LETMGROW Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 I have seen a lot of posts on here where people talk about wanting a bolt action something or other or a single shot rifle. I wonder why the tendancy to shy away from autoloaders or even slide action rifles. It seems as though the slide action [ pump ] is the preferred shotgun action. Actually, I am looking to buy a Remington 750 carbine in .308 as my next hunting rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry264 Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? That model has my interest too. Isn't it made in 35 whelen also? Either would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted March 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? I picked the .308 because of the lighter weight and the short action. I like my carbines. Where we hunt, an 18 1/2" barrel is not a big problem. I've killed a lot of deer with my 7600 .30-06 pump carbine and my 7400 .30-06 carbine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? Never been around many of them. I have always been told a bolt action gun is more accurate than others. (yes we all know the guns is only as accurate as the person using it) I guess I can't say as that is a 100% true just what I have been told. The other thing is most articles, tv shows, and what not all you seem to see is bolt actions or the tc encore. So I would guess that is what most people go to buy. Just my .02 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iron buck Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? LOVE my Remington 7600 pump 35 whelen. The HAMMER of Thor! Never got into the semi autos because we can not hunt with them here in PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? Dont know Lynn, I like a bolt gun, and have never had a need when rifle hunting really for a fast follow up. Have hunted with a remington 700 pretty well most of the time I have deer hunted, just really like the feel of that gun. There are some good autoloaders out there though. One of these days I will eventually get a browning BAR semi auto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEIOWAARCHER Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? I have my grandfathers 740 woodsmaster. I love it, although I hardly use it anymore. I don't hunt deer in rifle country much. Wish I could use it more. great gun though. I think that TODDY is right, most people buy whats put in there face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? Several reasons come to mind, none of which are really valid. A gas operated gun is plenty accurate enough for the average shooter. I doubt youre going to see a rem 742 in a 1000 yard comp but for hunting they are a great choice. Typically both the pump and auto can be found cheaper. Bolt guns have the reputation for being more accurate but unless youre shooting for cash or a trophy most people would never notice. I had a 742 Woodsmaster (.30-06) that was a tack driver. Honestly I was more accurate with my 700 (same chamber) but that doesnt mean I would have hesitated on a 200yd shot. Other than cleaning and possibly weight there isnt a thing in this world wrong with an auto...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? I have hunted with 742's and 7400 for at least 20 years. Alot had to do with me being a Lefty I just can't remember having any problems. It is rare that I shoot further than 100 yards, and accuracy has been fine. I haven't had that good of luck with semi shotguns though !! Guess I have to buy a Bennili or something in that bracket !! $$$ too_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? If you think about it, there is no real reason a pump gun would less accurate than a bolt gun. 1. The barrel comes free floated. 2. There is no bedding to give you fits as the stock moves, shrinks, or swells. 3. The action is more rigid than the bolt action, so it will flex less. The Rem pump gun only comes in one action length. yes, it can be chambered in short action cartridges, but the magazine has a blocker in it. The only drawback to a pump gun is headspacing is a pain for them. They are not as user friendly to make super accurate as a bolt gun. I owned a 760 Carbine in 30-06 and it would average MOA groups at 100 yards. I have shot deer at some very far distances with that gun. I now have my Dads old 760 from the 50's or 60's. It will shoot MOA groups also. I have not had had the same success with the autoloader. My 742 carbine will not shoot that great. [ QUOTE ] I doubt youre going to see a rem 742 in a 1000 yard comp [/ QUOTE ] You can also say the same for the Rem 700. You will not see a factory 700 in competition either. Modified, occasionally, but not stock. They do use AR15 and M16 semiautos at 1000 yards though and they win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I doubt youre going to see a rem 742 in a 1000 yard comp [/ QUOTE ] You can also say the same for the Rem 700. You will not see a factory 700 in competition either. Modified, occasionally, but not stock. They do use AR15 and M16 semiautos at 1000 yards though and they win. [/ QUOTE ] True enough! Youre still more likely to find a bolt gun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted March 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? Good answers. I guess no one really has any beef with the autoloader, just some other actions are preferred or required, like in PA. I don't feel like an outcast anymore! