johnf Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 I am not by any stretch of the imagination a liberal and am usually about as far right as imaginable, but I do have a couple things that are probibly a bit left of center. 1. I think there should be price restrictions on all medical based spending. ie. Heart surgery will cost X amout of dollors and never go over. Meds will cost X amout. I think that would force some Dr. to drop prices so they would do more buisness. Why spend $5K on Dr. A when you can go to the best Dr. for the same price. Dr. A would have to drop his price to get buisness. (theoretically) 2. Legalize and regulate marijuana. Doing so would make the prison population drop dramatically. We could tax it and make tons of money. People could get safer stuff. I think the amount of people who would start that aren't doing it already would be negligable. So, how many of you jump the politcal fence on occation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? Well John, I am independent as far as how I am registered. My views as most would agree are pretty conservative, I will vote for those who best represent my views, not surprising that is most often republicans. As far as your notion on legalizing dope, why stop there? Go one and legalize coke and meth while you are at it, sure money could be made, drug dealers could be put out of business at the same time. Would save lives right??? Really you have to think about the what ifs that follow when talking about things like this. Never should legalizing any drugs ever be a consideration for attempting to increase tax intake. Far as a cap on physicians rates, don't know. Most insurance companies have a guidelines of sorts already of what they view as reasonable and customary, if the physicians charges exceed that, the patient eats it, does not really seem fair, but then again is it fair to knock down a physician who excels at what they do and asks for a little more? Kind of like is it fair to ask a home builder who builds fine homes to take a lesser amount of money because another builder can do the same job for less money. Free market society in most cases the consumer or patient will have some choices and options, cannot hardly knock someone down if they are the best at what they do and ask a little more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? I don't think any kind of manufactured drug should be legal nor should coke or opium drug. I may be wrong here, but I don't think it's even possible to O.D. on pot. I don't think it carries any physical addiction. I think 99% of people who would smoke it already are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? John, my point is that if you start legalizing a drug that is currently illegla, it opens the door for more to follow. Nothing good could possibly come from legalizing any illegal substances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I know I'm not going to change your mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? [ QUOTE ] 2. Legalize and regulate marijuana. Doing so would make the prison population drop dramatically. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah then cocaine and heroine after that then right You want to know how to cut down on the prison population, here is how... First you kill off all the people sitting on death row wasting tax dollars when you know and I know they are guilty. Next, take all the televisions, gyms, exercise field, good food, money, free time, etc, from the prisons and see how quick the prisons get less crowded. Making the funky smoke legal is not how you cut down on prison populations. This country would have worse problems if you legalized pot. Did you bump your noggin today or something How would you feel if your directing a band and all your instrument players are high as a kite? They would all be sitting there giggling and having the munchies while your trying to teach them how to play an instument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? LOL, sure would raise the average BMI (body mass index) wouldn't it. I really don't think that many more people would smoke it then already are. I think if legal it should be treated just like alchohol, 21 and up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? [ QUOTE ] 1. I think there should be price restrictions on all medical based spending. ie. Heart surgery will cost X amout of dollors and never go over. Meds will cost X amout. I think that would force some Dr. to drop prices so they would do more buisness. Why spend $5K on Dr. A when you can go to the best Dr. for the same price. Dr. A would have to drop his price to get buisness. (theoretically) [/ QUOTE ] Two problems I can see so far. Are you going to regulate the amount of insurance these doctors are paying for? Malpractice is the number one law suits today. Second, you’re assuming that Dr. A IS AS QUALIFIED as Dr. B – When considering your own healthcare, do you typically choose the cheapest doctor or the most expensive or the one you feel is the best? [ QUOTE ] 2. Legalize and regulate marijuana. Doing so would make the prison population drop dramatically. We could tax it and make tons of money. People could get safer stuff. I think the amount of people who would start that aren't doing it already would be negligable. [/ QUOTE ] Here you really do sound like a liberal. The answer to it all is to legalize, tax it and reap the “tons of money” benefits. Sorry, legalizing something that isn’t legal seems to me like not addressing the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? I am assuming one Dr. is better at his job then the other. (not uncommon) Many people go with the cheapest option. [ QUOTE ] Here you really do sound like a liberal. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah I know, it even seems strange to me. That's really how I feel on it though. I don't think it's a good thing to legalize drugs in general, but there are many legitimate uses for this particular one, I think it would be relatively easy to regulate, and I really don't think that it's use would increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? Lets try to get back to the question at hand. Do you cross the political fence on any issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? [ QUOTE ] Lets try to get back to the question at hand. Do you cross the political fence on any issues? [/ QUOTE ] John I personally don't view issues like you are suggesting as to whether they are liberal or conservative issues independently and try to determine if I support or dont support them based solely on whether they are liberal or conservative, so I cannot answer your question with a yes or no like you would like. I make MY decisions and MY determinations and form my own views based on my own moral, ethical, and personal opinions of how I view those issues, not on whether or not they are the same views as liberals or conservatives. That said, think in my initial post I probably answered your question as best as possible. I don't cross fences, I stand where I stand, and hold firm in my views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? [ QUOTE ] So, how many of you jump the politcal fence on occation? [/ QUOTE ] I can't think of one instance where I'm even close to center......let alone liberal. I contain the ferocity of my conservatism in this forum due to the nature of how the Realtree boards operate. You all wanna have a lesson in ultra-conservatism sometime, let's talk politics over a coffee someday. If there is an instance, it's definitely not governmental price fixing or dope smoking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bruteshooter Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 2. Legalize and regulate marijuana. Doing so would make the prison population drop dramatically. