woodshed Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 How can you make a fan with more than one row of secondary feathers? I'd like to have more of them on my fan, but there is so much meat to go through. I don't know how to get it all out if I leave them on. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest psefirestormlite Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 I don't know if this will help but, I use a sharp knife and try to fillet as much fat as I can. After that I tack it down to some card board and poor salt on the back. don't be skimpy on the salt, the more the better. After that let it sit for a week or two in a dry area away from anything that can get into it. Good Luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodshed Posted April 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 If I have more of the small feathers in front there are more layers of quills. Is it possible to get the tissure out from between the layers? Is this why most fans only have the one row of secondary feathers? Can I pluck them all out and then glue/bondo them back in later? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest okla_bowhunter Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Well, we take a soft wire brush wheel, or knife and try to get all of the meat and grease out from betweem the quills. Then, we put borax on it to cure it. Then, we spread them out exactly the way we want them, lay something light all the way around the fan, and then take 1 inch 3m masking tape and work your way around the fan. Then, put bondo around the front of the quills, and after that sets up, cut a piece of wire, and shape it into a "U" shape that will cover the quills on the back side, and let the wire hang down about 3 inches on each side.Then, put the wire over the quills on the backside, and put bondo over the wire. Put the extra wire in some foam and let it dry for about a week. THE TAPE WILL NOT DAMAGE THE FEATHERS. Hope this helps ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodshed Posted April 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 thanks, I might be miss wording my question. I've done what all of you are basically saying. It works great. It's just that I've never kept more than one row of the small feathers. How do I get the meat and fat out of the quills if I have 3,4, or 5 rows of quills? Is it possible to cut/clean out all of that meat from under the top rows of quills? It just seems like it would be impossible to get under the small feather quills to get back into the main feather quills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodshed Posted April 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 how hard is it to just pull all the feathers out completely, clean each one, and then reassemble in hot glue, epoxy, bondo? (with 3-5 rows of small feathers) If possible, that seems much easier, faster, and cleaner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest okla_bowhunter Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 I would think that it would be all but impossible to take the feathers out and try to put them back in exactl the way they were. But i am not sure, i have never heard of anybody trying to take the feathers out though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest psefirestormlite Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 I would not try that if I were... Sound like a huge mess to me. I would dry it out and then play with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberlandtaxi Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 What you will do is prepare your tail the same way you have been, with the 2 main rows of feathers. I use bondo so that they are set and ready for step 2. Then you can cut some of the back feathers from the next few rows, and hot glue them to the bondo where you want them. Your turkey tail panel covers the quill ends and your set. As for removing all feathers and re-assembling, I have to do that from time to time with certain poses when I mount one. It can be done and really not that hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcwa Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 I would think that it would be all but impossible to take the feathers out and try to put them back in exactl the way they were. But i am not sure, i have never heard of anybody trying to take the feathers out though. Thats the way I mount mine. I pluck all the feathers from the tail and clean all the fat off. I use alcohol to remove the oily residue from the quills and hot glue the main tail feathers to a half moon shaped piece of felt. Then I place another piece of half moon shaped felt over the tail feathers and add the smaller feathers in the order I plucked them out. Once I'm happy with the way it looks I hot glue them to the felt backer. Then place one more piece of felt to cover the quills. Then all you have to do is mount it to the plaque. It works great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyohunter Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 i just removed the flesh from the ( tushy ) and rubbed with alum mounted to the board and pinned in place to allow for drying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTF Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 I take all of my tails apart, feather by feather and hot glue them back together. The only feather group I leave intact is the back feathers. Use a steak knife to remove the meat and fat off of the feather quills and then dip each quil into a cup of rubbing alcohol to degrease. Lay the primary feathers out to your like-ing and hot glue. Allow to cool and then lay your secondary feather group on top and position then hot glue them down. Flesh the back feathers and degrease . Allow to dry and then super glue skin to hot melt glue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodshed Posted April 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Ok,, I'm really liking the disassembly idea then back together with hot glue. It sounds much easier than picking and scraping. RTF: with the back feathers,,, please confirm something. when you say "flesh", do you mean that these feathers aren't plucked? then are still in the skin and then you glue the skin onto the the top? wouldn't the skin attract bugs and smell like any other flesh? thanks. one other thing. I have the tail in the freezer for now. All flesh still on it. that's ok right? I couldn't get to it due to traveling alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTF Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 In the freezer is fine. It will last in the freezer for a while so don't worry. Yes, I said do not pluck the back feathers. If it is fleahed (scraped) of all fat, it will be fine. I like to apply some mineral spirits to that small piece of skin and let it soak for about an hour. just dab some on with a wet paper towel. When putting a turkey tail back together, pay attention to the way the feathers are shingled. The secondary feathers will be shingled in a reverse pattern then the primary feather group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTF Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 A little trick I do, is to press down a small one inch x one inch piece of cardboard into the hot glue AFTER I glue down the secondary feather group. Be sure your piece of cardboard is dead center at bottom of tail. This is where you are going to super glue your back feathers. Just apply super glue to the skin section of the back feathers and press down onto the cradboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodshed Posted April 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 RTF,,, thanks, I'll try this and see how it goes. I appreciate your advice everybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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