unioncountyslayer Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 I was wondering about this over the last few days since the shootings at VT. Do you think that persons with a conceal carry permit should be able to carry a concealed weapon on college campuses in order to protect themselves. I say absolutely 100% YES. I got an email from a friend today with a poll question asking the same thing. Go and check it out and vote. Just scroll down a little bit and look on the left side of the page for an icon that says "Your Vote Counts" and you can click yes, no or undecided in the box. http://www.keepandbeararms.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 i say yes. the POLICE on campus were not allowed to carry a weapon. what would happen if any professor, fully trained and with a permit, was able to have a gun? how about the officers in the rotc? or the police? or ay student with a permit and an approval? would this jerk have continued? i doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Colorado Bob Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Nope. What's next check your guns at the City Limits? Give it a rest----most Americans are still in shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007hunter Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 I voted undecided because of how the question was asked and what my opinion is. I think that Police and faculty/prodessors should be allowed. I do NOT think that students should be because I do not think that for the most part students are mature enough. Say a student is carrying, goes to a party/bar, and drinks. Now you have a drunk with a gun. Disaster waiting to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted April 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 The poll is talking about carrying on campus, not to a bar to get drunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DU_man_84 Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 i agree 100% also that it should be allowed but one thought i have is, just colleges, i mean federal law is you must be 21 to own a gun. or to be even in possession of one unless your are younger than 21 then if your parent or guardian is there you may possess one but not own, the question is so people on these campuses that are only 21 and over can carry, what about freshman and sophmores who might be under 21, they are defenseless, and must rely on hoping someone in there class is over 21 who has a gun, what about high school students where many shootings having been, they are still helpless, hoping the teacher might be carrying, do we lower the federal law to 18 to be able to own and possess a firearm so high school students are not left out, where do we draw the line to try and protect others, but i agree 100% students should be able to carry conceal on college campuses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted April 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 i agree 100% also that it should be allowed but one thought i have is, just colleges, i mean federal law is you must be 21 to own a gun. or to be even in possession of one unless your are younger than 21 then if your parent or guardian is there you may possess one but not own, the question is so people on these campuses that are only 21 and over can carry, what about freshman and sophmores who might be under 21, they are defenseless, and must rely on hoping someone in there class is over 21 who has a gun, what about high school students where many shootings having been, they are still helpless, hoping the teacher might be carrying, do we lower the federal law to 18 to be able to own and possess a firearm so high school students are not left out, where do we draw the line to try and protect others, but i agree 100% students should be able to carry conceal on college campuses Only problem with this is that 18 year olds could get handguns much easier than 21 year olds because of the criminal record filing. I'm pretty sure that juvie records don't show up on a background check. This would be more dangerous than not allowing under 21 year olds to purchase handguns. Most kids that are going to do something evil like the VT murders will end up in prison/jail for something between 18 and 21. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NS whitetail Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 do we lower the federal law to 18 to be able to own and possess a firearm so high school students are not left out, If that where to happen, I say -- it would definately do more harm than good. A bunch of 18 year olds running around with guns is a scary thought IMO anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 I believe in the right to carry and bear arms,, but I have one question tho... Aren't these collages private property, and NOT state property....??? ... If this is private property,, the collage itself would have final say on this issue.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DU_man_84 Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 If that where to happen, I say -- it would definately do more harm than good. A bunch of 18 year olds running around with guns is a scary thought IMO anyway. i definately agree here, i just stated would they think of dropping it to 18, i definately do not want to see that cause i agree that it would cause more harm, cause the immaturity rate at 18 is still pretty bad, especially these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Clay008 Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 I believe in the right to carry and bear arms,, but I have one question tho... Aren't these collages private property, and NOT state property....??? ... If this is private property,, the collage itself would have final say on this issue.... Virginia Tech is a public university that is funded by public dollars so, the state probably could tell them that they have to allow people to