Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 how many of you live in a state where smoking in public places is banned? restaurants, bars, etc....michigan is looking to do this and all i have to say is IT IS ABOUT TIME!. i absolutly hate smoke and smoking. this debate is going on over at the michigam sportsmans forum, and there a lot of people complaining about them just taking away another freedom and pretty much complaining about it. even non-smokers. just wondering what you guys though and if you are in a state that has done this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 i do. it's a legal product, sold legally, and used legally. i don't smoke, and i hate it. but, if it's legal, so be it. this is our politicians not wanting to lose the taxes raised from smokers, but wanting to regulate smoking. insist that your folks in washington either make it illegal, or legal. you choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DU_man_84 Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Jan 1. 2008 they are passing a smoking ban here in illinois statewide, for bars, clubs, etc. except gambling boats, and to be honest i cant wait for it to happen, even though it is legal to smoke and people have the right to smoke, i think it is a good thing, yes it sucks for the smokers but its something i believe should be done, they are calling for a 40 decrease in business when the ban is passed, it also sucks for the business, but i cant stand going into a public place where people smoke, i cant stand it, i hate the smell of it and the smell of stale smoke on your close the next day, and most restuarants, excluding like bars, are family oriented places where children are present, yeah i know they have there non and smoking sections, but i think its just better for the future IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkoholic Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Banned in Montana in all public places except bars and will be illegal in bars after a couple of years. The bar owners really squealed and managed to get an exemption for several years. A nasty habit to have and those who are addicted to smoking are causing a tremendous strain on our health care system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 I hate smoking and wish they do ban it. Hate going into a store or restaurant and have to smell it on the way in. Especially hate it around my children. Nasty habit that has no benefit and in the end costs us all. Wish people that do it could quit, easier said than done but getting lung cancer or emphasema (sp?) is not a way to leave this great world! Really hate see young people doing it, killing theirselves with those cancer sticks! You want addiction get into hunting, do not start smoking and if you do smoke quit so you can enjoy more years of hunting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 People should not have be exposed to other peoples nasty habits and the ill effects they cause. I cannot stand being around smoke, really stinks when walking in a store and there are smokers standing in front of the door, kind of irritating too, especially when you have your kids with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 A nasty habit to have and those who are addicted to smoking are causing a tremendous strain on our health care system. Amen! Granted not everyone sees horrible results for puffing but a vast majority does. I smoked for a few years and thank God I quit. I cant imagine smoking again. I truly wish I could say ive never had one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 really stinks when walking in a store and there are smokers standing in front of the door, kind of irritating too, especially when you have your kids with you. Thats the biggy for me to William. I dont like walking through a plume of smoke let alone pulling my little one through it. At this year's easter egg hunt put on by our city, a woman was sitting in the middle of a group of kids puffing away. It kept drifting to our daughter and I was getting furious. Finally I think she got the point and realized people weren't happy with her second hand smoke and their kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun_300 Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Ontario is smoke-free province wide in ALL public places, bars included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowin_in_illinois Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 I smoked for 17 years...quit 4 years ago. It is a nasty habit, and isn't fair to expose those that choose not to smoke to the effects of it. I say a ban is long overdue. Illinois will be there soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Thats the biggy for me to William. I dont like walking through a plume of smoke let alone pulling my little one through it. Yep, really think it is quite inconsiderate for people to do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Ohio has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 First, I don't smoke. Second, I don't like the smell of smoke. Third, I'll vigorously defend a business's right to decided whether or not they want to allow smoking. I've got two good legs and a free will. If I don't want to enter a business that allows smoking, I can dang well leave. Municipal and other public places like city hall, the courthouse, tax office, DMV office, etc. are a different story. I may not have the option of not going in there, so banning smoking in those types of places is acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDRUNNER Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Hmmm,I guess I'm on the other side of the fence on this one.It's legal and this is America so I disagree with state laws that ban it in any public place.If a business owner wants his establishment to be smoke free then that's fine.Most people that go to bars and smokey places are not the least bit worried about the smoke in there.If you don't like it than go somewhere else ,it's simple as that.And NO,I'm not a smoker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted June 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Most people that go to bars and smokey places are not the least bit worried about the smoke in there. Bars are one thing, but what about restaurants?? why should non-smokers have to sit through, what they would like to be a nice peaceful meal without there food tasting like smoke, or having to breathe it in?? If you don't like it than go somewhere else ,it's simple as that. those are the same answers i was reading at the other forum...my question is this, why should us non-smokers, and those of us who can't stand it, have to quit going to restaurants or any other place we enjoy? why can't the smokers do that? or at least try and go an hour or so without a cigarette?? i'm all for people having freedom to do thing that are legal and all that nonsense, but this is something that isn't just harmful to them, it is harmfull to everyone around them....what if they were to legalize drinking and driving? drinking is legal right?? so why not, smoking may not be as extreme an driving drunk, but in both situations, that person is not the only one at risk of being hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 If you don't like it than