Bowtech_archer07 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 That is terrible, right now they are saying 33 dead, 15 wounded. Don't know who the gunmen is. God bless everyone at VT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun_300 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 Yeah I am watching CNN right now, how horrible! Prayers go out to the familes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvDog Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 This is very tradgic! We have been listening to the local police scanners to get more info since the press conference was very vague. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archerjg Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 Thoughts and prayers go out to the families of all involved. Sad thing to hear that a person can't even go to school and feel safe in there dorm rooms. Archerjg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 it's up to 32 dead and many injured..was listening to the Christian radio when it happened..the DJ stopped and prayed right on the spot on air!! NOW I know why thats all I listen to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tecumseh Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 I'd wonder how bad you're life would have to get to drive you to something that horrible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DU_man_84 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 very terrible and shocking news, it is very sad that this happened, my prayers go out to the victims family and friends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NS whitetail Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 a sad sad day for sure :( prayers go out to all involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 this story has changed the way we look at society, none of us are safe, 32 people lost their lives, they will not be here anymore with us and their families will suffer with this forever. Prayers going out and we all have to think to ourselves, is any place safe anymore? Hug your kids, tell them you love them. We live in a sad society where people will take out the innocent for no reason!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 this is a true american trajedy. prayers have been said for all these poor child victims. but, i have to wonder.... if professors, the willing and able, and trained, were allowed to carry concealed weapons. how many would now be dead ? we need to hit the anti gunners on self protection. but, that's another issue for another forum. may the lord have mercy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowana Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 It will be interesting to see how this individual could possibly termanate 32 individuals with two semi auto pistols. It had to be well planned. Even in the 12-20 seconds it would take to switch magazines.......seems strange. I wonder if there was more than one shooter? Regardless, its a terrible tragedy that will need plenty of prayers and healing. Yes, the anti-gun boys will be going at it, but lets all try to be bigger. Remember the families and victims first. Its what we are all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iron buck Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 They are saying now that it was a Chinese National who was on a student visa that did the shooting. They (CNN & FOX) also said that it is unclear at this time if he was actually a student or not. The fact that the doors were chained shut indicates that it was thought out in advance....he came prepared. It is also speculated that the bomb threats last week were done as probes to see what the security response would be. 32 Dead.....15+ wounded.....Horrifying to say the least. But does anyone besides myself find it odd to have that many killed? How many clips would he have to have carried? It is said that the shooter used a 9mm & 22 cal pistols. Was this really a crime of passion? Or was it a terrorist act? I would say that it would be hard for an emotionally distraut person to follow through with the resolve necessary to actually KILL that many people. I bet as time goes on we will find that there is much more to this story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 The thing that bugs me is on msnbc I saw a timeline of events. At something like 7:15 am the shooter shoots a person or two in the dorms. Then a 1/2 mile away at 9:15 the shooter enters the next building chains the doors and shoots more people. WHAT IN THE WORLD WAS THE CAMPUS PEOPLE DOING FOR 2 HOURS???? Didn't they know the shooter was still free and not in custodity?? That blows my mind. Prayers go out the all thats for sure!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Or was it a terrorist act? The fact that this monster chained the doors shut tells me it was premeditated. It was an act of terrorism by all means as it inflicted horror and fear for everyone across this country, even those of us who were not directly effected by knowing someone who was murdered or injured. Something like this will change how we all view society, even if it was not through an organized group like Al Qaeda, it is still terrorism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DU_man_84 Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 The thing that bugs me is on msnbc I saw a timeline of events. At something like 7:15 am the shooter shoots a person or two in the dorms. Then a 1/2 mile away at 9:15 the shooter enters the next building chains the doors and shoots more people. WHAT IN THE WORLD WAS THE CAMPUS PEOPLE DOING FOR 2 HOURS???? Didn't they know the shooter was still free and not in custodity?? That blows my mind. Prayers go out the all thats for sure!! this is the thing that is bothering me, i dont care what school in ****, if there is a shooting on campus and whole damn campus should be on lockdown no matter what, you dont have a school shooting 5 minutes away (thats walking distance) on campus and other buildings next to it continue classes throughout the day, even if the first shooting was a