carbonhunter Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I have a question, (im not real well versed in the bible). We all are desendents from adam and eve right?? Then does that mean the church condones insest? I dont understand how 2 people could populate the earth without some major in-breeding and second if we all cam from adam and eve why did our skin color change. Meaning why are there differant races?? The first question I heard on a T.V. show the other night and it got me thinking so then i came up with all these other questions. Like why are asians smaller than americans? and how can someone believe in demons but not aliens? As you can see im pretty much lost when it comes to talking religion so can anyone help me out here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan1990 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? well the reason that it wasnt wrong is because the bloodlines were pure. and people lived to be well over 700 so there could be a huge gap like you could be 100 years older than your sibling and never have met them. and people are different skin colors because they have adapted t the climate they are in. like Africans are black because the sun is so hot there that they would get really bad sunburnt. also there was the tower of babel where God devided up the races and languages. aand people can believe in deamons but not aliens because the Bible very clearly mentions demons on several occasions and confirms that they exist. but it says nothing about aliens. hope i helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? [ QUOTE ] I have a question, (im not real well versed in the bible). We all are desendents from adam and eve right?? Then does that mean the church condones insest? I dont understand how 2 people could populate the earth without some major in-breeding and second if we all cam from adam and eve why did our skin color change. Meaning why are there differant races?? The first question I heard on a T.V. show the other night and it got me thinking so then i came up with all these other questions. Like why are asians smaller than americans? and how can someone believe in demons but not aliens? As you can see im pretty much lost when it comes to talking religion so can anyone help me out here? [/ QUOTE ] Can you marry your sister? No, because of genetic mutations and recessive genes carried through families. How then could the world be populated by two people? If you believe that God created Adam and Eve then you would have to believe that they were perfect with no genetic mutations. Without these mutations and recessive genes, Adam and Eve's children could reproduce without any negative reprocussions. As for skin color and body size. I saw on discovery (not any religious channels) that Northern Africans have all genetic traits of all of the current known races in the world. If geographically seperated and breading within the groups, different groups could produce (after many generations) everything from a Northern European looking blonde haired blue eyed to the deepest darkest African, asian, and all other races. It's my personal theory that when God confused the languages of the people at the tower of babble that the people who could understand each other traveled off together and settled down and formed what we see today. Why are asians smaller than Americans? Could be their diet. If you think about the body size of deer or black bass, then environment and food supply have a big impact. If there is plenty food and the environment is right, they get bigger. When the food supply isn't good and the environment is harsh, they are smaller. Demons vs aliens. The bible is very clear about Demons and to my knowledge does not even hint on aliens. Who's to say that the deciever (satin) isn't using his legions to confuse people by doing things that appear to be extra-terestrial. There are lots of guys on here who are pretty well versed on the bible. Feel free to ask anything. If I'm not sure I can refer you to preacherman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? [ QUOTE ] like Africans are black because the sun is so hot there that they would get really bad sunburnt. [/ QUOTE ] OH MY GOD!!! Did I really just read that?!?! I'm not even going to touch that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? Black people burn too by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan1990 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? yes i know black people burn. i lived with one for a couple of years. im not sure why that is so crazy. go spend a couple years with the natives in africa and run around outside naked all day. i bet youll be significantly darker. and now think of being there for thousands of years. theyve adapted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? Sorry, that was just to easy not to jump on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? I'm still reeling in shock from the statement I quoted, and I'm tired, and I have to study for a test tomorrow. On the upside, I did get a 92 on my test last week for Intro to Biblical Literature, so maybe I can be of some assistance. I am not going to try and get into a theological debate in this thread, and even though I am a Christian, I do not believe in Adam and Eve and that they populated the earth. Does it make me less of a Christian, no it doesn't. I honestly wish I could get my professor to reply to this topic, because he is obviously more well versed than I am, what with degree's in Divinity, Physics, Astronomy and the like. He's written some books dealing with studying the bible, his name is Lloyd Bailey, maybe you should check him out. He's also an ordained