Guest john9 Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 I just starting trying out Crimson Talon Crimson Cuda expanding broadheads. I discovered a design flaw that might effect other over the top expandable heads. When fully opened, the blades come in contact with a metal washer that comes with the broadhead that fits in between the insert and the broadhead. When the blade are fully opened, they hit this washer, and it stops the blade's backward movement. This sounds find in theory. I just noticed on the one arrow i was using this head on, the washer is bent in 3 places where the 3 blades make contact when in the fully open position. Furthermore, My insert also has the same three indents from the impact of the blades. My insert is no longer perfectly round, and heads do not fit flush when screwed down. I am using Easton epic st arrows with HP inserts. There is nothing wrong with my arrows or inserts. The inserts fit flush to the shaft, and the shaft is cut even. Do all over the top expanding blades use contact with the arrow itself to stop the rearward motion of the blades? The range of motion of the blades is too great that they hit the rim of the insert/washer with such force as to bend it. I am shooting into a Block 4x4 with 60 + lbs of KE. Perhaps this design works with less power, but with this power level they will ruin your arrows. I am now looking into the Rage rear deployment heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 You need the BAR for your arrow ... that will fix the exact problem you are describing ... you can get BAR for your arrows where you bought your arrows or order them online ... BAR Broadhead Adapter Ring You need either a BAR 5,6,or size 7 depending on the size arrow you shoot http://www.eastonarchery.com/productsPage.asp?show=epic Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest john9 Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Thank you for that information, I am sure BAR would solve the issue. However, after reading the over 40 reviews of the Rage broadheads, here and at Cabelas, I will be buying them today. It seems they make all other broadheads obsolete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Cool but you still need BAR's lol ... any fixed blade with removable blades (such as Muzzy's) or mechanicals you need BAR's Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mikemcd Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 dumb question - why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 I don't use them with my Muzzies. Never had a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest john9 Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 I can not see why I would need a BAR with the Rage. They screw in flush to the insert just like field points. The bade opening action is totally contained within the head itself. The practice head shoots 100% the same as my field points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Easton Broadhead Adapter Rings are perfect for Axis carbon arrows and Beman MFX carbon arrows. Easton designed them to provide a solid lockup and smooth transition between small diameter carbon arrows and your field points and broadheads. When shooting field points that are slightly larger in diameter than your shafts, you'll notice a small shoulder or "lip" where the shaft and point meet. This lip tears up your targets quickly causing you to invest in new targets more often. By adding the Easton "Broadhead Adapter Ring" to your setup the "arrow point to shaft" transition is smooth and your archery targets last longer. That saves you money! When used with broadheads you get a wider, more secure "base of broadhead to shaft" connection. (With some modular broadheads it's a must to hold the blades in!) This is off of Eastons site ... hope this answers everyones questions Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 Yep you must of had some poor strength washers. The washer is suppose to stop the blade from damaging the inserts. Think thats bad try it without a washer at all. LOL Talk about crimping a mech head to an arrow. Not coming off without damage to one or both. LOL Live and learn I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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