bucknut Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Hey everyone.. Im currently looking at the Omega muzzeloader along with that new nikon scope that is recommended for it.. I was wondering a few things? Shooting 150 grains of powder.. what does the recoil compare to? How does it compare to the encore or the Pro hunter? If anyone has any experience with anything i just mention could you give me some feedback.. im a student right now and i dont want to spend money on something that isnt worth it.. Thanks!..Bucknut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 I have a Black Diamond and an Encore. I have not shot my Encore yet, but I shot Ohiobucks' Encore last season. If the Omega is anything like the Black Diamond and Encore, you won't be disappointed. As far as recoil. AJ can give you all the physics involved but it essentially deals with powder charge, weight of the gun, weight of the bullet, etc. IMHO, the recoil is no worse than say a 12 ga. shooting high brass. Certainly less than shooting magnum slugs or magnum turkey loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyt03 Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 I have the Omega in RT camo and SS barrel. It's an awesome gun you will not be disappointed. Tons of guys on here shoot them and i'm sure you will get their replies as well. I shoot only 100 gr and 250 gr shockwave bullets. Extremely accurate at 100 yards, have not tried any further yet. As far as the scopes, I would recommend just getting a regular nikon prostaff 3x9 and not get the Omega scope that is made for these guns. Almost everyone I have talked to says the yardages do not always work the way they are marked and they are not adjustable on the BDC. If your only ml hunting then the Omega would be the gun. The Encores are a good choice if you want to buy extra barrels and have one gun that you can use for everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 I love mine..I only shoot 100gr. and it kicks about like a 12 ga. mag load You will not be dissapointed at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehunter Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 I have both an Omega and an Encore, and they are both great shooters. I also only shoot a 100grains of 777. The Omega has a Simmons scope on it, but I have a straight 4 power Nikon on the Encore. Recoil isn't to bad, as said above about what you would get from a 12 gauge magnum load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 The recoil is about the same ... the Omega has the exact same barrell as a Encore does .. there is absolutely no difference in the barrels ... you can take a barrell off an Encore and put it right on an Omega ... the thing I didnt like about the Omega is the grip I love my pistol grip on the Encore ... much more comfortable ... maybe you should look at the Triumph that is out if you are looking at a cutting edge ML and just want a ML'r ... that triumph is going to real nice for TC that is for sure Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntermq32 Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 The omega is very good gun but I will tell ya with a 150g charge and a 250g shock wave it packs a pretty good kick but you can handle it.The 150g and 250 bullet might not even be what you need to shoot you could use 100g with 200 or smaller bullet to get the acuracy or yardage your looking for. And as far as the kick you will only notice it at the range when harvesting a deer you wont even feel it. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elnor Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 BowtechTurkeyHunter, What's the difference between the Triumph and the Omega? I've just started seeing Triumph ads, but besides the action being break-open versus falling block, I'm not sure if there's anything significantly different about them(?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 Bought an Omega for my first Muzzleloader last summer. I shoot 100 grains and a 250 shockwave, with a Nikon Prostaff 2x7 scope. Love shooting it. To me, not much kick at all. Can't see a reason to pay the extra for a Nikon Omega scope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 Shoot a black diamond here, and with 240 grain xtp mags and a 120 grain loose pyrodex load, it kicks comparably to a .270 with 150 grain core lokts. Considerably less than a 12 gauge with 3 inch #5 shot turkey loads. Could not really see bumping the powder charge up to 150 making that much more difference in the felt recoil. Think the most I have charged up has been 140 grains, but normally shoot 120 as it seems I get my best performance there. My oldest daughter was shooting the black diamond with a downcharged load around 95 grains of pyro at age 7 or 8. Think she maybe weighed around 50-55 lbs at that time, and she preferred shooting the ml over the wifes .243. Far as scopes, nikon makes some good scopes, been pleased with their buckmaster line. Monarchs have been clearanced, a good 3-9X40 in either would work well and would be my first choice. Dont know that the omega with the bdc would be any better than or even as good as the monarch with the bdc. Have a burris fullfield with the ballistic plex