go somewhere else ,it's simple as that. NO, I am sorry, but sometimes it is not as simple as that. Sometimes there are places you have to go and really have little or no choice. Perfect example, going to a store to get a prescription for your kid who is sick. You get to the doors and there are a group of inconsiderate people standing outside the door with their smoke blowing in yours and your kids faces. In my opinion that type of thing should be banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSGB Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 We are smoke free except places that are 18+ like bars. I think it was long overdue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Smoke free in Florida except at bars. Quite refreshing to be able to take my kids to the local bowling alley now without coming out smelling like I just took them to a nightclub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDRUNNER Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 We are smoke free except places that are 18+ like bars. I think it was long overdue. Now this I could understand.This makes way more sense to me.If anyone ever intentionally blew smoke in my face,it would get ugly pretty quick.I believe what we will see here in Illinois is a lot of people going across the river to Missouri for their plans and taking a lot of business over with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 They've had the smoking ban in public places up here for years now. Personally, I couldn't care less, except for the fact that the government doesn't seem to mind bootlegging the stuff, but wants to tell you when you can and can't use it. I don't mind being polite, and waiting till my meal is done and going outside to smoke. The old argument the government uses here is that "those who are addicted to smoking are causing a tremendous strain on our health care system" which is in my opinion, a bunch of bull pucky. Drinkers are a much bigger strain on the health care system than smoker will ever be, and nothing is said about that. Car accidents, liver disease, bar fights, etc, etc, etc. Most smokers die 20 years younger in most cases than non-smokers, so that's 20 year of not being a strain on any health system ..LOL..while the healthy die of other diseases at an old age and are still using the health care system. This whole second hand smoke being more dangerous than anything is also a crock. Think about it...smokers not only inhale the first hand smoke, they also inhale the second hand smoke. What about the second hand effects of drinkers. Car accidents, bar fights, breakups, suffering children, spousal abuse, etc, etc. I get tired of hearing all this propaganda leveled against smokers, for the soul purpose of taxing the heck out of tobacco products so the government can raise more money, for who knows what. I'm in no way saying that smoking is good for you. It's a nasty, smelly habit for sure, and not good for ones health, but come on, I've been smoking since I was 8 years old, and am now 54, and I have never been to the doctor for a smoking related illness yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted June 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 We are smoke free except places that are 18+ like bars. I think it was long overdue. this would be fine to..most people who go to bars are there for one purpose and don't really care about the smoke, heck half of them probably bum a smoke off of others when they are drunk....but as for restaurants or something where a FAMILY may go, i think it should be banned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Once again, Texas til I Die has the right take on this one. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it should be banned. I am still mystified at the fact that government is now telling PRIVATE business owners what they can, and cannot do on their PRIVATE property. Breaking it down as simply as that, it's amazing how people (including non-smokers), aren't up in arms about this. And the usual arguements that I always hear thrown out there just don't jive with me. They are (in no particular order) 1.) It's bad for your health. Yeah, that's true, but so is over eating and you don't see anybody banning obese people from any where...and you sure as heck don't see anybody banning extra value meals. 2.) Second-hand smoke kills. Umm...maybe if you're around a chain smoker, in-doors, for 20 years. You hanging out in a bar where people are smoking for a few hours will have no effect on your health. Al Gore's global warming propaganda thinks that's ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that there are many other toxins in are atmosphere that are more dangerous, and we are all breathing that in everyday. For the record...I'm not a smoker although I do smoke when I drink adult beverages, which is a habit I partake in on a weekly basis. I really could care less if you can smoke inside a private eshtablishment or not. I just can't stand the fact that ignorant people have an impact on my life in anyway. Unfortunately for us all, there's way too many ignorant people in this world, and apparently they all hold positions in government **cough** George Bush **cough** or if they do not, they're a part of the media and they feed this type of nonsense to all minions who can't think for themselves and said minions lap it up faster than they can scarf down their double cheesburger and fries. I'm sorry for the rant...man, I need a smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Glad I live in Florida. :D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildside Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 I wholeheartedly believe that all people should treat attempts to limit any of our freedoms with caution and careful consideration. Government does have a huge responsibility to do what it can to provide a safe and comfortable living environment for us. I would support limiting where smoking can occur only to the extent that it benefits most of the people. I can easily relate to the posted comments that talk about going someplace for fun with the kids and not wanting to walk out with them smelling like a couple of Marlboros. I can also appreciate an adult choosing to go into a bar for a couple of drinks and a smoke without having a posted sign reading "No shirt, no shoes, no smoking". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 I wholeheartedly believe that all people should treat attempts to limit any of our freedoms with caution and careful consideration. Government does have a huge responsibility to do what it can to provide a safe and comfortable living environment for us. I would support limiting where smoking can occur only to the extent that it benefits most of the people. I can easily relate to the posted comments that talk about going someplace for fun with the kids and not wanting to walk out with them smelling like a couple of Marlboros. I can also appreciate an adult choosing to go into a bar for a couple of drinks and a smoke without having a posted sign reading "No shirt, no shoes, no smoking". I'd like to place my vote for "Best post by a newbie" for the above quote. Well said man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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