ohiobuckhunter Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 is anyone or did anyone watch this on discovery today? if so what did you think of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus I didnt see it I forgot all about it. But i can guess my answer to [ QUOTE ] what did you think of it? [/ QUOTE ] I dont buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterDWL Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus heard some talk about it the other day no opions here yet time will see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exturkinator Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus I watched the whole thing - they had some serious preconcieved notions that they wished to prove (they absolutely had found Jesus' tomb, Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene, Jesus had a son, Jesus was not resurrected in body, etc) - they did not prove any of this. My overall impression is that they drew some serious conclusions from very insecure, inconclusive "science"... They can in no way ensure the validity or authenticity of the samples in the tomb that was found (perhaps all of that stuff was put in there in 100 AD? perhaps all of that stuff was put in there 300 years ago? how do they know what has transpired with those boxes and bones in that tomb for the last 2000 years? has all that stuff been untouched for 2000 years?) It is impossible to validate the authenticity of the materials they used - another eg the bone boxes and bone samples sat in an unsecured warehouse for 25+ years. Their argument that was used to say that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married is an absolute farce... True science cannot validate any conclusion that is drawn from starting material that is unconfirmed... Ultimately, "science" will never get these types of people past who Jesus was/is - he is indeed a "stumbling block" to them and they will never be able to "explain" him away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus [ QUOTE ] I watched the whole thing - they had some serious preconcieved notions that they wished to prove (they absolutely had found Jesus' tomb, Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene, Jesus had a son, Jesus was not resurrected in body, etc) - they did not prove any of this. My overall impression is that they drew some serious conclusions from very insecure, inconclusive "science"... They can in no way ensure the validity or authenticity of the samples in the tomb that was found (perhaps all of that stuff was put in there in 100 AD? perhaps all of that stuff was put in there 300 years ago? how do they know what has transpired with those boxes and bones in that tomb for the last 2000 years? has all that stuff been untouched for 2000 years?) It is impossible to validate the authenticity of the materials they used - another eg the bone boxes and bone samples sat in an unsecured warehouse for 25+ years. Their argument that was used to say that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married is an absolute farce... True science cannot validate any conclusion that is drawn from starting material that is unconfirmed... Ultimately, "science" will never get these types of people past who Jesus was/is - he is indeed a "stumbling block" to them and they will never be able to "explain" him away. [/ QUOTE ] Yep, I agree completely and certainly couldn't have said it any better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christsavedme Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus [ QUOTE ] I watched the whole thing - they had some serious preconcieved notions that they wished to prove (they absolutely had found Jesus' tomb, Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene, Jesus had a son, Jesus was not resurrected in body, etc) - they did not prove any of this. My overall impression is that they drew some serious conclusions from very insecure, inconclusive "science"... They can in no way ensure the validity or authenticity of the samples in the tomb that was found (perhaps all of that stuff was put in there in 100 AD? perhaps all of that stuff was put in there 300 years ago? how do they know what has transpired with those boxes and bones in that tomb for the last 2000 years? has all that stuff been untouched for 2000 years?) It is impossible to validate the authenticity of the materials they used - another eg the bone boxes and bone samples sat in an unsecured warehouse for 25+ years. Their argument that was used to say that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married is an absolute farce... True science cannot validate any conclusion that is drawn from starting material that is unconfirmed... Ultimately, "science" will never get these types of people past who Jesus was/is - he is indeed a "stumbling block" to them and they will never be able to "explain" him away. [/ QUOTE ] Very well said! No I didn't watch it! And want watch it if it comes on again! I know the truth and I read the truth everyday! I don't need some half hearted scientist that thinks he may win a prize for his research pursuade me to believe something different! God was and is the Alpha and the Omega! As I said I know the truth and I read it every day! Oh and did you hear that there is a college student that has come up with a science project that can possible explain how God spoke everything into exsistence.....ya...he is going to be releasing his findings in the next couple of weeks. but don't hold your breath and expect to see that on the discovery channel. They never show things like that. Owell! I know the truth and will live my life trying to get it to others! May God bless each and everyone of you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus I dont think it would matter if they could prove anything, if your religous your not going to believe any different anyway, if your a scientist your not going to buy into the religous angle.Everyone I spoke to had thier own pre concieved ideas long before this episode aired and had no plans to change them.Its an area where theres little room for open mindedness, you either believe or you dont. Just curious, if Jesus and