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah then cocaine and heroine after that then right You want to know how to cut down on the prison population, here is how... First you kill off all the people sitting on death row wasting tax dollars when you know and I know they are guilty. Next, take all the televisions, gyms, exercise field, good food, money, free time, etc, from the prisons and see how quick the prisons get less crowded. Making the funky smoke legal is not how you cut down on prison populations. This country would have worse problems if you legalized pot. Did you bump your noggin today or something How would you feel if your directing a band and all your instrument players are high as a kite? They would all be sitting there giggling and having the munchies while your trying to teach them how to play an instument [/ QUOTE ] AGREE!!! And it sounds like someone might, maybe, just could be smoking something now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? [ QUOTE ] So, how many of you jump the politcal fence on occation? [/ QUOTE ] I never get down off the fence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 2. Legalize and regulate marijuana. Doing so would make the prison population drop dramatically. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah then cocaine and heroine after that then right You want to know how to cut down on the prison population, here is how... First you kill off all the people sitting on death row wasting tax dollars when you know and I know they are guilty. Next, take all the televisions, gyms, exercise field, good food, money, free time, etc, from the prisons and see how quick the prisons get less crowded. Making the funky smoke legal is not how you cut down on prison populations. This country would have worse problems if you legalized pot. Did you bump your noggin today or something How would you feel if your directing a band and all your instrument players are high as a kite? They would all be sitting there giggling and having the munchies while your trying to teach them how to play an instument [/ QUOTE ] AGREE!!! And it sounds like someone might, maybe, just could be smoking something now? [/ QUOTE ] First off, I'm pretty sure John isn't smoking anything, illegal or not, right now. Secondly, while I have never partaken of the ganja weed, I don't really see a problem with its legalization. Alcohol is a drug isn't it, last time I checked, it's illegal to drink and drive is it not? Why can't the same restrictions be placed on Marijuana? Like John said, the govt. can control it and tax it much the same way they do alcohol and cigarretes, which is a drug also with the nicotine and everything else in it. While I do believe in the death penalty, just because someone is in prison or is on death row, doesn't mean they are guilty of the crime they are being punished for. Me personally, I don't want an innocent persons blood on my hands. As long as there are parents who don't care how to raise their kids, and as long as we live in a selfish "I want" society driven by greed and money and material gain, we will always have a prison population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? [ QUOTE ] And it sounds like someone might, maybe, just could be smoking something now? [/ QUOTE ] Don't smoke cigerettes, pot, pipe, don't chew, dip or snuf. Have never snorted, sniffed or shot-up or speedballed (not even sure what that is). I do drink a beer with my dad about 2 times a year, but sence I'm 38 that's perfectly legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? I absolutely cannot believe anyone is in favor of legalizing any drug what-so-ever. Yeah, I want my childs bus driver with THC in his system. C'mon! Truth of the matter is very few people are in prison for "marihuana". Marihuana does not carry the same sentence has harder type drugs do. Marihuana usually only results in short County Correctional time..not prison, there is a difference between the two. Maybe some people want people with THC in their systems driving in cars, tractor trailers, ambulances, school buses. How about practicing medical stuff, reading x-rays, and handling your blood test results, reading MRI's, and ultra-sounds...I don't. I also don't buy the "Well they won't be under the influence while at work"... this stuff does not leave your system like alcohol does. It stays with you... I don't by the crap that marihuana does not really have much effect on users...c'mon...everyone knows a burnout or two from their high school years. [ QUOTE ] I really don't think that many more people would smoke it then already are [/ QUOTE ] No... those who would do it, but don't, for fear of going to prison or losing their jobs if arrested would probably still not use it..would they. Amazing..simply amazing how often this comes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? Really didn't intend for this to be a debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? [ QUOTE ] I absolutely cannot believe anyone is in favor of legalizing any drug what-so-ever. Yeah, I want my child's bus driver with THC in his system. C'mon! Truth of the matter is very few people are in prison for "marijuana". Marijuana does not carry the same sentence has harder type drugs do. Marijuana usually only results in short County Correctional time..not prison, there is a difference between the two. Maybe some people want people with THC in their systems driving in cars, tractor trailers, ambulances, school buses. How about practicing medical stuff, reading x-rays, and handling your blood test results, reading MRI's, and ultra-sounds...I don't. I also don't buy the "Well they won't be under the influence while at work"... this stuff does not leave your system like alcohol does. It stays with you... I don't by the crap that marijuana does not really have much effect on users...c'mon...everyone knows a burnout or two from their high school years. [ QUOTE ] I really don't think that many more people would smoke it then already are [/ QUOTE ] No... those who would do it, but don't, for fear of going to prison or losing their jobs if arrested would probably still not use it..would they. Amazing..simply amazing how often this comes up. [/ QUOTE ] I couldn't agree more Ken. And I might add that it is addictive. My brother-in-law is proof of that fact. Why would anyone want to legalize "another" mind altering substance? Don't we have enough problems already with alcohol? There are a few medicinal purposes that it can be used for as a treatment, but that would mean a prescription would be necessary. Over the counter...no way Hose' As far as sitting on any fence goes, I can say ditto to what wtnhunt and Strut10 have already stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? [ QUOTE ] Really didn't intend for this to be a debate. [/ QUOTE ] I know ya didn't John. You just gave the marijuana thing as a example of going against your basic political view. Then someone accuses you of smoking the stuff. Funny how people are isn't it. Then they do not even answer your question. Thread is officially hijacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? [ QUOTE ] Thread is officially hijacked [/ QUOTE ] Well....isn't that the nature of the beast?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Re: Do you cross the fence? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Thread is officially hijacked [/ QUOTE ] Well....isn't that the nature of the beast?? [/ QUOTE ] Well, I wouldn't say officially Highjacked...after all, we are disgussing a comment or comments made in the original post Thread is locked by request of original poster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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