Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Reading MichiganHuntr1's post about I'm doing my part made me think of something. He's doing something voluntarily (as opposed to a government mandate) to combat a problem that he thinks he can help solve. If we all decide that this problem - Global Warming from greenhouse gases - is significant enough, are we really willing to take the steps necessary to try to reduce greenhouse gas emissions? Most people think that greenhouse gases come from cars, buses and other vehicles. But interestingly enough, livestock are responsible for 18 percent of greenhouse-gas emissions as measured in carbon dioxide equivalent, according to the U.N. This includes 9 percent of all CO2 emissions, 37 percent of methane, and 65 percent of nitrous oxide. Altogether, that's more than the emissions caused by transportation. AND, livestock are the fastest growing sector of global agriculture, so this "problem" will only worsen as time goes on. But there is a bright spot. All we need to do is look to the PETA crowd for enlightenment. Animal-rights activists and those advocating vegetarianism have been quick to pick up on the implications of the U.N. report. "Arguably the best way to reduce global warming in our lifetimes is to reduce or eliminate our consumption of animal products," writes Noam Mohr in a report for EarthSave International. Changing one's diet can lower greenhouse gas emissions quicker than shifts away from fossil fuel burning technologies, Mr. Mohr writes, because the turnover rate for farm animals is shorter than that for cars and power plants. So, my question to each of you is this: Are you willing to become a vegetarian to stop Global Warming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part [ QUOTE ] Are you willing to become a vegetarian to stop Global Warming? [/ QUOTE ] No way, think about it. Warmer temps=longer grilling season. So in reality...I'll have more time to grill my steaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganHuntr1 Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part Nope But if we cut on the other 82 percent of greenhouse emissions well have a little more leeway for cattle. I love meat. But the little things we do sometimes has a big effect on this big planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part you can have my steak when you pry my cold dead hands from it!!! LOL my steaks are right up there with my guns!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part not a chance. took me 5 minutes to quit laughing over mugg's comment. i love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part all i can say is..FIRE UP THE GRILL!!! I wanna hear the sizzle!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DU_man_84 Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part haha, yeah right, i would never give up my beef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part OK, everyone seems to be in agreement that going "veggie" is a bad idea. Yet, if you can believe the science behind the U.N. reports, that's what we should all be doing instead of attacking the fossil fuel industry. So why should the car companies, power companies, and oil companies bear the burden of reducing greenhouse gas emissions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part Tex, lets not jump the gun here. Global warming is a load of hog wash. I was just sittiing on 14-inches of ice all last week catching crappie and walleye. It was -26 with the windchill. Seemed cold from where I was sitting. And, in no way to I see anyone putting pressure on the cattle industry to eliminate green house gas. Anyway, I think alternative fuel sources will start to be used eventually, partly for the damage they're doing to the environment (which is no where near as bad as what certain groups would like us to believe) but mainly because fossil fuels are limited. The oil industry will be forced to adapt because they, if anyone, realizes that their industry is based solely on a limited resource. Once they start dumping those billions into creating alternative fuel sources, everything will be fine, and Global Warming will be a forgotten thought, just like that dreaded hole in the Ozone layer. Remeber that one? When that happens, all the doomsdayers and sensationalist will find a new cause to scare everyone with. In the meantime, I'm gonna enjoy my steak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part Ahh NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganHuntr1 Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part [ QUOTE ] Tex, lets not jump the gun here. Global warming is a load of hog wash. I was just sittiing on 14-inches of ice all last week catching crappie and walleye. It was -26 with the windchill. Seemed cold from where I was sitting. [/ QUOTE ] Wow So you think its a load of hog wash because where you were sitting it was cold? Let me tell ya Muggs....just because its cold where you are sitting, doesnt mean it is on the other 99.99999999999999999999999999 percent of the planet. Hmm....is this why this january was the warmest ever on the planet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Tex, lets not jump the gun here. Global warming is a load of hog wash. I was just sittiing on 14-inches of ice all last week catching crappie and walleye. It was -26 with the windchill. Seemed cold from where I was sitting. [/ QUOTE ] Wow So you think its a load of hog wash because where you were sitting it was cold? Let me tell ya Muggs....just because its cold where you are sitting, doesnt mean it is on the other 99.99999999999999999999999999 percent of the planet. Hmm....is this why this january was the warmest ever on the planet? [/ QUOTE ] You know what Mich, the warmest January day in Ohio history occurred in 1897 according the the Farmer's Almanac. You think that was global warming? Come on bud. And when, in a few years, we record the coldest April ever...what will you say then? Weather tends to occur in cycles. You do realize our warm January was caused by wind patterns that brought warm air from tropical regions, don't you? Then this blistering cold was caused by alberta clippers. Anyway, wouldn't all these greenhouse gases just be harmlessly escaping throught the hole in the ozone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganHuntr1 Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part Okay well maybe muggs if you payed attention to the news you wouldve heard that this january was the warmest ever on the planet. Who cares about a local reason, lol