Mary Magdalane were married and had a child whats that mean anyway?Does it change anything?Does it make the rest of it less true?Seriously, I dont see the difference one way or the other or why it would even matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvDog Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus [ QUOTE ] I watched the whole thing - they had some serious preconcieved notions that they wished to prove (they absolutely had found Jesus' tomb, Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene, Jesus had a son, Jesus was not resurrected in body, etc) - they did not prove any of this. My overall impression is that they drew some serious conclusions from very insecure, inconclusive "science"... They can in no way ensure the validity or authenticity of the samples in the tomb that was found (perhaps all of that stuff was put in there in 100 AD? perhaps all of that stuff was put in there 300 years ago? how do they know what has transpired with those boxes and bones in that tomb for the last 2000 years? has all that stuff been untouched for 2000 years?) It is impossible to validate the authenticity of the materials they used - another eg the bone boxes and bone samples sat in an unsecured warehouse for 25+ years. Their argument that was used to say that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married is an absolute farce... True science cannot validate any conclusion that is drawn from starting material that is unconfirmed... Ultimately, "science" will never get these types of people past who Jesus was/is - he is indeed a "stumbling block" to them and they will never be able to "explain" him away. [/ QUOTE ] Very well said my brother! I watched some of this (and Tivo'ed the rest) but feel the same way...alot of assumptions and unsubstantiated conclusions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus Did not see it. Not going to waste my time with that nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus [ QUOTE ] Just curious, if Jesus and Mary Magdalane were married and had a child whats that mean anyway?Does it change anything?Does it make the rest of it less true?Seriously, I dont see the difference one way or the other or why it would even matter. [/ QUOTE ] This would change EVERYTHING. It would mean that nothing in the Bible were necessarily true. God said that in the end times, that stuff like this would happen. False prophets and distorting of the truth. It's not surprising. I just feel sorry for the folks that fall for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus i wont watch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus I watched it and it was very interesting. Absolutely fake and started with a preconceived notion, but interesting. I don't have a background in Hebrew or Aramaic so I had to take their word for it on the unique nature of Mary and Jesus's brother. Ted Koppel and the two men pretty much picked them apart during the discussion afterwards, quoting people who say their conclusions (aka the DNA didn't match between Jesus's and Mary Magdalene's DNA). The filmmaker kept hiding behind "I am a journalist" when they asked why full DNA wasn't done on eveyrhting and all the casks. However, it did raise a very intriging question. Did Jesus's physical body ascend with him? I will have to study on that a little more but my kneejerk reaction is that after appearing to the disciples in human form (the disciples felt the nail holes if I remember correctly) he left the human body behind. I wouldn't think that anything human would ascend into heaven. But I could be wrong. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus [ QUOTE ] I watched it and it was very interesting. Absolutely fake and started with a preconceived notion, but interesting. I don't have a background in Hebrew or Aramaic so I had to take their word for it on the unique nature of Mary and Jesus's brother. Ted Koppel and the two men pretty much picked them apart during the discussion afterwards, quoting people who say their conclusions (aka the DNA didn't match between Jesus's and Mary Magdalene's DNA). The filmmaker kept hiding behind "I am a journalist" when they asked why full DNA wasn't done on eveyrhting and all the casks. However, it did raise a very intriging question. Did Jesus's physical body ascend with him? I will have to study on that a little more but my kneejerk reaction is that after appearing to the disciples in human form (the disciples felt the nail holes if I remember correctly) he left the human body behind. I wouldn't think that anything human would ascend into heaven. But I could be wrong. New [/ QUOTE ] New, Jesus walked the earth before ascending into Heaven and when He did...He left in His earthly body. Acts 1:9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierbuck Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus Jesus acended into Heaven bodily, and so did at least one of the Old Testament prophets...help me out here-Elijah rode up in a chariot of fire?? HB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus [ QUOTE ] Jesus acended into Heaven bodily, and so did at least one of the Old Testament prophets...help me out here-Elijah rode up in a chariot of fire?? HB [/ QUOTE ] Dead on the money. Elisha was his sidekick and got a double portion of the power of Elijah. 2nd Kings, Chapter 2: 7. And fifty men of the sons of the prophets went, and stood to view afar off: and they two stood by Jordan. 8. And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground. 9. And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me. 10. And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so. 11. And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. 