Newarcher Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 John McCain has shown once again--as he travels the talk show circuits with Ted Kennedy advocating this bill--why he cannot be trusted with the helm of this country. The senate came to an agreement to provide amnesty to the lawbreakers who invade our country and give them a path to citizenship. The White House is in favor of it. Unbelievable..... New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Have not seen any news today, but that about McCain really does not surprise me. Really dont think if he was to get the nod that I could vote for him, like you say, just dont trust him. He has proven to be flakey in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 What did they say the time limit for being in the country was, before being eligible for amnesty ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted May 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 What did they say the time limit for being in the country was, before being eligible for amnesty ?? What the heck does it matter? We have laws currently on tbe books now that make it illegal to invade this country. They aren't being enforced as they stand. What makes anyone think that the $5,000 penalty or the waiting period or the maximum time in this country is going to be enforced either? The answer is that they aren't. This is a way to give amnesty with the prospects of enforcement of those laws but when the laws aren't enforced, I am sure that there will be another American Idol show on so no one will be paying attention. I suppose it will take an all hispanic American Idol before anyone sits up and takes notice. The answer is that we have given the lawbreakers a path to citizenship and our elected officials care more about the future, potenital vote of the illegals than they do the citizens that live her and vote now. Both of my Senators are supporting this crap and they have lost my vote. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Hey buckee got room up north for us? We maybe ran out of our own country one of these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldawg Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 One piece of good news here...I had to take my daughter in to the DMV to try to get her drivers license. The last time I took her, she failed. This time, fortunately she passed it. But, the last time...mid summer last year, we had to wait in line for almost 2 hours just to get up to confirm that she was in the building. And the people behind the desk were ticked because of all of the noise. It was just packed with spanish speaking illegals, and basically they just handed them licenses just to get the lines moving. Just to make an appointment was backed up for several months. When I took her this time, the building had about 15 people in it. A sign on the wall stated that as of April 30, any aliens had to have proof of legal status, or no license. And, any misconceptions would be treated harshly. This is the first thing that Doyle has done for Wisconsin that is worth a pinch. I was pleasantly surprised. Dawg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 you mean someone actually trusted mckain??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobw Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 . yeah i did but live and learn.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 From an email: What a great idea!! The Honorable Tom Harkin 731 Hart Senate Office Building Phone (202) 224 3254 Washington DC , 20510 Dear Senator Harkin, As a native Iowan and excellent customer of the Internal Revenue Service, I am writing to ask for your assistance. I have contacted the Department of Homeland Security in an effort to determine the process for becoming an illegal alien and they referred me to you. My primary reason for wishing to change my status from U.S. Citizen to illegal alien stems from the bill which was recently passed by the Senate and for which you voted. If my understanding of this bill's provisions is accurate, as an illegal alien who has been in the United States for five years, all I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a $2,000 fine and income taxes for three of the last five years. I know a good deal when I see one and I am anxious to get the process started before everyone figures it out. Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay taxes every year so I'm excited about the prospect of avoiding two years of taxes in return for paying a $2,000 fine. Is there any way that I can apply to be illegal retroactively? This would yield an excellent result for me and my family because we paid heavy taxes in 2004 and 2005. Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local emergency room as my primary health care provider. Once I have stopped paying premiums for medical insurance, my accountant figures I could save almost $10,000 a year. Another benefit in gaining illegal status would be that my daughter would receive preferential treatment relative to her law school applications, as well as "in-state" tuition rates for many colleges throughout the United States for my son. Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the burden of renewing my driver's license and making those burdensome car insurance premiums. This is very important to me given that I still have college age children driving my car. If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become illegal (retroactively if possible) and copies of the necessary forms, I would be most appreciative. Thank you for your assistance. Your Loyal Constituent, Donald Ruppert Burlington, IA Get your Forms (NOW)!! Call your Internal Revenue Service 1-800-289-1040. Please pass this onto your friends so they can save on this great offer!!!! This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSU_Seminole Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 This entire issue is laughable & why some of you guys think the republican party is serious about keeping illegals out is also laughable. Democrats need hispanics here for the hispanic vote because minorities tend to vote democratic. Republicans want them here for 2 reasons. They can get a slice of the conservative hispanic vote & the second reason is cheap labor. Small business owners who tend to vote republican want these people here. Nobody is forcing them to come here, if businesses didn't offer them jobs they'd stay home. I've seen countless times where these people are working in fields & working in construction getting paid under the table & they work without any benefits like medical or life insurance. I believe people should be able to come to this country LEGALLY & if it were up to me I'd build a fence from Texas to California, round these people up & send them back, but its not going to happen. This country is so polarized politically every vote really does count & neither party wants to upset the growing hispanic population in this country who are legal & elligble to vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 This entire issue is laughable & why some of you guys think the republican party is serious about keeping illegals out is also laughable. Democrats need hispanics here for the hispanic vote because minorities tend to vote democratic. Republicans want them here for 2 reasons. They can get a slice of the conservative hispanic vote & the second reason is cheap labor. Seems kind of contradicting? Dont really know generally speaking that parties have anything to do with wanting or not wanting illegals here. Sure the dems in general as elected officials would like to see more illegals become legal as it would seem to benefit them in the way of more voters, dont think that means that all who are members of the dem party or are registered democrats as voters wants illegals invading our country and staying here though, while at the same time obviously some republicans too are more concerned with getting votes than they are with doing what is right for this country. This country is so polarized politically every vote really does count & neither party wants to upset the growing hispanic population in this country who are legal & elligble to vote. As illegals they have no right to vote, and that should not be changed to accommodate those who come here illegally. That right should not ever be afforded to illegals no matter what. Unfortunately some lawmakers republican and democrat both want to give away rights to those who have no problem breaking the law. That is a bad move in the eyes of this conservative minded independent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted June 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Seems kind of contradicting? Dont really know generally speaking that parties have anything to do with wanting or not wanting illegals here. Sure the dems in general as elected officials would like to see more illegals become legal as it would seem to benefit them in the way of more voters, dont think that means that all who are members of the dem party or are registered democrats as voters wants illegals invading our country and staying here though, while at the same time obviously some republicans too are more concerned with getting votes than they are with doing what is right for this country. As illegals they have no right to vote, and that should not be changed to accommodate those who come here illegally. That right should not ever be afforded to illegals no matter what. Unfortunately some lawmakers republican and democrat both want to give away rights to those who have no problem breaking the law. That is a bad move in the eyes of this conservative minded independent. Well WTN on the last point, that ship has already sailed. Illegals have been voting using fake ID's for some time now and prominent Democrats have already proposed to let illegals vote in local election. Once that is achieved, it will be State, and then Federal. We lost to the invaders whose purpose isn't to become Americans but to take over the control of the Southwest and make it Mexican. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Illegals have been voting using fake ID's for some time now and prominent Democrats have already proposed to let illegals vote in local election. Once that is achieved, it will be State, and then Federal. You are right New, and that is unfortunate. ID theft is a whole issue in itself that illegals no doubt are very much involved in. Far as proposals, they are just that, guess we can only hope that enough people let their local lawmakers know that they do not support this type of recklessness and they come to their senses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted June 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 You are right New, and that is unfortunate. ID theft is a whole issue in itself that illegals no doubt are very much involved in. Far as proposals, they are just that, guess we can only hope that enough people let their local lawmakers know that they do not support this type of recklessness and they come to their senses. Both Chambliss and Isakson, who both penned part of this bill.....BACKED AWAY FROM IT AND VOTED NO thanks to the political pressure. The funny thing was Chambliss was quoted as saying that the response to the bill has been overwhelmingly positive with just a few negative responses....then he votes against it. Chambliss is a Republican and I agree with much he stands for. However, I won't vote for him....he represents what I have come to hate about politics. He has his own agenda and when it doesn't mesh with his constituents, he tells them to go take a hike. I can't stand the guy. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malikai Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Alright guys, lets get this straight, neither party is doing anything about the illegals, George Bush said that he would protect the nation and he hasnt, he is basically succumbing to the liberals. Republicans are not doing anything either, the two parties are very alike nowadays. Its disgusting. There are 13 million illegals here, mooching off of our taxpayer dollars, land and simple pleasures of life which we hold dear. If we grant amnesty to these people then we become an easier place to export drugs, etc.. Did any of you know, that 23% of our jails are filled with illegals? Also, there are hospitals in california that have gone bankrupt because of the amount of illegals they have to treat for medical injurys. These illegals cant pay for the treatment however the ACLU makes these hospitals treat these scoundrals for free. Illegals go to our schools and get free lunches, supplies, and programs, off of our tax dollars, while bringing in more drugs and poverty. We need a wall across the border or we will lose the soverignty of our nation, and the U.S. will just become a watered down mexico. Cheers, Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 If we grant amnesty to these people then we become an easier place to export drugs, etc.. The amnesty plan failed, however we still have the problem of all these illegals in the country. I agree with most of what you say, and it is absolutely sickening in my opinion that the legal resident low middle class and up tax payers who do not qualify for any freebies are picking up the tab for these illegals deadbeats and are either barely scraping by or are going deeper into debt just to live with the increases in health care and other living expenses that may in part be reflective on the expenses to the health care facilities by the illegals not paying. We need a wall across the border or we will lose the soverignty of our nation, and the U.S. will just become a watered down mexico. Yep, need a border boundary, wall, impassable fence or something. Then we need to enforce the laws as they are written, get the illegals out as they are caught. Unfortunately too many politicians are not seriously interested in securing the nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malikai Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Yes I totally agree with you as well. Basically, the republicans are loving the illegals for their; Votes, and cheap labor. Democrats are just whimps and think that these people are in need of a jobbbbb and healthcaaaare, and we need to worry about the illegals feeeeeelingssss. No party will do anything. The savage solution: If i were a good liberal, i might eliminate the problem by annexing mexico. Lets become one happy mexi american family. Who needs borders anyway? Borders divide, love unites. Then we'd dismantle the patrols and retrain former agents to serve as the Welcoming Committee. Theyd hand out maps ACLU membership cards, and visitor passes to disney land. During our grand opening how about offering the kiddies free tattoos... But Im not a good liberal. Heck, Im not even a bad one. What is it going to take for the people to picket the halls of congress and demand they stop this invasion? A killing by illegals at a local farm? A destruction of wildlife at a southern hunting lodge? A Racecar filled with C4 to blow up a crowded football field? A biohazard in our drinking water? Al Qaida is willing to help out there. Isnt the bankruptcy of several states enough to demand action? Here is where we begin, First, we make our border security stronger. By executive order the president must immediately dispatch our military to stop the swarm. We must take our troops out of europe, korea and other nations where they are doing little more than policing the locals. We bring the troops here to defend our border. Second, We stop giving things to the illegals, We have to show them loud and clear that the santa giving america, is dead. That means if your not an american citizen or a valid student on a work visa, you cant use our hospitals, you cant attend our schools, you cant recieve benefits, you cant use mexican ids, and you CANNOT vote in our elections. In that way we remove their incentive for staying in our country. Dont believe the liberal prophaganda that nobody will pick our crops or work in the slaughterhouses. How were vegitables picked and cattle killed before all of the mexicans got here? How were grapes picked? Read Grapes of wrath, Grapes were picked by farmers from oklahoma whos famrs got whiped out in the wind storms. They came out in their run down trucks and harvested the fields. True americans. The poor blacks cut the fields, the poor whites cut the fields. Why are there no whites or blacks picking Veggies? Because the government hands out welfare and foodstamps, and if you take away the welfare of getting somthing for just sitting on your butt, they would HAVE to pick grapes, clean toilets and kill cattle. Third, Just enforce the laws. Congress passed the Immagration Reform adn Control Act, which provides fins of ten thousand per buisness' who hired illegals. Fourth Kick the illegals out of our prisions, why in the heck are we feeding, Clothing, Housing and providing Cable TV for illegals in overcrowded jails!? There are 2,166,260 Prisioners in the US, roughly. 29 percent of which are illegals. What does this cost the taxpayers? 2 Billion per year is spent to incarcerate illegals at the state county and city level. This has to stop. Fifth launch an airline company soley to deport ilegals, Round up all illegals and take them and fly them home. THe cost per ticket is 250$, that comes to 3 billion for all illegals. Just a bit more than what it costs to feed these people for a year. Im sure United air, and USAIR wouldnt mind having extra buisness. Lastly Defending our borders is the only way to defend the sovereignty of America. This is a huge issue. If we dont control our border, we will become just another mexico. - - Parts taken from Liberalism is a mental disorder, by michael savage. Thats all I have to say, sorry for the length, Cheers, Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Yep, need a border boundary, wall, impassable fence or something. Remedy ,,, 50 cal. Towers every 500 yrds. ,,, if it moves it dies.... After the first week, traffic will become NONE existant...;) For all you illegal