_MD_ Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I copied the article below from the Montana Fish Wildlife and Parks web page. As most of you know it has been proposed that wolves be delisted. Public comment is being accepted now. Send in an email to support the proposal. The email addy & more info can be found below. Federal Hearing On Wolf Delisting Set For Helena The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service will hold a public meeting in Helena on its proposal to remove the gray wolf from the federal list of endangered species. USFWS announced in January that it proposes to delist the northern Rocky Mountain’s gray wolves. The meeting in Helena is set for March 1, at Jorgenson’s Inn & Suites, 1714 11th Ave. An informational public meeting will run from 3-5 p.m. and the official public hearing will follow from 6-8 p.m. The proposal to delist wolves in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming--and parts of Washington and Utah--is based on the USFWS’s determination that the northern Rocky Mountain population has exceeded recovery goals and all the potential threats to it, except inadequate state regulations in northwestern Wyoming, have been resolved. Brief presentations on the USFWS’s proposal will be offered from 3-4 p.m., followed by a question-and-answer period. Formal testimony will be accepted during the public hearing. Send comments via e-mail to [email protected] ; or mail to U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Wolf Delisting, 585 Shepard Way, Helena, MT 59601. Comments must be received within 60 days of the proposed rule’s publication in the Federal Register, which occurred Feb. 8. For more information on the federal proposal to delist the northern Rocky Mountain’s gray wolves, visit www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/wolf/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves its about time. thats all i have to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbeck Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves Took 100 years to get rid of those things, took 3 years to reinvent a problem. I love the fact that people in a city, can think how great it would be to see a wolf on there vacation and reintroduce a serious problem. JMO, but if country poeple can't put mas murderers in the parks of major cities to add spice to the show cops. Why can city people put wolves back into the mix of the country life style. I might get beat up for this post, if I have offended anyone I appoligize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves I agree it's time to delist wolves. Bald eagles too, for that matter. But because the decision for both species will likely be based on politics rather than science, it's unlikely to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobblegobblebang Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves No offence here. They are talking about charging $9.50 per tag as soon as 2009 yeaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!! Can not wait Google wolf pics with moose! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves [ QUOTE ] I agree it's time to delist wolves. Bald eagles too, for that matter. But because the decision for both species will likely be based on politics rather than science, it's unlikely to happen. [/ QUOTE ] Would have to agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves [ QUOTE ] I agree it's time to delist wolves. Bald eagles too, for that matter. But because the decision for both species will likely be based on politics rather than science, it's unlikely to happen. [/ QUOTE ] i also dont understand why the bald eagle is on the list. they are everywhere. there is a game warden that lives just out of Augusta montana and he takes all the roadkill off the roads and puts them in a pasture behind his house. once there is quite a few dead animals in those fields there is 15-20 or more bald eagles in that pasture at any given time. they could take them off the list but i guess its a politics thing. im not saying when they take them off the list to shoot them im jsut saying that i think there is enough to take them off the list. also the other day when i was drivin home there was a pasture that a bunch of cows were calvin in and there was 12 bald eagles right next to the road eatin afterbirth. i hardly ever see golden eagles though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tarbaby Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves Not to stir anybody up but before they do this I believe there needs to be more studies on the wolves. I'm not from an area with wolves but delisting them to me just gives a better chance at people shooting them for no reason. I didnt think the population was up enough yet to do this as well. Could someone inform me on the goods of delisting them so I dont get things mixed up please?? Thanks, Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves Actually delisting wolves, or any other species for that matter, really doesn't have anything to do with being able to hunt them. But it has everything to do with the federal government telling landowners what they can and can't do with their own private property. For example, if you have a nesting bald eagle within a certain distance of your home, you can't legally run a jackhammer or any other loud tool. You also can't cut trees over a certain size if they're near the eagle's nesting site. Lots of crazy rules and regulations like that. That's why the enviro-whackos will fight delisting ANY species tooth and nail. They don't want to see any type of development allowed in any areas - period. Look for a big court fight if the USFWS does attempt to go through with the delisting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tarbaby Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves This may be a little extreme but in my opinion leave em on the list. It might prevent more of them being illegally shot on ranches that they are 'suspected' to be killing cattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves i dont think you guys see what wolves are doin to elk and deer populations. i read in a magazine that 1 wolf alone needs about 50 deer or about 20-25 elk per year to survive. im sure there are exceptions but around Gardiner MT they used to give out 300 elk permits. due to increasing wolf and grizzly populations they now only give out 30. that is really sayin something. people are always going to illegally kill animals, so taking them off the list or leaving them on is not goin to stop this. but taking them off the list and allowing permits will help not only control the wolves but help increase the elk and deer pops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves the wolves are a terrible mistake, and we need to fix it. the government is way, way out of line with this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyote Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves [ QUOTE ] This may be a little extreme but in my opinion leave em on the list. It might prevent more of them being illegally shot on ranches that they are 'suspected' to be killing cattle. [/ QUOTE ]tarbaby You don't have a clue!!!! The goverment trappers are trapping and killing wolves all the time. Why...........because there killing some much livestock!!!!!! I used to be able to ride up the river from my place any time of the year and see any where from 3 to 12 moose in an evening. Now............THERE GONE!!!! The area behind my used to have 1,000 cow elk permits every fall, now..............less than 300. And the G&F is saying