Guest john9 Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Hello All, My bow is dead on at 20 , 30 and 40 yards, on level ground. I have learned this means nothing when shooting down from even a small angle. Example, when shooting a target 28 yards away from a small angle, the 30 yard pin is very high, would be a spine shot. I use my 20 yard pin and am dead center. I figure that from a 15 or 20 foot tree stand, all my pins will be very high. Do you sight in from your tree stand, and hang your stand at the same hight each time? Or do you use an ARC comp rangerfinder? If you use and ARC comp rangefinder, which one? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Bend at the waist, do not drop your bow arm. Shoot the distance that you know what it is! If 30 yards, use the 30 yard pin. This was told to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Interesting .... I shoot from a 20ft. stand and I bend at the waist and aim dead on for that yardage,, and usually hit the mark fairly close everytime... Be sure you are bending at the waist ,,, you can't shoot from a elevated stand standing straight up like you would on the ground.... and be sure to practice shooting from your stand every chance you can get.. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mach1 Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I've never had a problem with my arrows hitting differently from a stand than they do from level ground. All our stands are set from 15-20 feet high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest john9 Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Thanks for the replys. Forgive the dumb question. Bend at the waist the reduce the angle, right? Should I also bend my knees more to also reduce the angle? So if I do this right, I should be able to shoot from a 20 ft stand, and hit a target 30 yards away, with my 30 yard pin, that was sighted in on level ground? I do not think I could bend enought to comp for the angle. Ex, when shooting from a 15 ft deck at a 40 yard target, I was shooting right over it using the 40 yard pin. 30 yard pin, dead on. Everything I have read, arrows or bullets, said "aim low when shooting up or down at steep angles or you shoot over the deer's back" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhunter91 Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 john.. no need to bend your knees.. You bend at the waist to maintan proper form and the proper geometric angles. This also ensures that your anchor points will be the same, as opposed to just lowering your arm to compensate for the angle. Lowering your arm will throw your anchor points off. If you bend at the waist, your anchors will remain correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Only bend at the waist... If you sighted in at 20 yrds. on the ground, when you are in your stand bend at the waist and use your 20yrd. pin dead on..this goe's for 30yrds and on also.. you shouldn't have to compensate for elavation angle atleast I never have...... Pratice the bending at the waist method in your stand... you'll see what we mean... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest john9 Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Thank you all for the good advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flintlock1776 Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I will use the Summit HOT DOT sight on my main bow. Automatic pendulum mode is dead on out to 30 yards. Been working nice in practice. No pin arms to get in the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Try standing on the ground with your bow aimed at the target, then just lower your arm without bending. That is what happens in a treestand if you don't bend at the waist, and what makes you shoot high. Good question and is always good to refresh everyone's memory on this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bownarow Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 The difference in range from a certain height (i.e. treestand) to what it is on the ground is actually not all that much. From a treestand height of just 20 feet you would have to shoot at a target at 50 yards before seeing a range difference of just 2 yards. A 20 yard shot from a 20ft eleveated position only results in a difference of .5 yards. With that being said. I think it must also be noted that shooting uphill is not the same as shooting downhill at the same angle. Althought the geometry works out the same way, you must take into account the direction the arrow is traveling in relation to the direction gravity is acting. Uphill gravity is hurting your arrow flight compared to straight line shooting while downhill, gravity is actuall helping the arrow along. It's way to complex to be able to figure out in that split second you have when deciding to take an animal or not, so the best advise is just to keep practicing all the different shots you may incounter in the woods. That way you know what's going to happen b/c you've done it before. Anyway, you've already gotten a good amount advice from all the experts here, I was just adding a little more supporting info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoss Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 befor i started bending at the waist . i used to shoot at the spot i wanted my arrow to exect. witch means shoot aboue 4in. low. this works well also.good luck and happy hunting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest john9 Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Thanks everyone, this clears up alot. I never knew to bend at the waist. Even when shooting from level ground, every now and then I would have a shot go high, I never knew why. I tried the bending at the waist this morning, it worked. Just a slight bend makes a huge difference. Ex 30 yards from a slight downward angle standing straight up, I am over the target. Slight bend, and I am dead on. Dumb question: Bending at the waist means when standing, shoulder facing the target. Bending slightly forward in the same way as if I was going to touch my toes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkoholic Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 As has already been stated, the most important thing is maintaining proper form, which means bending at the waist. When it comes to distance compensating range finders, once again, a marketing ploy that in reality would have no affect under 99% of all hunting conditions. Remember, most misses or poor shot placement, either firearm or bow, are the result of two things. The first being, aiming at the whole animal and not picking a spot which results in high or middle of the body hits. The second being, poor shooting form/poor release or trigger pull. Practice, that is perfect practice, is the trick. It is better to discover something like this now than the weekend before the opener. If you have watched enough hunting shows/videos you have probably noticed that high hits are common, even among the "pros". I hope they are not intentionally trying for spine shots. It still amazes me when Waddell takes some 50+ yard shot and pulls it off and everyone thinks he's a great shot and then he misses inside of 30 yards or spine shoots one at 20 yards. Nothing is perfect in the hunting woods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest john9 Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I am very careful about good form, "pulling the bow apart" I have no trouble shooting tight groups into my Delta buck vital zone out to 40 yards. I used to stand straight up, and once in a while, a shot would go high, I could never understand why. I see now that a slight bend will solve this issue. I just want to make sure I understand the correct way to bend. It seems bending is even more important now that I will be shooting from a stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I have no trouble shooting tight groups into my Delta buck vital zone out to 40 yards. I'm going to step out on a limb here and give some advice ( which I had the unfortunate experience of first hand) so please don't take this personally... A DELTA target isn't a living, breathing and movable animal... I'm very proficient with my bow up to 50 yrds... and when I say proficient I mean I can group 3 arrow shots within inches of each other... So I thought I could do this to a live animal also,,, WRONG !! WRONG !! and VERY WRONG ... :( Here's why... The speed of sound is 769 mph, or 1128 ft/s ,, :eek: So you tell me which is faster... The sound that your bow makes before the animal hears it ?? ,,,, or the arrow that is moving maybe 280 - 300 ft/s ?? I challange anyone to find a bow that shoots even close to 1128 ft/s .. So my advice is practice your 40 yrd. shots in the backyard.. this is a good thing,, but when in your stand drawing on a live animal,, THINK ,,, speed of sound vs. bow speed .. which is faster..;) I personally won't shoot over 30yrds... PERIOD.. Now with this all said,, remember this is only MY personal advice... take it for what it may be worth... I wish you nothing but the best in the upcoming season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest john9 Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I have no plans on taking a 40 yard shot. The last thing I want to do is wound. I doubt I would ever even have a clear shot beyond 30 yards, my area is dense woods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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