minister, just for those who think he's just another liberal professor. I am only going to say this though. People in the Old Testament didn't really live to be 700 years or so, basically, certain numbers in the bible, like 7 for instance, are meant to honor somebody, when they wanted to honor somebody numerous time, they just added to the number. Did you know that most scholars belive that the first five books of the bible, the Torah in the temple, or Pentateuch in the Greek, were written by several different authors. So labeled as the Yahwist, the Elohist, the Deuteronomist, and Priestly writings. They believe this because in the Hebrew text, there are stories that seem similar but contradict themselves, ie. Creation, Noah. Also, within the same books, there are different writing styles, as well as different references to God, one writer called him Yahweh, another called him Elohim. Reading the bible has become a lot more interesting when you learn how it was written, and why it was written. If I had my books and notebook for the class here at the desk instead of in my truck I could elaborate more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? [ QUOTE ] yes i know black people burn. i lived with one for a couple of years. im not sure why that is so crazy. go spend a couple years with the natives in africa and run around outside naked all day. i bet youll be significantly darker. and now think of being there for thousands of years. theyve adapted [/ QUOTE ] That is what is called "evolution"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? Don't want to offend you Sluggo, but what religion is the prof of yours? Just because someone has written 100 books, doesn't make them right. My advice to you with this guy is to get the best grade in the class you can and forget what he's telling you. Find a real bible believing school to do your biblical research. If you can't believe parts of the bible, you can't believe any of it. I don't want to offend you bud, I just think theis guy is way off base and leading you in the wrong direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? [ QUOTE ] Don't want to offend you Sluggo, but what religion is the prof of yours? Just because someone has written 100 books, doesn't make them right. My advice to you with this guy is to get the best grade in the class you can and forget what he's telling you. Find a real bible believing school to do your biblical research. If you can't believe parts of the bible, you can't believe any of it. I don't want to offend you bud, I just think theis guy is way off base and leading you in the wrong direction. [/ QUOTE ] He is Methodist, and the school I work at and take classes at is Methodist University. I personally don't believe he is way off base, he didn't formulate these idea's, biblical scholars formulated these idea's. Me personally, I can't take the bible as literal, I tried when I was younger, and I just had too many questions. Questioning doesn't make you less of a believer, and in fact, taking this class and the one I took with him last semester makes me a stronger believer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? Interesting questions there Aaron. Have had these discussions with a few people before. Why are there 30 some odd subspecies of deer, and how can one subspecies grow to a mature size where they will weigh no more than 100 lbs as where far up north another species will easily excede 350 lbs if let go to mature ages? About adaptability to environments, no evolution involved, just adapatability. As far as whether or not you could marry your sister, there was in fact incest going on in the early days, no way around it. Dont think that all the children born from incest however were plagued with poor traits. If that were the case, mankind would not exist today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] like Africans are black because the sun is so hot there that they would get really bad sunburnt. [/ QUOTE ] OH MY GOD!!! Did I really just read that?!?! I'm not even going to touch that one. [/ QUOTE ] Ah, lest we forget, the best scientific theory currently available holds that we're ALL Africans by way of numerous generations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phaseolus (BeanMan) Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? I don't have a sister so the answer would be no.... BeanMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? [Can you marry your sister?] I believe that's only allowed in West Virginia and Alabama these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? [ QUOTE ] [Can you marry your sister?] I believe that's only allowed in West Virginia and Alabama these days. [/ QUOTE ] Watch it now............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? [ QUOTE ] If you can't believe parts of the bible, you can't believe any of it. [/ QUOTE ] I'm surprised to hear you say this John. Don't you think that many of the stories were written as metaphors and fables, for the purpose of teaching people. I think you can believe a lot of the Bible without taking every single story at face value. For example, the "apple" in the Adam and Eve story most likely represents sexual intercourse. Thus, man's giving into temptation. As for the whole diffence of skin tone. As that ryan guy not so lightly stated, it's most likely a result of environmental exposure for thousands of years. To put it into a context you and I can understand, the same species of fish can look really different in different bodies of water. Over prolonged periods of time, exposure to high levels of direct sunlight could raise the skin pigmentation of a group of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan1990 