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? i feel that they are more apt to jam or fail (freeze, dirty, etc.) than a single shot or bolt. there is just more moving parts there fore more chance to fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowana Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? I have killed two Monster Mulies in Montana with my Browning short trac in 300 WSM. The rifle shoots like a dream. I have owned Rem 742, and 7400. They are not as accurate as a Browning semi. I can shoot 2.5" groups all day long at 200 yds with mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? [ QUOTE ] I have owned Rem 742, and 7400. They are not as accurate as a Browning semi. I can shoot 2.5" groups all day long at 200 yds with mine. [/ QUOTE ] Have to remember that just because your accuracy might of been poor with your Rems. does not mean that all of them are lacking, we all know that guns and accuracy can be very different from one to another, and then you throw in the different makes of ammo also. I can touch holes with a good rest at 100 yards with mine. I can't speak for further distances though ! I do agree that Brownings are fine rifles. I used to have a BAR in 7Mag that was much more accurate than me. too_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehunter Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? Just my thoughts, but I think with the shooting either a bolt or single shot you don't rush a shot as much. I have known people who rushed a shot just because they new they had a follow up round right behind it, and if they only waited a much better oportunity would have presented itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yooperkenny Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? I killed my first buck with a Woodsmaster 742 30.06 that a friend let me borrow when I was just getting into deer hunting. It had been his father's rifle. A few years later I killed my best buck so far with my own 742 - a 5 1/2 year old 12 point that field dressed 204 lbs. The next year that rifle froze up on me after a huge dump of wet snow and it cost me a decent buck. I decided that I simply didn't want to take any chances at the moment of truth, so I sold the rifle and bought a bolt action (Tikka T3). That said, it was my fault the 742 froze up because I didn't take the proper precautions to protect it from the elements. My understanding is these rifles need a lot more attention, cleaning, and maintenance than most and have more points of failure than other actions. If you're going to hunt with one, you need to take the time to make it right. I've also read that bolt actions are inherently more accurate than other actions, so that's something to consider too. Just my 2 cents - what's important is to be in the woods hunting with Something as often as you can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowana Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? I will have to agree with you on what "hunting" accuracy means. My 742 woodsmaster would shoot 2" groups at 100. It would consistantly place 4 rounds in an 8" vital target at 200. More than enough for whitetail hunting up north. But my Browning short trak has an adjustable stock (comes with shims) so that you can adjust it for your fit. It shoulders so quick and sweet. I just love it as a stalking rifle. Shoots 350 yards all day long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterDWL Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? i dont like autoloaders or pumps the reason i dont like pumps dont like the style or looks for starters and there noise or all the ones ive ever handled are and for. Auto loaders always more room for era in function if you ask me and weight im sure there are some light versions out there i had a browning bar 7mm a few years a go thought i would give it a try after carrying it around two days it never seen a hunting trip with me agin shot great but was way to heavy thats just my opion on them though if it works for you keep at it and good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodshed Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? huntrDWL,,,,,that is one long sentence!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M00N Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? State hunting laws aside, I don't care for autoloaders due to how mechanical they are and how many points they have in them that can break. It makes them have a higher chance of breaking or malfunctioning. I also don't like how they react in some weather conditions. They just are not an action I enjoy shooting. I much prefer a bolt action in rifles and pump action in shotguns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lilcrackshot Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? I like pumps. Reliable, accurate. What more can you ask for in a hunting rifle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted March 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? Actually my " go to gun " is a 7600 pump action carbine in 30-06. I just like it.... It fits well and feels good to me. The slim area between the action and forearm makes it a pleasure for me to carry. Darn thing shoots well and I only have to check the zero once a year. Haven't adjusted the scope in several years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? The only drawback to the 760, 6, 7600 and the 742, 4, and 7400, is the metal receiver at the balance point of the gun. I am not a fan of wearing gloves when I hunt and holding a cold metal receiver is not a lot of fun. This is where the bolt gun wins for me on a cold day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted March 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Re: Why not an autoloader?? Hadn't thought about that. By the time hunting season for rifle comes around up here you have been wearing gloves for a couple weeks or more. Maybe not heavy ones but at least something to keep the wind off your hands. What is cold for you might be a heat wave for me! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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