no. Was it someone that I know and care about getting viscously mauled - yes. Believe me, I know the difference between what a theory and a real life situation is. [/ QUOTE ] I did miss it....sorry they got it. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DeanHetzel Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill Like Strut said, these are my security system. They would ONLY attack if someone was in the house or yard that is not supposed to be there. And yes they are smart enough to know the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill [ QUOTE ] I still feel that is not necessarily the BREED of the dog, but how that dog is reared, and cared for etc.etc. I have TRIED to make my dog snap at me, or even growl. In 4 years that we have had him, I have only found 1 way to get him to growl, and I have to put forth ALOT of effort to get him to even growl at me. We have two cats, he will PROTECT them from other dogs, I have witnessed this. [/ QUOTE ] I agree to a certain extent. Pit-bulls are very loyal dogs to their master. They were revered for that quality, which made it easy to pull them off of another dog during a dog fight, or cattle in the field, without biting or turning on their owner. The fact is, Pit-bulls and Rotweillers (as a whole) need a little more special attention by their owners to handle their aggressive disposition against other animals, and sometimes people, which in many cases with pet owners, isn't happening. So yes, on one hand you can blame the pet owners, but on the other hand these dogs do have an inherited aggressiveness. I'm not saying it's impossible to have a nice gentle pit bull etc, or they all have to be handled in a special way for this aggression problem, but as a whole, these breeds of dogs do have an aggressive nature, and certain built in (Bred in) characteristics that make them more dangerous than other dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill [ QUOTE ] Not entirely fair. But fair enough. PB's, Rotts, Chows............when raised from good stock and in a good environment don't "go off" by themselves, either. [/ QUOTE ] Put it this way then If my dog escaped from my yard, I certainly wouldn't be worried about it biting or attacking anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill My dog does not leave my yard.........not once in 8 1/2 years. And she is free to go..........no fence or anything. She was raised right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill Here's some interesting reading... HERE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill [ QUOTE ] My dog does not leave my yard.........not once in 8 1/2 years. And she is free to go..........no fence or anything. She was raised right. [/ QUOTE ] That's great Don. Did you have to give your dog a little more training than you would another or did you just get lucky and get a nice gentle one from the start? We owned a little Maultese (Palace guard dog..LOL) that I would never trust around kids. He was a miserable old cus from day one, and we had him for 18 years. No training changed him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Re: Another Pitt Bull Kill [ QUOTE ] What I am saying is that virtually all deadly attacks by dogs are from these breeds. To me, that should be enough to outlaw owning those dogs...perhaps in neighborhoods and places where an attack is more likely. [/ QUOTE ] Some children raised wrong end up as killers and a threat to society, should we then outlaw all kids. About the same level of ignorance. If the stats Andrea posted are the ones I am thinking, for anyone looking at those stats please be sure and note that the stats refer to "pitt bull type" dogs. What exactly is a pitt bull type dog anyway? Maybe a boxer or a lab or maybe any unidentifiable vicious looking dog that they cannot pin on another breed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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