wtnhunt Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Re: Our children\'s Classrooms Honest opinion on this is that the theory of evolution needs to be taught as nothing more than a mans ideas of how things came to be, a theory and nothing more. I dont see where creationalism could not also be taught as another mans theory completely leaving religion out of the picture. Leaving religion out of it and taught as a general theory, it would not be so different than other theories. I have no doubts it could be done from a completely scientific standpoint without getting into any specific religious beliefs. JMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Re: Our children\'s Classrooms Scientific theory and me having a theory about something are two different things. A theory in scientific terms means a collection of evidence that points to one conclusion, there is much evidence that animals and humans evolved over millions of years whereas there is no scientific evidence that everything came together as it is 15,000 years ago. I have no problem believing in God and evolution, only that God caused it all to happen. How else do you explain Neanderthals and Dinosaurs. God didn't just put fossils in the ground so we would all have something to argue about at a later date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Re: Our children\'s Classrooms All I can say to your drivel slugger is read. You might learn something besides what they taught you in school. If you don't want to hear scientific evidents that points towards creation and away from evolution, then why bother even replying to a post like this. I did ask anyone who replies to at least read some of the on-line book before replying. You could do that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaskMan Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Re: Our children\'s Classrooms Here is sound science, not theory..... What mammal has the exact # of teeth as a human? What mammal carries a baby for the exact term of pregnancy as a human? What mammal mentsrates at the exact same interval as humans? I think that some of you may know the answer, it is a scientific fact not a theory. I know that this little ramble is sure to pi$$ people off but it is true. I ask then that if this is true should it be presented along with the theory of evolution as the similarities between this mammal and us are uncanny and based on scientific fact. What does this fact point towards??? I'm not going to give anybody my personal beliefs, don't feel as though it is important but people who are strong believers in creation will always support the evidence that lead to that belief, the ones who support evolution will always support the evidence that points to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Re: Our children\'s Classrooms Yep, and monkies have opposable thumbs right. They sure seemed to have evolved alot . Funny how one species has come so far while others have remained pretty well the same as they always have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Re: Our children\'s Classrooms I see not much has changed as far as attitudes over my 3 week computer hiatus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Re: Our children\'s Classrooms I did read some of it Buckee, and most of what I got out of it sounded extremely speculative as far as the "evidence" presented. I don't see why you are so offended, like I said, I believe God created this world and everything in it, but I don't believe that this whole world is 15,000 years old like some people believe, if thats what people choose to believe, then thats fine, it's not my place to tell someone they are wrong in their beliefs just like it's nobodies place to tell me I am wrong in my beliefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Re: Our children\'s Classrooms [ QUOTE ] I see not much has changed as far as attitudes over my 3 week computer hiatus. [/ QUOTE ] LOL. Guess you expected someone to change in your absence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Re: Our children\'s Classrooms "Here is sound science, not theory..... What mammal has the exact # of teeth as a human? What mammal carries a baby for the exact term of pregnancy as a human? What mammal mentsrates at the exact same interval as humans? I think that some of you may know the answer, it is a scientific fact not a theory." SaskMan, if you are going to state scientific facts I really wish you would get them correct. A giraffe has 32 teeth, the same as Humans. The gestation period of a Human is 266 days Orangutan is 245-275 days Chimpanzee is 237 days Rhesus Monkey is 164 days The Skunk has a gestation period of 62 days The dog has a gestation period of 62 days So the dog and skunk are closely related? And I suppose the giraffe is closely related to a human. Uncanny or just coincidence? .....popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Re: Our children\'s Classrooms LOL @popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLH Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Re: Our children\'s Classrooms As a biology major, I see teaching evolution is sound science. If you believe in sound science and want to know more, then you should want your children to learn evolution, even if you only use the knowledge to help your beliefs on creationalism. I personally believe in creationalism and evolution. Despite popular belief, the evolution taught in schools is not that "we came from monkies," it is simply teaching that each individual species evolves in various ways. Take for example humans. We evolve everyday. We didn't know what an automobile was 200 years ago, but have evolved technologically and intellectually and now have better and stronger capabilities, such as the automobile. This is all your kid is being taught. Species evolve, that is sound science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Re: Our children\'s Classrooms [ QUOTE ] We evolve everyday. We didn't know what an automobile was 200 years ago, but have evolved technologically and intellectually and now have better and stronger capabilities, such as the automobile. [/ QUOTE ] That is called advances in technology and is not to be confused with evolution. The ideas of evolution attempt to show how man has adapted from prehistoric man on back to and including some other theories. My personal thoughts are that if man has evolved as some scientists suggest than why is it that all other species have not also evolved in some similar fashion over the millions of years of there existence. I think all creatures have an ability to adapt to some degree. That does not however suggest that they have "evolved". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLH Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Re: Our children\'s Classrooms Advances in any aspect is a certain type of evolution. That is what evolution is, advancing as a species. If it is just technology, then why weren't automobiles present 200 years ago. Because we hadn't EVOLVED the advancement in technology. You said, "All creatures have the ability to adapt," and you are right. Those who creatures who can't adapt do not survive and thus do not reproduce, the creatures of the specific species that do adapt survive and do reproduce, sooner or later through this chain of events the entire species have EVOLVED to adapt. This is the basis of evolution according to your idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Re: Our children\'s Classrooms BLH, while you are majoring in Biology, try to take some courses in Sociological Statistics. There are no more geniuses born per capita today than there were 200 years ago. Do you really think that if a group of people who were not "Taught" technology, that they could actually build the combustion engine and all the components to build an automobile? Babies born right this minute are not technologically advanced over their ancestors of 200 years ago. They are simply taught the new technology that humans have learned through trial and error. The words evolved, learning, and developed, are not synonymous. .....popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Re: Our children\'s Classrooms Though we may disagree on creationalism/evolution....i agree with popgun on this one. I dont think that some person born in the woods of canada hits a certain age where they can build a car or engine without education. Our brains must be feed this info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Re: Our children\'s Classrooms BLH think you and I must have learned different definitions of adapting and evolving. To evolve is to gradually form. To adapt is the ability to readily conform or change. Similar but not exactly the same. A whitetail deer has adapted to living near humans. That is not evolving. Man has adapted to technology and has learned over time. Still not exacly evolving in my eyes. My opinion and interpretation is that evolving in relation to man would have to do with specific changes to man himself, not in the way of his behavior. Learning and behavioral changes have more to do with adaptation, while evolving has more to do with changes in physical attiibutes for the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Re: Our children\'s Classrooms If man evolved from some primordial swamp, we would have had 3 hands. I don't know how many times in one day, I wish I had 3 hands instead of two. Ya think we would have grown the third one by now out of shear neccessity...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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