coles Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 has anyone used the remington managed-recoil loads? my girlfriend wants to elk hunt next year and i was thinking about gettin my grandmother's .270 for her to use. i used it my first year hunting and i think it should fit her. the stock has been cut down. i saw that the 115gr MR kick less than a .243. i want to get her away from using my 22-250. she doesnt want to shoot her .243 because she has been scoped by it. i had a hard time at first getting her to shoot even my 22-250 because she thought it would kick but once she shot it i couldnt keep her from it. i also saw that they make the man. recoil from a 7mm but im thinking that it might still be too much for her. the man. recoil for the .270 are 115gr. and i know that would be too light for elk but i just dont know what to do. any suggestions? i want her to shoot a bigger rifle but i dont want her to shy away from the recoil. any info will help may it be other loads for a .270 suitable for elk or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles Posted February 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Re: managed-recoil? no one has any experience with these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Re: managed-recoil? I've never used them! Can't help you! That is an awful light bullet for an elk though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Re: managed-recoil? I have always said you can't go elephant hunting with a BB gun. My suggestion would be to get this girl out and shoot, shoot, and shoot some more. It seems like a lack of confidence issue to me. If she got hit with a scope, was the gun really fitted right to her? To suggest shooting a calibre too small for the game you are hunting would be very unethical. Get her fitted properly to a gun she is comfortable with and let her become proficient with it. Then move her to the calibre needed to hunt the animal you want to hunt. When she can confidently handle that gun, you are ready to go hunting. Not until! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun_300 Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Re: managed-recoil? I personally do not have any experience with them, but I do agree with the others though... 115gr is a little on the light side for an elk. Do you reload or know anyone who does? If you do, reload some 7mm's with 150gr bullets with a little less powder in them, you could even do the same with the .270 with a 150gr. At least then you have a decent weight for a bullet to take down an elk. Another thing I reccommend is finding a used, inexpensive .308 Win for her. They are close to a .30-06 in ballistics, but with less recoil. A 180gr from a .308 would knock a big elk down no prob! A lot of my friends have killed big moose with .308's, and they're even bigger than elk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Re: managed-recoil? [ QUOTE ] I've never used them! Can't help you! That is an awful light bullet for an elk though! [/ QUOTE ] Thats what I was thinking. Those would be too light! [ QUOTE ] I have always said you can't go elephant hunting with a BB gun. My suggestion would be to get this girl out and shoot, shoot, and shoot some more. It seems like a lack of confidence issue to me. If she got hit with a scope, was the gun really fitted right to her? To suggest shooting a calibre too small for the game you are hunting would be very unethical. Get her fitted properly to a gun she is comfortable with and let her become proficient with it. Then move her to the calibre needed to hunt the animal you want to hunt. When she can confidently handle that gun, you are ready to go hunting. Not until! [/ QUOTE ] Good info! But I would also look into a longer eye relief scope for her, and make sure the gun fits her! Sounds like she has to climb up onto the stock to get a good sight picture out of the scope. Maybe something with a longer eye relief might help. Then again, your a MAGNUM shooter, teach her right! Sorry! LMBO!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles Posted February 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Re: managed-recoil? oh i know that a 115 would be too light for elk. sometimes i even think my 160s are too light. but she scoped herself with her .243 when a coyote was goin across their hayfield. so i dont know if she wasnt holding it right or what but it doesnt really matter. all i know is that she is scared to shoot something with a little recoil. so i was thinkin that i might start her out with some managed recoil loads for target practice over the summer and then move her into some 150s for hunting season. i know she has to feel comfortable with the gun. i guess ill just have to do alot of shooting with her this summer. but yeah i do reload a little bit and my dad reloads quite a bit. i dont know ill figure something out. it just takes practice and getting use to i guess. hopefully she will take to it like a fish to water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Re: managed-recoil? I'm going to suggest a stock design. My daughter bought a Weatherby Vanguard Compact in .308 Win. I handloaded her some 150's at 3 grains of IMR-3031 under max (still a stout load). When I did some bench work with the gun, I noticed that it had MARKEDLY less felt recoil than any other .308 I'd ever shot. The same gun also comes in 7mm-08, which would reduce recoil even a little more. P.S. It shoots like a dream!!! I'm almost willing to lay money I can get it to go 1/2 MOA with a tad more load development. It's danged near there already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles Posted February 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Re: managed-recoil? keep in mind that im in college and i cant exactly afford to buy her a rifle. so im limited to what i have and can borrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Re: managed-recoil? [ QUOTE ] keep in mind that im in college and i cant exactly afford to buy her a rifle. so im limited to what i have and can borrow. [/ QUOTE ] 10-4 Just tossing it out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles Posted February 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Re: managed-recoil? thanks for the help anyways. ill probably just start her out with the managed recoil and then move her up like i said. i guess i have to wait for the weather to warm up too. its been in the single digits and below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Re: managed-recoil? see if she can borrow strut's 375, tell her it is gunna kick a little. After she shoots that there should be no felt recoil with any other caliber. of course if you actually try this I'd call you an idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles Posted February 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Re: managed-recoil? seein how she is about 5'2" and weights about 100lbs. it would look like that little man big gun video. there would be alot of sling time and rehab time before she could shoot again IF i could get her to shoot again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Re: managed-recoil? [ QUOTE ] see if she can borrow strut's 375, tell her it is gunna kick a little. After she shoots that there should be no felt recoil with any other caliber. of course if you actually try this I'd call you an idiot [/ QUOTE ] Good idea...really, I used to HATE recoil when i was young (got bit by a slug gun) till someone put a OTPG in my hand and said YES its going to kick and it does. After you shoot it more and more though you realize "hey I still have eyes and my shoulder isnt broke" After that point I loved things that make big bangs. Give her an open sight big gun, then put her on the ground cross-legged the body will take the recoil and rock her back with the shot. scope should never come near the eye if she does it right. Recoil for me is like big heights........i cured it by going sky diving. edit: i forgot something also...how about a slip on recoil pad or padded shooting shirt??? or get a Sims style pad.....there are lots of options to try at least before just calling it quits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Re: managed-recoil? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] see if she can borrow strut's 375, tell her it is gunna kick a little. After she shoots that there should be no felt recoil with any other caliber. of course if you actually try this I'd call you an idiot [/ QUOTE ] Good idea...really, I used to HATE recoil when i was young (got bit by a slug gun) till someone put a OTPG in my hand and said YES its going to kick and it does. After you shoot it more and more though you realize "hey I still have eyes and my shoulder isnt broke" After that point I loved things that make big bangs. Give her an open sight big gun, then put her on the ground cross-legged the body will take the recoil and rock her back with the shot. scope should never come near the eye if she does it right. Recoil for me is like big heights........i cured it by going sky diving. edit: i forgot something also...how about a slip on recoil pad or padded shooting shirt??? or get a Sims style pad.....there are lots of options to try at least before just calling it quits. [/ QUOTE ] Very sound advice. Maybe it's not for everybody. And I certainly would not suggest handing an 8 1/2 pound .375 Weatherby to a girl (not on the first date, anyways). But felt recoil is, in a very big way, a mental quantity. Sure......if you get your forehead turfed by a gun it's gonna shy you up some. But once you've had some proper instruction on how to fire a rifle that recoils a bit, you'll find it doesn't kick near as much as you imagined. I actually went through this with my .375. The first 10 shots I fired from it were my "education" (the first 5 pretty much sucked)........the "learning process", if you will. Now, I bench it with the same basic hold I use on my .220 Swift and my daughter's .308, etc. It's no big deal. The suggestion of the Sims pad is also spot-on. The Sims pad will not take the jolt out. But it will remove 100% of the pain at the buttstock. edit: I forgot something also.....ain't no way in heck I'm jumping out of a perfectly good airplane!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Re: managed-recoil? My wife was in the same situation a few years ago. She is 5'3" and 105 lbs. She is now shooting my 308 with 165 grain Scirocco bonded but it took a while. I started her with a 30-30 but had the managed recoil ammo been available for my 308 then, this is what we would have done. My suggestion, find a used 308 and make sure it has a great recoil pad. Grab a couple of boxes of 125 gr managed recoil ammo. Have her shoot this until she has the confidence with no flinch. Make the first targets fun and not just a piece of paper. We started with magazine photo's of people she didn't like. Get her mind on the target and not on the anticipated recoil. Once she is comfortable and not until then, grab a box of 150 or 180 grain bullets and keep shooting. Then, find a bullet that shoots well for her and stick with it. For my wife, she liked the Scirocco's and she shoots them well. Good luck and let us know how she's doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles Posted February 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Re: managed-recoil? i do have a custom .270 Gibbs that she could shoot that doesnt kick horribly but the reason it doesnt kick is becasue it weighs about 10lbs. i dont want her to lug that around all day and shy her off that waytoo. and its a full size rifle so im not sure that it would fit her. i guess it will jsut be an elimination process. maybe ill get some manages recoil shells and have her start shooting over my spring break. ill keep ya posted on her shootin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Re: managed-recoil? I would stick with a short action, like the 308 for your girlfriend. You can get a nice light compact 308. Hey. today is Valentines Day. Nothing says love like a centrefire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Re: managed-recoil? Before I got her a rifle of her own, my wife used to shoot my .270 with 150 grain core lokts. She is barely over 5'2", and was close to the same weight as your girlfriend when she was shooting that rifle. Think that is about the minimal elk size load I would attempt to use. Hornady has some of their "custom" production loads in .270 that are supposed to outperform the average handloads. The .270 with those loads with a good recoil pad should be good enough. Would be my choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasDeerHunter Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Re: managed-recoil? How bout a .260 with 140gr. bullet. Not a whole lot of recoil and plenty big enough to do the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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