domestic dispute, that place should have been on lockdown, especially when they dont have a gunman, the second shooting could have been very well prevented Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry264 Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Just heard on Fox that the shooter at Va. Tech. had just purchased at least one of the guns, the Glock I think, last month, filed the serial #'s off one or both pistols that he used. He also had previous charges against him for something, don't know what yet, with a hearing/trial due next month. Sounds like possibly a legal system screw up of some kind. No, more gun control laws won't work in a case like this, in fact, since nobody around this mishap had a ccw permit to stop him there were too many firearm restrictions already in place. They just said the charge against him back in March was a "criminal" charge of some kind. Probably shouldn't have been out of jail to begin with IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 He also had previous charges against him for something, don't know what yet, with a hearing/trial due next month. Sounds like possibly a legal system screw up of some kind. No, more gun control laws won't work in a case like this, in fact, since nobody around this mishap had a ccw permit to stop him there were too many firearm restrictions already in place. They just said the charge against him back in March was a "criminal" charge of some kind. Probably shouldn't have been out of jail to begin with IMO. Hearing he had no criminal charges against him, but was due for traffic court on a speeding violation. Of course the media is grasping for something in efforts to be the first to report any breaking news. Might be best to wait for the press conferences before trying to assume any motives or attempting to figure out where the systems might have failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest realtrhunter Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 I agree in this case, and for the most part in any shooting, no gun law would have prevented it from happening. Someone that has no criminal pack ground and can buy a gun can decide that they want to shoot someone at anytime. I also would not blame the campus administration entirely for their lack of actions. They were dealing with the first shooting once the second shooting started. Since it seems this whole thing was premeditated it could have been the shooters plan to do this. It is an old warfare tactic that apperently works very well. My main concern for all of us law abiding citizens is that we are now going to have to fight even harder to keep our rights, even when no gun laws would have prevented this shooting. The only laws that could have kept the numbers down would have been a concealed carry law. Even with a conceal carry law I have heard that on some campuses you can not carry. Appreciate you all keeping things up to date on hear. I dant have tv right now and am away from the radio most of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Clay008 Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Even with a conceal carry law I have heard that on some campuses you can not carry. QUOTE] VT does not allow you to carry on campus. I believe last year someone was in trouble for carrying on campus. The second shooting was quite a distance away from the first shooting. I am not sure of the distance but it would take at least 10 - 15 mins to walk it. There is a giant drillfield in the middle of the two buildings. I spoke with my Fiance a few minutes ago and she said there is about a half mile line to enter the coliseum where the president will be speaking. Fortunatly she was not around yesterday when the shootings occured. She was on the other side of campus. This was a terrible event. Please pray for everyone involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvDog Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 this is the thing that is bothering me, i dont care what school in ****, if there is a shooting on campus and whole damn campus should be on lockdown no matter what, you dont have a school shooting 5 minutes away (thats walking distance) on campus and other buildings next to it continue classes throughout the day, even if the first shooting was a domestic dispute, that place should have been on lockdown, especially when they dont have a gunman, the second shooting could have been very well prevented The thing that bugs me is on msnbc I saw a timeline of events. At something like 7:15 am the shooter shoots a person or two in the dorms. Then a 1/2 mile away at 9:15 the shooter enters the next building chains the doors and shoots more people. WHAT IN THE WORLD WAS THE CAMPUS PEOPLE DOING FOR 2 HOURS???? Didn't they know the shooter was still free and not in custodity?? That blows my mind. Prayers go out the all thats for sure!! I think we need to be careful about jumping on the police and campus administration regarding how they handled the situation. It's relatively easy to look at this after-the-fact and determine how things "should" have been handled. However, things would have looked a lot different beforehand or even while it was underfolding. As I understand it from the press conference, the first incident was being addressed, appeared to be isolated, and they had no reason whatsoever to believe anything else would happen. In addition, some have commented about a lock-down or shutdown of the school/campus. Again, as explained in the press conference, given the timing of the incident relative to class schedules, this compounded the decision of whether or not to invoke a lock-down. Given the fact that there are over 26,000 students enrolled at VT with well over half of these students living off campus, it was estimated that nearly 11,000 of these students were actually in transit to campus and/or classrooms. The real question was, given the current situation (a shooting in one of the student dormitories), "Where would the student be the safest?". Again, given the information they had at the time, it was determined that they would be fine in