aliens, that want to be here,and be a U.S. citizen ,,, join the US Military (Branch of your choice) for no less than 4 yrs. and earn it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malikai Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 I agree, Id like to be the one doing the shooting! As for army, i believe that if the illegals fight in our millitary for 4 years then they can become citizens. they have to give us somthing back in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted July 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 The problem with any immigration bill that doesn't begin with "Beginning immediately, work will be done to permanently and completely seal the Southern border of the US and Mexico and deport all people living in the US illegally" is AMNESTY. Let me put it to you this way so that everyone can understand it clearer. Anyone who has ever been a kid or has kids will clearly identify: Let's say your kid junior is acting up. You want junior to stop. You decide that junior is going to begin doing chores and abiding by other rules of the house. You start the conversation with "You know and I know that there is realistically nothing I can do to make you do these things, but here are the new rules". This bill created new rights for the immigrants and changed their labels so that the politicians could say the illegal problem has been solved. The illegals don't care about citizenship, they only care about our money. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 This bill created new rights for the immigrants and changed their labels so that the politicians could say the illegal problem has been solved. The illegals don't care about citizenship, they only care about our money. This bill did not pass, if I am not mistaken. In the future when the lawmakers go back to work on attempting to get something together that might pass, I hope they forget about any efforts to make illegals legal, but look more closely at putting something together to help enforce tighter control of the borders, holding authorities who handle them accountable, and getting the illegals out of the country. There is no excuse for them not being deported when they are caught, sadly a member right here in these forums was involed in a collision not to long back if I remember right with an illegal who had no license or insurance, and the cop let the illegal go! No excuse for that type of thing happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted July 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 This bill did not pass, if I am not mistaken. In the future when the lawmakers go back to work on attempting to get something together that might pass, I hope they forget about any efforts to make illegals legal, but look more closely at putting something together to help enforce tighter control of the borders, holding authorities who handle them accountable, and getting the illegals out of the country. There is no excuse for them not being deported when they are caught, sadly a member right here in these forums was involed in a collision not to long back if I remember right with an illegal who had no license or insurance, and the cop let the illegal go! No excuse for that type of thing happening. Right, it didn't pass. But only after the legislators ignored our will once and expected us to just back off after they revived the dead bill. I hope that each and every one that sponsored that piece of junk legislation are defeated come election time. Exactly, that stuff is happening all over the place. My old town is a war zone whereas it was a beautiful place to live two years ago. Latino gangs, rapes, drugs, murders, and home invasions. That's the stuff that the lawmakers want to avoid talking about when they tout the people who come here to do jobs Americans will not....which is a load of crap. There was a town that booted its illegals and they had Americans at the job sites the very next day looking for the jobs. We need to do just one thing to get rid of the illegals. Impose a $100,000 per illegal fine for businesses hiring illegals. If the owner can't afford the fine, then they serve 5 years per offense. That would target the people who are really hiring the illegals....small businesses. It is one thing to bust Tyson Chicken to make a show of it in the news and round up 100 illegals. You put the small businessmen out of business and the illegals will leave. My County...Gwinnett County GA...that just put in place a ruling that anyone doing business with the County under Gov't contracts must verify and proove their worker's status. A direct quote from the illegals was that they were going to lose their jobs and have to go find work with some other business because of this....boo freaking hoo. That's proof it works. If there were no 'some other businesses' because those business owners wouldn't hire them for fear of a huge fine, the illegals would go home. They don't want to live here anyway. Another good change would be to make it illegal to sell a used car to an illegal. That would hit them where it hurts too. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nutz4bucks Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Who cares anyways Thier going to get in no matter what??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Thier going to get in no matter what??????? That's the entire point of New's suggestions on how to reduce the flood of illegals. Yes, it is incredibly difficult to seal the borders completely, but if we remove the incentive (all of those jobs) for the illegals to come into the country, most will stay away of their own accord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted July 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Exactly Texan! The only illegals that would want to be here are the people seeking politica asylum or a better life as a Citizen here. Stop the financial incentive and they will leave. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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