whitetailkiller Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Re: Wolves [ QUOTE ] now wouldnt that be somethin to see while sittin in the stand [/ QUOTE ] my sentiments exactly...no matter how cruel it seems that is just the way it is!!!!!! nature at it's finest!!!!!!! wow !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Re: Wolves Where did that 12 percent number come from?Most wolf kills you find there isn't enough left to make soup for a thin magpie. wolves aren't saints but they sure aren't the devil incarnate. seen lots of pics of lions chawing down on critters also that weren't dead yet-mother nature is a cruel taskmaster for sure. we have huge numbers of wolves here but we also have more deer,moose and elk numbers are probably higher than they've ever been. Snaring is probably the most effective way of taking wolves in the wild but they do come into a predator call. The funny thing up here anyway is they've found that the wolves main diet in the summer was beaver-guess they don't like to hunt real far from the den after bigger stuff till the pups can travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Re: Wolves If you want to know the real story behind the pics go here... http://www.isleroyalewolf.org/photo_ess/pe_EP_kills_moose.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Re: Wolves [ QUOTE ] If you want to know the real story behind the pics go here... http://www.isleroyalewolf.org/photo_ess/pe_EP_kills_moose.htm [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for posting that. Those pics are amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeE141414 Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Re: Wolves Wow...those are great pics and nice story! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tecumseh Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Re: Wolves Cool pics,Like it or not that's how nature works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M00N Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Re: Wolves [ QUOTE ] I have seen pictures from wolf attacks where part of the animal was eaten, usually rear quarters and stomach area, and the animals were still alive. Wolves have attacked flocks of sheep and maimed (took a few bites) of several and left them to die, or have killed an entire flock and fed on just a few. Wolves do not just kill to survive, as there are many documented cases of them killing just for the "fun" of it. It is what they do. As much as I love to hear the howl of a wolf in the wild, I firmly believe that there can also be too many wolves and the only means of natural control requires that they decimate the prey species they feed upon before their population drops off. As for the tale that there is no documented wolf attacks on humans, that is false. They would do the same to humans as they do to any other prey. [/ QUOTE ] Wolves are not the only predators that will sometimes start eating their prey before it is fully dead. The big cats do it quite often. Cats are actually known for playing with their food before killing it. Ever see your pet cat with a mouse? What does it do? Torture the mouse then when it's bored either lets it go or kills it. Big cats will do the same thing sometimes with their prey and North American big cats such as the mountain lion have been known to kill things and only eat portions of it and burry or hide the rest for another day. Alot of canine and feline predators do feed on their prey before its fully dead, especially when very hungry. When the predator kills a prey item that is too difficult to suffocate or break its neck it will just rip it apart killing it that way instead. In most cases the attacks on livestock where mass amounts of animals are killed, partially eaten, or not eaten at all are found to be from wolf hybrids (crossed with dogs), habituated (tamed by people) wolves, or sick/ill wolves. Also pressure from humans taking away wolves' territory and areas to live cause similar problems to happen when the wolves do not have the correct amount of wild game to feed them in the area. Wolves by nature do not kill for fun, but to feed themselves and their pack. They will gorge themselves until they are full and return over and over again through a couple days to eat as much as possible of the carcass before it becomes too spoiled for them to eat. What they don't eat the scavangers eat. It's all part of nature. Wolves are opportunists if they see someone's livestock unattended and they are hungry of course they will eat it. Wolves like any other wild animal cannot distinguish between wild prey and offlimits prey owned by humans. To them any hooved animal or prey like animal is fair game. I do believe wolves, like any other animal, do need their populations controlled to fit the area they have to live and shouldn't be put in situations where they are starving to death because there is too many of them. Of course there will be wolf attacks on humans. Saying there isn't any is defiantely a false statement, but saying that wolves intentionally prey on people and consider us a main prey item is false. A healthy wolf will not consider a human prey, but actually a predator after them, and in most cases stay a distance from us and try to get away from us. The attacks on humans that have occured by wolves were in most cases one of the following reasons behind it. The person got too close to the wolves den where it had pups (wouldn't you protect your child if you thought they were in danger?), the person trapped/cornered the wolf (wouldn't you fight to get free?), the wolf was ill with a disease of some kind causing it to not act normal in the first place, the wolf was starving or very hungry due to either overpopulation or overharvest of their prey, the wolf was habituated (tamed by people) and lost its fear of people, or the wolf was a hybrid with a dog of some kind and lacked the natural fear of people nor the correct instincts to be truly wild. [ QUOTE ] Wolves eat approximately 12% of what they kill, the rest goes to waste! [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure where you got this information, however, it is false. Wolves eat until they are full. Whether that is 100% or 50% depends on the size of the prey. They will return and continue to eat on the prey as long as something else doesn't take it from them or disturb it. Once it spoils then they will abandon it and the scavengers will pick up what's left. Something has to feed the scavengers, though. That's part of nature. In most cases with normal sized prey like deer the wolf will eat everything except the fur and bones off the carcass and attempt to pick it clean. They never know when they might go hungry and like all dogs will stuff themselves full until they cannot eat no more and burry what is left over for another day. True wolves, not a wolf hybrids or habituated (tamed by people) wolves, do not intentionally waste food. There are always exceptions to a species of animal's common behavior. I mean look at people I believe every family out there can admit they know someone who is blood related to them in some way that is a criminal or acts outside what we consider normal human behavior. Yet, we don't turn around and say that whole family is bad because of that one bad apple in the bunch. People have one bad experience with an animal and turn around and tries to deem all those same kinds of animals the same way, when in most cases it isn't true. You have to look at the whole before making statements on what's normal wolf behavior. Ask the people who work with wolves on a daily basis at a zoo or people who've gone out to study and live with the wolves for years what normal behavior is for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Re: Wolves yup just got that in an email last eve too.. I know one thing..Ida been shooting with something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkoholic Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Re: Wolves The idea that wolves only kill when hungry and only to feed themselves is flat out wrong. They kill because it is their nature. Blaming wolf kills on wolf/dog crosses is another claim wolf proponents come up with which is seldom true. For the most part, the only time a wolf will return to an old kill is if there is nothing else to kill. Wolves will "waste" food intentionally. Believe it. While it is true that wolves can not differentiate between cattle and other ungulates, to spend millions of dollars in tax payers money to relocate them to cattle country is absurd. They also kill domestic dogs and cats along with coyotes by the hundreds and do not usually feed on the carcasses. As for people who study wolves in a zoo, well, it's a zoo. The people who do wolf research in the wild are mostly wolf supporters who often bend the truth. Ask the people who live in wolf country how wolves really act and just how afraid of people they really are. I can tell you from personal experience, they have no fear of man, at least until we start shooting some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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