unioncountyslayer Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women [ QUOTE ] I think it's a good idea. Then make the Politics and Religion room back to just "Politics". I like the Realtree Crossroads name too. [/ QUOTE ] I think it's fine to leave it as the Politics and Religion room because There are other religious issues around the globe that don't have anything to do with Christianity. However, they usually do have something to do with Politics. So whatever is fine with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun_300 Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think it's a good idea. Then make the Politics and Religion room back to just "Politics". I like the Realtree Crossroads name too. [/ QUOTE ] I think it's fine to leave it as the Politics and Religion room because There are other religious issues around the globe that don't have anything to do with Christianity. However, they usually do have something to do with Politics. So whatever is fine with me. [/ QUOTE ] Yup, good point, never thought of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeWalker Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women OK....let's address this a little......it will not be a Christian room only, but chances are it will be the majority......everyone is welcome. This room is simply to serve the people, who don't want to be wrapped up in politics......it is a place of refuge and renewal......a place to uplift and be uplifted......a place for questions and also answers......and finally a place for testimony and worship. Chances are if a person is not a beleiver of any sort, than they won't be spending much time there, so there is really no need for them to get worked up or worry about it. Just like I'm not much of a turkey hunter. I think I've visted that room maybe 3 times in the last 6 years....just doens't interest me much, but I certainly won't belittle others for wanting to go there......and if I ever have a question about turkey hunting, i know right where to go..... Gator, in my opinion, simply going to church doesn't, but I think if they believe in the God and that Jesus died for their sins, than they could be considered Christians.......just not very devout ones as they are just not following the commandments very well, and are greatly jeapardizing their chances of getting to heaven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted March 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women [ QUOTE ] Just like I'm not much of a turkey hunter. I think I've visted that room maybe 3 times in the last 6 years....just doens't interest me much, but I certainly won't belittle others for wanting to go there......and if I ever have a question about turkey hunting, i know right where to go..... [/ QUOTE ] That's it in a nutshell. There's a lot of rooms in here that you can count the times I've posted on one hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I gotta question I would like to have answered. First off, what is your opinion of say those who may drink alcohol 7 days a week, cuss a storm, yet go to church on Sunday? Just because they go to church, does that make them a Christian? [/ QUOTE ] Using that logic, if I park my motorcycle in the garage that makes it a car... [/ QUOTE ] Not logic, it is real life, I've seen it EVERYDAY. Now can someone please enlighten me? [/ QUOTE ] Jason, going to church doesn't get you to Heaven. Believing that Christ died for our sins and asking him to become a part of your life is what gets you SALVATION. But I know where you are coming from. I see it everyday too. Folks get saved and then after the new wears off...they revert back to drinkin and cussin and what have you, then hitting the pews on Sunday mornings. I truly believe that God will deal with them one way or another. Either in this life or afterwards....... And yep Buckee...this is a good discussion for the new room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women Such ridicule and demeanor going on here! Shame on some of you for even discussing why.....for shame! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women Sounds to me like someone needs to make the room and move this thread into there ... or just move it to the religion room where it belongs now ... since it got jacked Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogwild63 Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women [ QUOTE ] Kinda sounds to me this is going to happen, so can people like me have a "On the fence about god" forum as well......? [/ QUOTE ] It's called the Lounge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogwild63 Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women [ QUOTE ] Not logic, it is real life, I've seen it EVERYDAY. Now can someone please enlighten me? [/ QUOTE ] Ok, so you see it EVERYDAY. Does that change anything? God is still God. Does that mean you should not check out the Word of God for yourself and see why someone who lived 2000 years ago is still impacting peoples lives today? Some of the most profound Christians came from sorted backgrounds. Some of the biggest charlatans are the most charismatic. Seems like instead of pointing out that there are alot of hypocrites (or just messed up people needing a savior), one would study the Word of God real hard to know which is which. Get some Bible commentaries, Bible dictionaries, etc. Sometimes it is good to know what the word meant in Hebrew or Greek before it was translated into English. For example, the word "love". Which one does the Bible use for "God so loved the world...?" Aheb, hesed, agape, eros, or philia? You could just go to the Politics and Religion forum and ask for enlightenment on that subject, but I think you would get alot of agreement and not much enlightenment. Maybe if we had a forum where people could post devotionals and testimonies and prayer requests.