this is planetary. And no they wouldnt just escape, gravity, plus theyre heavy particles compared to whats up there. Oh and btw, the farmers almanac is bogus. They said that id have a snowy february. havent yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part [ QUOTE ] muggs if you payed attention to the news [/ QUOTE ] Why would I do that? I can think for myself. Besides...you can only hear about all the things you should be worried about, or all the deaths and murders for so long before you've become one of the cynics yourself. Not to mention, the "news" is by far the most sensationalized source of biased, skewed, information you can access. [ QUOTE ] And no they wouldnt just escape, gravity, plus theyre heavy particles compared to whats up there. [/ QUOTE ] I know, I was kidding. [ QUOTE ] They said that id have a snowy february. havent yet. [/ QUOTE ] WHAT!?!? Call the NEWS!!!! Its global warming. You can't believe everything ya breathe bud. Oh, and, if in a few weeks the weather starts to warm...the snow starts to melt, and the leaves start to come back, don't worry. Its not doomsday, its just spring. Happens every year. But if for some reason around October, if the leaves start changing these weird colors of red and orange and even fall off the limbs...you better buy a battery-operated car because something is seriously wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part [ QUOTE ] Tex, lets not jump the gun here. Global warming is a load of hog wash. [/ QUOTE ] I agree. But for those who do believe that Global Warming is a man made event, I'm presenting them with a solution that the U.N. says will work. I'm just trying to gauge everyone's reaction to a proposed solution that will have a direct impact on their daily lives. And I'm also interested in hearing what arguments those who support other restrictions will give for NOT supporting something like mandatory vegetarianism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part Sorry Tex, I misuderstood ya there and once I get rolling, it snowballs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part No problemo. Going back to my original post - according to the U.N., livestock are doing much more damage than cars. And removing livestock emissions will "clean up" the greenhouse gases faster than removing automobile emissions. So why are we going after the cars instead of the livestock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part I guess I just have a hard time believing livestock are impacting this more than automobiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part [ QUOTE ] Okay well maybe muggs if you payed attention to the news you wouldve heard that this january was the warmest ever on the planet. [/ QUOTE ] How could the news even report something like that? How could anyone even make a statement like that? I'm not certain how far back recorded weather records go, but I can safely say, they don't go back that far...LMBOROF I think I'll just keep eating meat until the Lord comes. That's my solution..it's called "faith" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part [ QUOTE ] I guess I just have a hard time believing livestock are impacting this more than automobiles. [/ QUOTE ] agree, Ive heard the livestock argument before, but if its true why is there more smog in L.A. than Omaha, Nebraska? i would love to see the rear end of a cow that put out the clouds of crap that come out of some old cars, or smoke stacks for that matter. Maybe if you put 10,000 cows in a smoke stack and they dropped there load at the the same time i guess. I doubt anyone in this forum has an electric car, what makes you think they would give up meat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part Good point CH. That's why I have to say that this theory from the U.N., like so many others involved with the man made global warming debate, is nothing more than JUNK SCIENCE! Absolutely NOTHING has been proven yet by using proper scientific research methods. The scientific community is roughly divided into three camps. One camp says that there is global warming, its caused by man, and its going to be a big problem. The second camp says that there is global warming, but its a natural phenomenon caused by increased solar activity and other events beyond our control. And the third camp says that all we're seeing is a normal climate shift and even if we do nothing at all, the trend will reverse itself soon (in the next 20 or so years) and the planet will begin cooling. But of course, all we hear from the press and the liberal politicians is the first theory, even though approximately 2/3 of the rest of the scientific community disagrees with it. And based on that, they want us to make significant lifestyle changes that will negatively inpact the country? What friggin planet are these people from? Oh wait, I know! They're all from Planet Gore!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan1990 Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part someones been watching to many al gore films. global warming is not an issue. how is all the ice melting gonna flood us? take a glass and fill it with ice. let the ice melt. does the glass overflow? no, the water actualy goes down. if people would use common sense they would realize that its not even a threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part Global warming is real.....the average temperature is increasing. The only problem with the GW fanatics is that they simply just cannot explain how they expect the earth to get cooler or stay constant when the sun is in a period where it is spitting out excess heat. It can't do it. The other problem that I have is that the GW freaks only want to talk about taxing the US and other capitalistic societies to fix the problem. They don't talk about China, the world's biggest polluter because China will tell them where to go....that or shoot them. Now if you want to talk about air quality and pollution, I am there. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 Re: Global Warming - Doing Our Part If we were all to become vegetarians then no one is eating the cattle, pigs, lambs, venison and so on. Yet, unless we kill them all or "fix" them so they don't reproduce they will continue to multiply, thereby expotentially increasing their negative impact on our environment. I hereby promise to try and eat as many of them as I can to help out. I'm willing to take one for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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