their classrooms. Another challenging aspect to this was and continues to be the case for large college campuses and environments, is the logistics of notifying/alerting the entire student body especially during the hours immediately preceding classes. They do have email notifications, however, that would not be received by those students either on or off campus on their way to classes. The alarms (that were used after the second incident) would certainly alert those on campus but, again, not those who were on their way. I'm sure some improvements can be made here, but this is something we deal with as a company in the private industry with our employees, contractors, and clients. It is, quiet honestly, nearly impossible to touch everyone in a prompt and rapid fashion. My heart, prayers, and condolences do go out to the family, friends, faculty, staff, police, and everyone else involved and impacted by this horrific incident (from the victims to the shooter). In addition, I do hope that legislators and public officials do not misuse or manipulate this situation to boost gun control initiatives or other unrelated beliefs and ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricfirefighter Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 bad deal they just locked down the local high school here today teacher seen someone enter bldg with a gun sure glad my son wasn't there no shots fired and kids are being evacuated haven't heard anything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DU_man_84 Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 I think we need to be careful about jumping on the police and campus administration regarding how they handled the situation. It's relatively easy to look at this after-the-fact and determine how things "should" have been handled. However, things would have looked a lot different beforehand or even while it was underfolding. As I understand it from the press conference, the first incident was being addressed, appeared to be isolated, and they had no reason whatsoever to believe anything else would happen. In addition, some have commented about a lock-down or shutdown of the school/campus. Again, as explained in the press conference, given the timing of the incident relative to class schedules, this compounded the decision of whether or not to invoke a lock-down. Given the fact that there are over 26,000 students enrolled at VT with well over half of these students living off campus, it was estimated that nearly 11,000 of these students were actually in transit to campus and/or classrooms. The real question was, given the current situation (a shooting in one of the student dormitories), "Where would the student be the safest?". Again, given the information they had at the time, it was determined that they would be fine in their classrooms. Another challenging aspect to this was and continues to be the case for large college campuses and environments, is the logistics of notifying/alerting the entire student body especially during the hours immediately preceding classes. They do have email notifications, however, that would not be received by those students either on or off campus on their way to classes. The alarms (that were used after the second incident) would certainly alert those on campus but, again, not those who were on their way. I'm sure some improvements can be made here, but this is something we deal with as a company in the private industry with our employees, contractors, and clients. It is, quiet honestly, nearly impossible to touch everyone in a prompt and rapid fashion. My heart, prayers, and condolences do go out to the family, friends, faculty, staff, police, and everyone else involved and impacted by this horrific incident (from the victims to the shooter). In addition, I do hope that legislators and public officials do not misuse or manipulate this situation to boost gun control initiatives or other unrelated beliefs and ideas. harv you are exactly right, i am at fault here i didnt mean to really jump on the police for not taken action cause they did do the right thing, i asked this question in my criminal justice class at school this morning which is taught by our county sheriff and he made a valid point that i didnt even think of, he said that in our society today everyone finds someone to blame when things go wrong which in this case before the facts are all out there the police and college were the first ones to be blamed, which i did, but didnt mean too, he also explained that the man power in this case would have not been possible with 26,000 students, he compared it to pretty much shutting down the town, also he said for instance if you were to shut down the school that would be like a shooting at a house in neighborhood would mean you would have to shut down the whole neighborhood by going door to door which there isnt enough time, i am in the field of criminal justice but i am kinda glad i made this mistake cause i learned from it and it will help me in the future, i jumped the gun and didnt bring in all the other aspects of the scenario which in law enforcement you need to do, so i think i learned alot from this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMn106 Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 This is really sad news, prayers go out to everyone involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NS whitetail Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 I just saw on our news this evening that one of the dead is a school teacher from here in Nova Scotia that moved down there to teach a few years ago. Also there is 3 exchange students from here, but they were not harmed. Again -- prayers go out to all involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 According to the Centers for Disease Control and the National Crime Victimization Survey, while in 2005 the rate of violent crimes decreased nationally to its lowest level, homicides and suicides at schools actually increased between 2000 and 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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