johnf Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier: "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government." "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." "From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship." "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years." "During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence: 1. From bondage to spiritual faith; 2. From spiritual faith to great courage; 3. From courage to liberty; 4. From liberty to abundance; 5. From abundance to complacency; 6. From complacency to apathy; 7. From apathy to dependence; 8. From dependence back into bondage" Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election: Number of States won by: Gore: 19; Bush: 29 Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000 Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2; Bush: 2.1 Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..." Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase. If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Re: The Fall of democracy? So there won't be a United States by 2012? Look out Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Re: The Fall of democracy? I don't agree with the timeline, but the overall premise is sound. And that's a problem with pure democracies. The people can vote on anything, even stupid ideas like saying the government "owes" everyone free healthcare, and if enough people want that stupid idea, it becomes law. Fortunately, we don't live in a democracy. Our representative republic has more built in safeguards to prevent that sort of thing. But given enough time and barring some unforseen circumstances (like more terrorist attacks resulting in massive U.S. civilian casualties), it's likely that the U.S. is trending toward some form of Socialism, and from there its just a short step into dictatorship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest michael_bolton Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Re: The Fall of democracy? There will be, and a democrat will be in charge, reparations and other forms of welfare will take the place of hard work, and Michael Bolton will come back strong with his 29th CD that will go on to triple platinum...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Re: The Fall of democracy? [ QUOTE ] Fortunately, we don't live in a democracy. Our representative republic has more built in safeguards to prevent that sort of thing. But given enough time and barring some unforseen circumstances (like more terrorist attacks resulting in massive U.S. civilian casualties), it's likely that the U.S. is trending toward some form of Socialism, and from there its just a short step into dictatorship. [/ QUOTE ] Unfortunately would have to agree with this. This is what scares me the most with the thought of dems gaining more control. No doubt in my mind whatsoever that Hillary will take this country to some sort of form of socialism, dont understand why some people wont open their eyes. Like mentioned above it is not a big step from there to a dictatorship or form of communism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan1990 Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Re: The Fall of democracy? we went over this in my civics class. but how does illeagals voting mean that there wont be a usa in 5 years? im against illeagal immagration but im trying to understand that part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Re: The Fall of democracy? I'm sure glad I live in a republic and not a democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Re: The Fall of democracy? [ QUOTE ] we went over this in my civics class. but how does illeagals voting mean that there wont be a usa in 5 years? [/ QUOTE ] That's based on the assumption that the 20 million or so illegal aliens in this country would vote for the most socially and fiscally liberal candidate in every election. If that happens, conservative candidates would have no chance of winning, and the nation's move toward Socialism/Communism would happen very rapidly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan1990 Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Re: The Fall of democracy? oh that makes sense now. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Re: The Fall of democracy? What is worse the public voting to give themselves "gifts" or the "more educated" leaders voting to give themselves a raise every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Re: The Fall of democracy? i think the lack of education on the subject (politics) is what will bring down our republic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Re: The Fall of democracy? [ QUOTE ] i think the lack of education on the subject (politics) is what will bring down our republic. [/ QUOTE ] That and the apathy Steve. Most people today don't care about politics or voting. The day that 20 million illegal immigrants vote in this country is the day the earth freezes over, based simply on the fact that minorities in general do not make up a large percentage of the voter turnout percentage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Re: The Fall of democracy? [ QUOTE ] What is worse the public voting to give themselves "gifts" or the "more educated" leaders voting to give themselves a raise every year. [/ QUOTE ] Lets see, 400 congressmen getting 100,000 a year = $40,000,000 per year. That a lot of money. Or 20,000,0000 illigals getting $1,100 a month every month, that's $246,000,000,000 per year, not including medicare and SSI for the disabled ones and social security for the old ones. I'd rather line the pockets of the guy who got elected than those who came here as criminals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Re: The Fall of democracy? The dems want to "spread the wealth" by taking away money earned by those who worked for it and became "wealthy", i.e. calling Microsoft a monopoly and wanting to limit his ability to make more money. Another example - trying to force Wal-mart to unionize. Another example - health care provided by the government. Most with health insurance pay for it ourselves or subsidized by our employers. Government health care for all others is not health care paid for by the government - it's paid for by everyone else and all employers thru added taxes. Democracy = Socialism/Communism No one's responsible for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Re: The Fall of democracy? [ QUOTE ] Another example - health care provided by the government. Most with health insurance pay for it ourselves or subsidized by our employers. Government health care for all others is not health care paid for by the government - it's paid for by everyone else and all employers thru added taxes. Democracy = Socialism/Communism No one's responsible for themselves. [/ QUOTE ] Unfortunately the deadbeat low lifes who do not contribute at this point continue to be supported by those who do. The redistribution of the working classes income by the dems only takes more money from those working who really need and deserve to keep more of their own money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Re: The Fall of democracy? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What is worse the public voting to give themselves "gifts" or the "more educated" leaders voting to give themselves a raise every year. [/ QUOTE ] Lets see, 400 congressmen getting 100,000 a year = $40,000,000 per year. That a lot of money. Or 20,000,0000 illigals getting $1,100 a month every month, that's $246,000,000,000 per year, not including medicare and SSI for the disabled ones and social security for the old ones. I'd rather line the pockets of the guy who got elected than those who came here as criminals. [/ QUOTE ] I dont know where you got that from, but i was speaking about legal U.S. citizans If i had my way the border would have a forty foot fence running from the pacific to the gulf of mexico. I have ZEERRRROOO respect or apathy for illigal aliens. Lining the pockets is more like a bribe, i would call what they do legal theft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Re: The Fall of democracy? [ QUOTE ] What is worse the public voting to give themselves "gifts" or the [/ QUOTE ] If they were naturalized they would have the ability to vote and influence the votes of congress. I know it's a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Re: The Fall of democracy? It will be know as Socialism and it will be be the downfall of America Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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