carry on campus if the state wanted too. I would say that it is considered state property but, I don't know for sure. Some colleges are totally private such as Harvard. Those colleges are not funded by the state but by billions of dollars of endowments. So they could probably tell the govt to bite me and do what they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest realtrhunter Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 I think that a citizen that has the propper training and license should be able to carry a concealed weapon where the choose it is necessary, including campuses. I am in college now, after serving in the military, and have had a few times were I thought I would have been alot more comfortable if I knew I had something other than a knife to defend myself with if needed. I don't think the age should be dropped to 18. There are alot of students these days on campuses and in almost every class that are 21. Even then there are still some 21 yr olds that can legally purchase a hand gun, but don't need to be having one due to their lack of maturity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Clay008 Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 I voted undecided because of how the question was asked and what my opinion is. I think that Police and faculty/prodessors should be allowed. I do NOT think that students should be because I do not think that for the most part students are mature enough. Say a student is carrying, goes to a party/bar, and drinks. Now you have a drunk with a gun. Disaster waiting to happen. Why does everyone assume that all college students are immature and drunks? The military is filled with college age individuals and people don't stereotype them as immature drunks. We call them soldiers and look up to them Concealed carry holders are required to open carry in a place that serves alcohol and, I would believe that people smart enough to obtain a carry permit would be smart enough not to carry when they are going to consume some alcoholic beverages with their friends at a bar. Colleges are filled with some of the smartest and most mature individuals in the country. They are there to learn. They are there busting there butt to become engineers and doctors and social workers and policemen. People should not stereotype all college students as drunks and immature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007hunter Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 The poll is talking about carrying on campus, not to a bar to get drunk. I was simply stating that the majority of students are going to drink, now give those kids a gun and you have a bad situation. Kids are going to drink on campus and off it. And I don't care if its a "dry" campus, they will drink regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted April 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 I was simply stating that the majority of students are going to drink, now give those kids a gun and you have a bad situation. Kids are going to drink on campus and off it. And I don't care if its a "dry" campus, they will drink regardless. You're still missing the point of my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007hunter Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 You're still missing the point of my post. No, I got it. Your missing mine. Do you think that persons with a conceal carry permit should be able to carry a concealed weapon on college campuses in order to protect themselves. I said, only Police and faculty/professors because students are not mature enough, even those who are 21.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andymansavage Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 27 year old student here with 2 kids and a mortgage. Would I qualify as "mature enough"? I carry. I can carry at the state funded Universities here as well. More guns=Less crime. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 If a person qualifies for a concealed permit, they should be able to carry them anywhere! The only place that should be barred would be a jail or prison! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlriggins Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 I believe that if I am shot at or have the ability to save someones life that I should be able to shoot back I personally believe that is why we have the 2nd ammendment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetailkiller Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 No, I got it. Your missing mine. Do you think that persons with a conceal carry permit should be able to carry a concealed weapon on college campuses in order to protect themselves. I said, only Police and faculty/professors because students are not mature enough, even those who are 21.... i agree .... i think though that if they pass necessary process for conceal carry permit, let em cary....but i think they should include juvinile record to the process!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 i say yes. the POLICE on campus were not allowed to carry a weapon. what would happen if any professor, fully trained and with a permit, was able to have a gun? how about the officers in the rotc? or the police? or ay student with a permit and an approval? would this jerk have continued? i doubt it. Have to agree here. Think teachers or professors should have a right to carry on campus. Students, not so sure, but dont think so though. Anyways, likely his spree would not have lasted as long had anyone been able to take him out IF there was one of those who was carrying in close proximity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Clay008 Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Why does everyone think it is a bad idea to allow students to carry on campus? If they are of age to obtain a CCW and a handgun why should they not be allowed to carry? I don't know if I ever answered the first