they're going to get rid of the season all together. I could go on and on. The federal goverment says that WY has to maintain 7 pack of 10 wolves at all times. We have over 23 packs!!! Some of the packs have more than 20 wolves. The feds should delist the wolves so the state of WY can manage them and our game herds. You can bet we'll manage the wolves like any other game. I'm sure you know how to do that don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_MD_ Posted February 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves I believe there are area's now that ranchers can shoot wolves that are killing livestock, without a goverment hunter. But regardless of that ranchers need to have the right to protect their livelyhood and the state must have the right to manage wildlife within its borders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobblegobblebang Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves Before anybody gets the wrong idea about what the wolves are doing, you really need to do some research on the matter. I live in Idaho where they have reintroduced them and they are wreaking havoc on our big game herds. Any animal that kills for the pure pleaser needs to be managed if you post your email address I will be glade to send you picture of six wolves taking down a full grown moose. Eating him alive. I am sure that most of the people on this site hunt for big game and they do it in the same place every year making it some what of a tradition. That is the way I was raised. Picture if you will going to your favorite white tail hunting area and finding nothing. That is what is happening where I live but on a grand scale. I used to be able to go into an area and find herds of elk that would be there year after year but now they are so scattered you are lucky if you see any sign. As I said above if there is an animal that kills for the pure pleasure of it, It must be managed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves notice that all these comments about delisting the wolves is a good thing is commin from all of us in the west(montana,wyoming,&idaho). we are all dealing with this first hand and all people who dont know waht is really going on is just going to have to trust us when we say delisting is a very good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbeck Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves [ QUOTE ] Took 100 years to get rid of those things, took 3 years to reinvent a problem. I love the fact that people in a city, can think how great it would be to see a wolf on there vacation and reintroduce a serious problem. JMO, but if country poeple can't put mas murderers in the parks of major cities to add spice to the show cops. Why can city people put wolves back into the mix of the country life style. I might get beat up for this post, if I have offended anyone I appoligize. [/ QUOTE ] Beg to differ on the only people that want the wolf delisted coming from the west. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves half of Wis is ready too!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobblegobblebang Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves You will beg to differ if you have wolves introduced in your favorite hunting area, I promise!!! You will be yelling just as loud as we are. What do we need to do for you to understand? How about if we reintroduce the grizzly bear back into the lower 48 states. When people start to disappear then let’s reevaluate the situation. Same thing but people will have to die first. If you do not live with the PROBLEM you have no idea of what the PROBLEM is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves [ QUOTE ] You will beg to differ if you have wolves introduced in your favorite hunting area, I promise!!! You will be yelling just as loud as we are. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe I misunderstood here, but think maybe he was agreeing with you, but saying that it is not just people from the west who support the idea of delisting the wolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves [ QUOTE ] notice that all these comments about delisting the wolves is a good thing is commin from all of us in the west(montana,wyoming,&idaho). we are all dealing with this first hand and all people who dont know waht is really going on is just going to have to trust us when we say delisting is a very good thing. [/ QUOTE ] Hey, I've never seen a wild wolf in my life, but I'm all for delisting. As a matter of fact, I wish the entire Endangered Species Act would just go away. It's being abused right now on a grand scale by the lefties in the enviro-wacko movement and that abuse is causing a huge hardship on many many people throughout the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves [ QUOTE ] You will beg to differ if you have wolves introduced in your favorite hunting area, I promise!!! You will be yelling just as loud as we are. What do we need to do for you to understand? How about if we reintroduce the grizzly bear back into the lower 48 states. When people start to disappear then let’s reevaluate the situation. Same thing but people will have to die first. If you do not live with the PROBLEM you have no idea of what the PROBLEM is. [/ QUOTE ] Disagree with you, I dont live with the problem and know all about it. I have been following the wolf story for years (since the re-introduction) I know they are a big problem up there. I also dont think they should be wiped off the map either. I think they should be managed like all the other game animals. Remember Elk, Moose, and wolves even used to live all across the U.S.A from coast to coast untill we showed up. You dont have to live out west to see whats going on. You just need to do a little looking. Its kinda funny that the pics that you guys keep bringing up(wolf kill) where shot in Michigan not anywhere near the west. The grizzly analogy dosnt really work, i dont think the wolves are eating people, and i doubt the bears could do much damage to the deer poputaions in the east. in short im all for the de-listing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig mack Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves The U.P. is ready!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetailtrax Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves The wolf debate is always intriguing and always gets people fired up. We all have our own thoughts and opinions on what should be done or shouldn't be done with regard to wolves in the lower 48. As a wildlife biologist in Montana, I have close colleagues working on wolf management issues and I have close friends who make a living ranching in wolf country.....puts me in a position to dance around the issue and rarely state my true feelings or opinions on the issue. I do know that emotions run high when the topic comes up. I will say, that I think it is time to turn management over to the states. I think in time this will ensure that all voices - both pro and anti will be heard and we'll be able to manage wolf populations at a level that will be acceptable to most people. There will always be those that want every last won eliminated and others that preach "the more the marrier". I'm guessing most of us fall somewhere in between Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007hunter Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Re: Delisting Wolves Shoot. Shovel. Shut up....problem solved!! Don't get caught though!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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