12. And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces. 13. He took up also the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and went back, and stood by the bank of Jordan; 14. And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the LORD God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over. 15. And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him. ------------------------------------------------------ In the end times two men are suppose to be killed in the streets and everyone will know who they are. I believe that passage is in Revelations. A lot of people believe one of those people will be Elijah since he has never naturally died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus Well, I dunno. I don't know if his earthy body went with him, dissentigrated (he will be the only one that doesn't need his earthly body come ressurection time), or was left. If it was left and found by the disciples, it is completely feasible that they would have put him in the family tomb like they did per custom. With respect to Mary Magdelan, she was a devoted follower without a family I believe so it is feasible that Jesus demanded she be buried in his tomb. All of this is suspect and open for discussion but it doesn't change anything in my mind. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus [ QUOTE ] I don't know if his earthy body went with him, dissentigrated (he will be the only one that doesn't need his earthly body come ressurection time), or was left. If it was left and found by the disciples, it is completely feasible that they would have put him in the family tomb like they did per custom. [/ QUOTE ] According to MY bible, when the stone was rolled away the tomb was EMPTY. No bones. Another thing they have failed to recognize..... Jesus was from Nazareth. He wouldn't have been buried where they claimed to have found his "remains". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus I watched and found it very interesting. I actually didn't know he has some brothers and sister ! Geez, went to Catholic school for 8 years, shame on me. I watch most of all the religious shows, like that and Noah's Ark. I don't have to believe them to make it intertaining too_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvDog Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus [ QUOTE ] According to MY bible, when the stone was rolled away the tomb was EMPTY. No bones. [/ QUOTE ] AMEN to that! Wow! That just gets me all excited and happy inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus [ QUOTE ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just curious, if Jesus and Mary Magdalane were married and had a child whats that mean anyway?Does it change anything?Does it make the rest of it less true?Seriously, I dont see the difference one way or the other or why it would even matter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This would change EVERYTHING. It would mean that nothing in the Bible were necessarily true [/ QUOTE ] Hows that make anything untrue?The bible never mentions his marital status and near as I can tell never mentions him living a life of abstinence either.Matter of fact Im not real sure theres anything in the bible that would directly refute the possibility, of course I been wrong before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUGARKAHNE Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus [ QUOTE ] According to MY bible, when the stone was rolled away the tomb was EMPTY. No bones. [/ QUOTE ] Amen sister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogwild63 Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus If there are physical remains of Jesus on this earth, that would make the Bible untrue in that it claims Jesus ascended into heaven. This is why there were 2 Roman guards stationed at the tomb as the Chief priests new of the claim Jesus would ascend. Matthew 27: 62-66. The only thing the DNA established is that the Jesus and the Mary in the tomb were not related to each other and, since they "think" it was a family tomb, then they made the assumption that the Jesus and the Mary were married and the others in the tomb were their children - but they did not compare the DNA of the others in the tomb to see if the DNA matched with either Jesus or Mary. The other thing about the DNA is that there is no DNA from Jesus or Mary to compare the DNA of the bones in the tomb. The assumption was is that the tomb said "Jesus, son of Joseph". However, Jesus, Joseph and Mary were amounst the most common names in those times. It would be like discovering a grave site in the year 4000 with the head stones saying, "Mike, son of Bob" and "Lisa". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus This crap is all about attmpting to create doubt and about making money. There are no bones. As said before when the stone was rolled away there was nothing there, Jesus ascended to heaven in his own human body. Anything any scientist or hollyweird producer claims in making these attempts to sell their lies are not in any way consistent with what the bible says and anyone who believes in Christ should take this garbage for just that. Far as dna, no one has Jesus dna there is no way to compare, and the whole idea of this is really pretty lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christsavedme Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus [ QUOTE ] This crap is all about attmpting to create doubt and about making money. There are no bones. As said before when the stone was rolled away there was nothing there, Jesus ascended to heaven in his own human body. Anything any scientist or hollyweird producer claims in making these attempts to sell their lies are not in any way consistent with what the bible says and anyone who believes in Christ should take this garbage for just that. Far as dna, no one has Jesus dna there is no way to compare, and the whole idea of this is really pretty lame. [/ QUOTE ] AMEN brother! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Re: Tomb of Jesus What got me is when they said it looked as though they had been Vaccumed out. What kind of Archeologist Vacuums out the remains. I believe the whole thing is a farse and they are just trying to sell their video. I do admit it was interesting but fiction none the less. If it ever were proven true it would have astounding effects on the bible's authenticity. If certain things are false the stories start falling apart. However I doubt it will EVER be proven false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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