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If you can't believe parts of the bible, you can't believe any of it. [/ QUOTE ] I'm surprised to hear you say this John. Don't you think that many of the stories were written as metaphors and fables, for the purpose of teaching people. I think you can believe a lot of the Bible without taking every single story at face value. For example, the "apple" in the Adam and Eve story most likely represents sexual intercourse. Thus, man's giving into temptation. As for the whole diffence of skin tone. As that ryan guy not so lightly stated, it's most likely a result of environmental exposure for thousands of years. To put it into a context you and I can understand, the same species of fish can look really different in different bodies of water. Over prolonged periods of time, exposure to high levels of direct sunlight could raise the skin pigmentation of a group of people. [/ QUOTE ]the apple did not represent sex. it was never even reffered to as an apple it was a forbidden fruit. God made sex and made adam and eve with the intent for them to have sex and populate the earth. they were husband and wife so having sex would not be sin or giving into temptaion. but what you said about the environment effecting the pigmentaion of the skin is exactly what i was getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKYhunter Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Don't want to offend you Sluggo, but what religion is the prof of yours? Just because someone has written 100 books, doesn't make them right. My advice to you with this guy is to get the best grade in the class you can and forget what he's telling you. Find a real bible believing school to do your biblical research. If you can't believe parts of the bible, you can't believe any of it. I don't want to offend you bud, I just think theis guy is way off base and leading you in the wrong direction. [/ QUOTE ] He is Methodist, and the school I work at and take classes at is Methodist University. I personally don't believe he is way off base, he didn't formulate these idea's, biblical scholars formulated these idea's. Me personally, I can't take the bible as literal, I tried when I was younger, and I just had too many questions. Questioning doesn't make you less of a believer, and in fact, taking this class and the one I took with him last semester makes me a stronger believer. [/ QUOTE ] John is exactly right. If only one sentance in the Bible is untrue, then all of Christianity is a farce. How would you know which parts are true and which are untrue? You could then pick and choose which parts you wanted to believe and which you didn't or you could go on what you're "Heart" tells you but you know what the Bible says about the heart. "The heart of man is excedingly wicked, who can know it?" If your professor is teaching this, I think I'd get out of there quick. But that's kinda how it's going now a days, some even teach that gay marriage and homosexuality is ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? [ QUOTE ] I'm surprised to hear you say this John. Don't you think that many of the stories were written as metaphors and fables, for the purpose of teaching people. I think you can believe a lot of the Bible without taking every single story at face value. [/ QUOTE ] Ryan covered the apple thing and I don't think I could have said it any better. As far as stories in the bible, there are parables in the bible that Christ used to teach life lessons and didn't actually happen. When these parables are in the bible it very clearly says they are parables. If it doesn't say that, I do take it at face value. I believe that Adam, Cain, Enoc, and even Methusila lived every day that the bible says they lived, literally. If God can cause the creation of the universe and everything in it, why couldn't he make a man that can live as long as he wants them to live? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? [ QUOTE ] it was never even reffered to as an apple it was a forbidden fruit. [/ QUOTE ] So a piece of fruit was the reason for the original sin. That must have been some special fruit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? The fruit was from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Satin told Eve that if she ate it then she would know all that God knew and thus be equal toe God. Many people think that Eve sinned by eating it. That's not the case, Eve was never told not to eat it, Adam was. Eve was decieved by Satin. Adam was not decieved, he ate it of his own free will. That was the fall of man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan1990 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? well it wasnt about the fruit it was about the fact that God set one simple rule and they disobeyed it. so it wasnt the fruit it was the principle behind it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUGARKAHNE Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] it was never even reffered to as an apple it was a forbidden fruit. [/ QUOTE ] So a piece of fruit was the reason for the original sin. That must have been some special fruit. [/ QUOTE ] I don't believe it was the fruit that was so special besides the fact that they were told not to eat it. The act of taking it anyway was an act of defiance against God-Eve was basically saying she knew better than God and that she could eat it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan1990 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Re: Can you marry your sister? ^^^ exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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