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women [ QUOTE ] You could just go to the Politics and Religion forum and ask for enlightenment on that subject, but I think you would get alot of agreement and not much enlightenment. Maybe if we had a forum where people could post devotionals and testimonies and prayer requests.... [/ QUOTE ] PPL do that now in the lounge is all hes saying ... tons of prayer request in here ... lots of praises ... nothing wrong with any of that ... maybe they should just do what they talked about withthe photgraphy room and sub category the religion and politics room out ... if you want to take the descusion farther take it to the appropriate room ... just my 2 cents ... I think its a good idea ... if you dont care about it ... dont go to the room ... its real easy ... Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christsavedme Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women Well all I can say is its about time......Long overdue! Love the idea! Anything else I can add? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women I don't see it as being overdue. I came to this site to chat with other hunters and have enjoyed this place like crazy. I haven't seen one new person come on the forum and say "Hi, I'm new here....where's the religious section?" What am I missing that it's long overdue? I pray, believe in God, don't beat my kids or wife and try be a good person. I pray for buddies on this site who can use it. Guess that ain't enough to get into heaven, from what I'm feeling here. Sorry, maybe I got up on the wrong side of the couch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogwild63 Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women [ QUOTE ] Guess that ain't enough to get into heaven, from what I'm feeling here. [/ QUOTE ] huh!!!! Where'd that come from? I do not see anywhere on here where someone mentioned being on this particular forum in order to get to heaven. I guess I'm confused. I thought this is America where Christians still had the right gather and worship anywhere they wanted??? It's a shame this will probably be griped into non-existance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women [ QUOTE ] "Hi, I'm new here....where's the religious section?" What am I missing that it's long overdue? [/ QUOTE ] Craig, there already is a religious room. So I'm not sure why people are saying this is long overdue. From what I've read, the issue is non-Christian posts in that room taking away from the Christian threads. You know, I love to fish for steelhead. But there's a lot of bass and musky threads in the fishing room. So really, I think a steelhead room is long overdue too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogwild63 Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women [ QUOTE ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kinda sounds to me this is going to happen, so can people like me have a "On the fence about god" forum as well......? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's called the Lounge. [/ QUOTE ] On second thought, bring your on-the-fenceism to the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women [ QUOTE ] From what I've read, the issue is non-Christian posts in that room taking away from the Christian threads. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with that 100%. I dont surf the politics and religion room very often for that very reason. If I had a dedicated room it would probably be the second room I surf (behind the lounge). Everyone apposing seems to be throwing off the vibe that it would effect them... How? What does it matter to those that dont want the room? Almost certainly the Mods have a behind the screen room where they can discuss issues and such..... Ive never heard anyone gripe about that! There are rooms here that people dont seem to use enough. So? What about rooms that a small majority use religiously such as the Plot room? I have never planted a food plot but Im not going to gripe because those that do have a room. Who Cares? Seriously. Realtree has ALWAYS been known for its laid back attitude. Dont turn it into every other forum by aising a ruckus because you dont want to be part of a room thats on here. At the end of the day it doesn't make a hill of beans to anyone other than hose that are looking forward to using it. Is anyone going to be laying in bed tonight starring up at the ceiling, unable to sleep because "Those dang Christians are probably in there posting right now!" I seriously doubt it. If a new Church Springs up in your town do you go down to City hall and ask "Why? We already have a Church!" Not likely. This is a FREE site hosted by RT. It always has been and will more than likely always be. Use it for what it is and stop the belly ache. If you dont want to use the room... fine. You can make that choice to simply not click on that link. Go read some hunting stories and let other members enjoy something Scott and the gang was good enough to Add. Its no different then Church. The doors are open, you're more then welcome, but no one is twisting your arm to be there. Although it wouldn't hurt you to show up..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Not logic, it is real life, I've seen it EVERYDAY. Now can someone please enlighten me? [/ QUOTE ] Ok, so you see it EVERYDAY. Does that change anything? God is still God. Does that mean you should not check out the Word of God for yourself and see why someone who lived 2000 years ago is still impacting peoples lives today? Some of the most profound Christians came from sorted backgrounds. Some of the biggest charlatans are the most charismatic. Seems like instead of pointing out that there are alot of hypocrites (or just messed up people needing a savior), one would study the Word of God real hard to know which is which. Get some Bible commentaries, Bible dictionaries, etc. Sometimes it is good to know what the word meant in Hebrew or Greek before it was translated into English. For example, the word "love". Which one does the Bible use for "God so loved the world...?" Aheb, hesed, agape, eros, or philia? You could just go to the Politics and Religion forum and ask for enlightenment on that subject, but I think you would get alot of agreement and not much enlightenment. Maybe if we had a forum where people could post devotionals and testimonies and prayer requests.... [/ QUOTE ] Sorry, but you are WAY off base here in you reply to my question. And don't start preaching to me about what