reticles on my .270. and honestly for here where shooting under 200 yards is the norm, the bplex is really not at all useful for the rifle. With newer muzzleloaders shooting magnum loads and higher velocity lighter projectiles, you will not really have too much drop. Out to 150 with the black diamond, in my opinion there is not enough drop to justify using any type of compensating reticles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 I shoot an Encore, and like bowtechturkeyhunter said, it is the same barrell as the omega...i shoot 250 gr. 777 pellets and 250 hornady SST's (same as shockwaves) and i feel no recoil at all with it. they are both nice guns, i went with the encroe for 2 reasons: 1) the ability to change barrells and 2) it felt better in my hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucknut Posted May 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 Thanks for all the input everyone!!.. As of right now im leaning more towards the Encore because of the barrel changing capability.. Im thinking of going with a Nikon Prostaff 3x9 for a scope..Hopefully i can slam a big Saskatchewan buck with it next fall...Bucknut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyt03 Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 Yeah if your looking to use it for other things other then ML then Encore is an excellent choice. It's an awesome gun. Good choice on scope too. You will love your setup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 BowtechTurkeyHunter, What's the difference between the Triumph and the Omega? I've just started seeing Triumph ads, but besides the action being break-open versus falling block, I'm not sure if there's anything significantly different about them(?). The biggest difference is the barrell ... its not near the barrell the Omega has ... the other thing is it is bigger around the handle ... also the neatest feature is that it has the finger removable 90 degree turn breech plug removal ... thats pretty nice but I am not even sure how practical it is ... I mean when I clean a ML I plan at least 20-30 minutes to clean it ... I dont care if it takes me an extra 30 seconds to remove the breech plug ... I personally like the Omega but the Tiumph with all the advertising they are putting into it ... I think it will be a hot seller this year ... If it were me and all I wanted was a Ml and nothing more I would buy the Omega ... plain and simple Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bonecollector34 Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 I can honestly say, I have trusted my life with my T/C. I have never had a misfire(I have misloaded once or twice). LOL Try and reload with a 2000 water buffalo bearing down on ya. I Loooove my Omega. I have 9 SCI Top 10 animals and 1 World Record with it. I will never shoot another muzzleloader. Fatty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 My best buddy has one of these and I got to say the recoil is no where near a 12 guage slug IMO. I can hardly feel it, but when I shot a 12 gauge it bites a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 Also check out a 4-12 scope instead of a 3-9. The extra one power on the bottom won't hurt you at close range, but the extra 3 power on top will help with shots over 100 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCFORLIFE Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Have you made your purchase yet? I have the omega with the thumbhole stock and realtree finish. I put a nikon 3x9x40 on it. I have never had any problems, no miss fires either. Excellent gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 I'm surprised many say the Encore is like a 12 ga. mag. I would say that it is more like a 20.ga. I do shoot only 100 grains ( 2 50 grn. 777 pellets ) My friend has an Omega, and really likes it. I have only owned TC's, but there are alot of quality guns out there. too_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdickey Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 Most everybody has covered the gun....the TC line is a good choice! But also see where you're also gonna use the Nikon scope.... that BDC will do the job for you. It does take a little getting use to since it is not a mil-dot reticle! But, it is an accurate, bright scope and one you should enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nygobdropper Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 I have both a T/C Encore and a T/C Encore Prohunter. Both are 50 cal. I shoot (3) 777 pellets (150 gr) and a 250 gr. T/C shockwave bullet. There is a huge difference in the felt recoil between the regular encore and the encore prohunter. The flextech stock is awesome. I would assume that the omega and encore would have similar recoil. As far as scopes go, I would recomend the Nikon Omega, If you want to spend the $. That is what I have on my Prohunter and the BDC rectical works as advertised (for me) and the bullet / load combination that I shoot. I have leupold & Burris scopes on my rifles and a bushnell on my shotgun. The Nikon is super clear and bright comparible to the leupold. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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