question: Yes everyone with a CCW should be allowed to carry everywhere they please. They have passed the courses and obtained the permit therefore they are legal to carry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Why does everyone think it is a bad idea to allow students to carry on campus? If they are of age to obtain a CCW and a handgun why should they not be allowed to carry? Dont know that I would say it is a bad idea, just not so sure it would really be a good idea. You have to look at the potential for the unknown. When you have students packing, who is going to ask them if they have a permit? Who will enforce that, what if students come on campus without a permit with bad intentions and are overlooked as a result of that freedom and go on and do this type of thing unsuspecting. Too many potential problems come quickly to mind with students carrying. Far as professors and campus police, think they should have the right, at least with the threats in todays society, there should be someone designated in schools and colleges that should be carrying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad dryden Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 This is a tuff topic....I dont think they should becouse you know 21 parties geting drunk or getting mad becouse someone was messing with their girl or guy and they may be drunk enough and or mad and start shooting. But I am not say that all college kids are like this but you do have a select number of people who do have "BRAIN FARTS" but how ever I do think the campus police should be able to carry one becouse its THEIR job to protect and serve and not really the students if someone started shooting they dont have to take down the gunman their just trying to get out of their. Their might be a few who would attempt though and I am not saying any thing is wrong with that all. But yes it could be a good thing at times if they carried one but I think it would CAUSE alot more problomes for everyone. That kid at the campus would have done it despite if their were people carring guns who knows if that was a factor maybe he would have had automatic weapons or even home made bombs. Heck he was going to kill himself either way so it wouldent have made much diffrence to him just as long as he took out a selected amount of people. But I belive even though a student has the training I think the Campus police should only carry them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvDog Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 I voted undecided because of how the question was asked and what my opinion is. I think that Police and faculty/prodessors should be allowed. I do NOT think that students should be because I do not think that for the most part students are mature enough. Say a student is carrying, goes to a party/bar, and drinks. Now you have a drunk with a gun. Disaster waiting to happen. Why does everyone assume that all college students are immature and drunks? The military is filled with college age individuals and people don't stereotype them as immature drunks. We call them soldiers and look up to them Concealed carry holders are required to open carry in a place that serves alcohol and, I would believe that people smart enough to obtain a carry permit would be smart enough not to carry when they are going to consume some alcoholic beverages with their friends at a bar. Colleges are filled with some of the smartest and most mature individuals in the country. They are there to learn. They are there busting there butt to become engineers and doctors and social workers and policemen. People should not stereotype all college students as drunks and immature. We certainly need to be careful about stereotyping here. It is unfortunate that college students have this kind of an image but I honestly believe that there are a great deal of smart, mature, responsible young men and women on the campuses of our colleges and universities. Don’t misunderstand…I am not naive enough to believe that drinking and many immature behaviors don’t occur. Unfortunately, this is everywhere from colleges to businesses and even to the military as Clay mentioned. Specifically regarding alcohol, I strongly believe that we need to have much stronger enforcement and punishment for those breaking drinking laws (e.g. underage, DUI, etc.). Anyway, in regards to concealed carry, I feel that it should be permitted on campuses for those with a valid concealed carry license. As a matter of fact, I don’t believe that should be as many restrictions as there currently are. In Virginia, concealed carry is prohibited: • onto the premises of any restaurant or club with a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages. • on private property when prohibited by the owner of the property, or where posted as prohibited. • a place of worship while a meeting for religious purposes is being held at such place, without good and sufficient reason. • in a Courthouse. • on school property. Exemptions to this statute include a person who has a valid concealed handgun permit and possesses a concealed handgun while in a motor vehicle in a parking lot, traffic circle, or other means of vehicular ingress or egress to the school. • in an airport terminal. I can certainly understand courthouses and airports to some extent but, in my opinion, many of these simply do not make sense. For example, in the case of a restaurant or club that serves alcohol, you are permitted to open carry instead. Shouldn’t we be more concerned about someone who has been drinking being able to see a handgun on someone’s hip? I think it makes more sense to allow ONLY concealed carry in places like this. Law-abiding citizens who have obtained a concealed carry license have done so in order to protect themselves in all types of situations and locations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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