I should or shouldn't read. I simply asked a question about something that has bothered me for quite some time, and wanted some enlightenment on, but NOT to get "preached" at. There is ALOT of this "bible" stuff that I DO NOT understand, but for me to sit down and read and even TRY and understand, I can see NOT happeneing for ALOT of reasons, those of which I shall not concern you with. I just see ALOT of people that consider themselves "Christians" and are frequent churchgoers, but iMY eyes, are some of the biggest hypocrites I have EVER seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women [ QUOTE ] I just see ALOT of people that consider themselves "Christians" and are frequent churchgoers, but iMY eyes, are some of the biggest hypocrites I have EVER seen. [/ QUOTE ] Jason I agree 100% but there is a factor you're not seeing. Those people KNOW they are not Christian but at the back of their minds they are hoping that Calling themselves Christians will get them somewhere. They are very wrong. There is an old saying, "If you lie enough, eventually you'll start to believe yourself." God knows we aren't perfect. He created us and watched us (as mankind) fall. God doesn't Love those people any less. The point is they are like a lot of politicians. They call themselves good and "work for the people" but behind closed doors its a different story. They may carry the label but it does nothing for them personally. If a politician were to step up and say, "Ive been wrong, ill be wrong again, ill probably lie and be weak on occasion but I guarantee you ill do my very best to represent you in the most positive way possible!" he or she would have my vote. The same with Christianity. You have slews of true Bible believing, living right Christians. They aren't perfect, they are just forgiven. They wont claim to be perfect either. They love God and Jesus and do what they can to remain Holy. Then you have those that say "Sure Im a Christian" and live a very different life. What really matters is your heart. God knows us way better then we often think about. Even you Jason, believe or not. And he Loves you believe or not. Dont let someone Else's short comings step in the way of who you are and the path you could take. You wouldn't let it effect you in any other aspect, dont let it effect you in this one. No matter how long we strive to be like Christ we will NEVER be perfect. I guarantee you at some time ill slip today and do or think something I shouldn't. Its the flesh man. Its human nature for us to be weak but it isn't about how you fall, its about how you get back up...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women I want to add something, so some of ya'll don't think I am the devil or anything like that. I DO belive in god, and believe that there IS a God. But I DO NOT believe that I need to go to church to believe this. There are things that I do on a daily basis that I feel WILL NOT allow me to go to church, and these are things I don't see myself stopping, mainly because I have a weak "willpower" to these. And that is the problem I see with others, they do one thing during the week, yet they are in church on Sunday, something I just don't understand, nor agree with. But Jeramie, you hit that right on the head. THANKS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NS whitetail Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women I wasn't going to get into this, but --- jeramie -- that was a great reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women [ QUOTE ] I want to add something, so some of ya'll don't think I am the devil or anything like that. I DO belive in god, and believe that there IS a God. But I DO NOT believe that I need to go to church to believe this. There are things that I do on a daily basis that I feel WILL NOT allow me to go to church, and these are things I don't see myself stopping, mainly because I have a weak "willpower" to these. And that is the problem I see with others, they do one thing during the week, yet they are in church on Sunday, something I just don't understand, nor agree with. But Jeramie, you hit that right on the head. THANKS. [/ QUOTE ] So to summarize your belief (and many other's), anyone proclaiming to be a Christian must go out and live in the world without ever sinning again? So if someone cuts them off in traffic or they hit their thumb with a hammer, Christians aren't supposed to be mad or scream something they shouldn't. Well, you are right, we shouldn't....but newsflash we do. Paul wrote a big portion of the bible and he proclaims that...more or less..."the things I know I should do, I don't....the things I shouldn't do, those things I do. Anything that is good in me is from God and everything bad in me is from my sinful nature". Did God kick him out of the Christian's club? Nope. The bottom line is that the bible is VERY clear that believers will continue to sin. That's our very nature. To expect everyone who claims to be a Christian to never sin again is both unrealistic and against the bible. Now, having said that, Christians and people pretending to be one often do give very bad witnesses to the world. Some consider God and Church and Christianity to be a license to sin and then go say a prayer and get it all absolved.....I think those types need to check up. My advice to all who use this hypocrite line as a reason not to go to believe or go to church is this.....God isn't going to ask you why you didn't accept his gift of his son nor is he going to accept the "I didn't believe because of all those hypocrites". He is going to simply ask you one question....did you accept my son. The bible is very clear regarding church attendance and if the prerequisite for getting in is having no sin in your life, they would be empty. Just my take, no offense to anyone who doesn't agree. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women Really, this new forum doesn't bother me in the least, but the conversation about it is fun. Seems the easiest people to rile up are those who believe strongly in something and can't understand why others don't feel the same way. Be it religion or my Mathews is better than your Hoyt. I think there are enough Packer fans on this site to warrant a Packer forum. Long overdue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exturkinator Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women After reading all of the bantering (both sides), I still think it's a good idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women I like the idea. I voted for "Where the Trails Meet" for it reminds of my treestand meditations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Re: Room for Christian Outdoorsmen and women [ QUOTE ] I want to add something, so some of ya'll don't think I am the devil or anything like that. [/ QUOTE ] I dont think anyone thinks that man... [ QUOTE ] I DO belive in god, and believe that there IS a God. But I DO NOT believe that I need to go to church to believe this. There are things that I do on a daily basis that I feel WILL NOT allow me to go to church, and these are things I don't see myself stopping, mainly because I have a weak "willpower" to these. And that is the problem I see with others, they do one thing during the week, yet they are in church on Sunday, something I just don't understand, nor agree with. But Jeramie, you hit that right on the head. THANKS. [/ QUOTE ] Honestly its the Church itself; IMHO, if more then a few are doing this. Find a Good Christ Committed Church. It took my switching from Baptist to Pentecostal to find a place I could call home. That is no reflection on Baptist. One day I will walk the streets of heaven with people of many denominations. Even with my Church there still members that try to lead both lives. Its human nature. Its the never satisfied feeling we all carry. Its not going to change but you can overcome it. The point is those people are in that Church for a reason. Something is drawing them in the doors. There is a huge hole in their existence they are trying to fill. On Saturday night its a beer can. On Sunday they are looking for those answers inside of a Church. They may not find it this Sunday but if they keep looking Jesus will find them. Now dont take this as brash, you know I dont mean it like that. Find a GOOD Christian Church (one that makes your hair stand on end) and focus on you. Dont worry about other members and their problems. Work on you and get this thing right and get filled and you can accomplish so much. You know those people that filter in with beer still on their breath? You're going to be in inspiration to some of them. Seriously. You may not know it but someone is watching everything you do everyday. I promise you, you will change and others will notice. Those things you have as a weakness right now will pass, you'll feel and even look different and people will notice. It will impact others. I promise you Jason, you find a Church that lifts you up and makes you the Happiest guy around OKC and things will start to change and you wont look at this the same way. That goes for everyone. Church isn't suppose to be a religious thing. Its a God, Christ and Me thing. You can be religious about brushing your teeth. Why go to Church? In a nutshell..... Strength. Again, we are all human and fail. You admitted yourself that you have weaknesses you cant see giving up. Right now pick up any publication around you and you're going to find a temptation on something you're weak at. That stuff is everywhere and you see it every day. Church gives you a chance to Reboot and refresh. You find a good Church and those members will become family. They will be there to inspire, help, and pray with and for you. They will have your back. You say you have weaknesses you cant give up.... We all have things we think we cant give up. You can. I promise you, no matter what it is you can rise above it. Alone, no you cant. With Christ you can. That doesn't mean you have to stand up in a Church and tell all. That means that you attend a Church for strength, to find the truth in this thing, and eventually you still start working on you in a very good and positive way. Could you believe in God and Christ and worship from home? Sure. But why would you want to? Again, as people we are so Weak. Church will strengthen you so much and is a haven't to the shrapnel flying our way every day, if you go with the right heart. Dont worry about everyone else. Be a little selfish at first. Go there for you and yours. Its the Milk to Meat Method. Start out as a Child in Christ and in a few years you may very well be inspiring people to try harder. Hey, stranger things have happened. Here is where I am a bleeding heart. Your kids. I have no doubt you're a good Dad but having children in Church is so important. Todays society is so messed up it is important for kids to have that one thing that in 2000 years has NEVER fundamentally Changed. Granted there are those who have taken advantage of a title but those that truly follow Christ are the same today as they were in 1900. That stability is so important. Are kids still going to make stupid mistakes? You better believe it, we do. But it holds true for every single one of us. At some point in our lives we are all going to be faced with a situation we cant handle and or accept. We wont know what to do or cant figure out the answers. Rooted deep in everything you've ever known you'll know that all you have to do is hit your knees and you'll find the answer. Why go to a Church? When you're on you're knees searching, grasping, and looking for answers, those in that Church will gladly drop what they are doing and join you on their knees. When nothing else makes sense there is always one thing that is infinite, God. I know someone is reading this thinking "hokey" or "preachy" and thats fine. Im not trying to impress anyone. Im just telling you my story, what ive been through, and where I stand today because of the choices ive made and the ways my life has been blessed. Even a few years ago this response probably wouldn't have come from me. But Im telling you, put in a little effort, make this a serious part in your life, and in no time you'll look back at those weaknesses and you wont be able to imagine how they ever had a hold of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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