Guest gt2003 Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 I'm definitely not brand bashing here. I've got an older Knight Wolvering with the #11 cap ignition system. The gun is extremely accurate and I wouldn't trade it for the world. I just see the T/C and even CVA offerings and wonder if Knight is keeping up with the pack. What are everyones thoughts? Their primer systems/jackets seem to be an inconvenience but are they worth it reliability wise? They may actually be ahead of the pack so I'm really just looking for opinions. Like I said, i like Knight but for some reason feel they are lagging behind a bit. Thoughts appreciated. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowana Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 I still feel the Knight rifle ignition system is the King of the pack. I still feel the Knight Bolt system (they say D.I.S.C) is the finest of the lock up systems. Knight does not lack innovation. What they do lack is the ability to transfer thier products from marketing to advertising to customer. The .52 Knight Long Range Hunter is the finest production muzzleloader from front to back (was not marketed very well). Put a trigger scale on the rifle and you will start to know why. While I will say that the Encore System is a simple and well engineered system, I will pull my long range hunter from the gun safe everytime. My son is not complaining though, he gets to use the Encore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hangunnr Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 I agree with Johns assessment of Knights ignition system. The Disc system is hard to beat. They also did it right from the start using Timney triggers in their guns. They haven't however been able to keep up with T/C in the advertising department. I've only owned one Knight which was purchased here in the RT forums classifieds. The gun was just like every other Knight that I've shot or handled. Accuracy was OK but the thing felt like I was holding a 2X4. The Knights stocks just don't fit me. I sold the gun as quick as I could. The guy that currently owns it seems satisfied though.... hangunnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gt2003 Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Thanks for the thoughts/opinions. I'm really not too fond of the 209 ignition systems. Does precision rifle offer a substitute ignition system that will work in the Knight rifles? I doubt I will purchase a new ML this year but would really like a Knight when I buy my next rifle so thought I would get opinions before I purchased something different. Thanks again, Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PA_RIDGE_RUNNER Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 I shoot a Knight bighorn which is very much like the Wolverine. The Bighorn apparently is quite a popular rifle as they brought it back out a couple of years ago and still currently still sell it. Mine like yours came with the nipple for either the #11 or Musket caps. I am also partial to the hornady xtp bullets and have killed 3 or 4 deer with them. I started out with the 240 gr xtps but found that the heavier 300 gr xtps and harvester crush rib sabots and 80 gr of 2f black powder with a musket cap gives me great accuracy. On a real good day I can get sub moa three shot groups. I have hunted here in PA and in Kansas with this setup and at the moment would not trade it for anything. Great accuracy and an outstanding trigger and a good accurate green mt barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gt2003 Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 LOL, I used to shoot the Hornady XTP 300 grain bullets with incredibly accuracy. But, they just wouldn't kill deer for me with 90 grains of pyrodex RS. I lost 3-4 deer with them and swore if I lost another one then I'd hang up the muzzleloader. Thanks to some good advice, I switched to the all lead, precision rifle dead center bullet. I've literally not lost a deer that I've shot at since (3 deer and counting I think). I currently shoot 80 grains of 777 with a 220 grain dead center bullet. The majority of my shots are inside of 50 yards so I am considering trying the preciison rifle Keith Nose Hollow points in the 330 grain size just for kicks. The expansion looks incredible and distance shooting is not an option for me where I currently hunt. I love Knight rifles and if I ever replace my current wolverine I'd really like to stick with a Knight and a Green Mountain barrel. Thanks for the input, Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR44 Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Can't explain why the XTP didn't work, I use them in my handguns. I found that the Knight Ultimate Slam Series 245 gr(Barnes spitzer boattail) coupled with Triple 7 (2 pills/100gr) worked pretty good with my Knight Extreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierbuck Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Knight Knight has a break action that uses the DISC called the vision, and a rolling block action that does not use the disc called the KRB. You can find a Knight with whatever features you like, basically. I have 3 Knights and love them. I am not paid by Knight or anything, but I did meet the boss at the NRA show a couple years ago. Nice as can be. HB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowana Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Nice Photo! Tony is a great guy and a wonderful innovator. Really the in-line king. But, he no longer owns Knight Rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierbuck Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 True, he does not own it, but still has a position (President?) in upper management. Just like lots of companies, Knight is owned by a conglomerate corporation that owns all kinds of companies, with all kinds of operations. I think he still has a lot of pull with it, though. HB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 knight also has a new one out they call the kp1 i think. it has interchangable barrels like the encore in a break open style. alot more reasonably priced than the encore also. i think it was like 600 0r 650 for the kp1 with a 50 cal ml barrel and your choice of one other rifle barrel. i saw them at the iowa deer classic this year and almost bought one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gt2003 Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 Nice options I guess but i've got my bow, my ML and my Remington 7mm. So, I'm just looking for a ML that takes something besides the 209 primer. Looks like i can get it adjusted as needed. Thanks, Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revhard Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Gonna get bashed here I think.. lol .. but I cant stand a Knight. I think the D.I.S.C is just one more piece that can go wrong, and an un needed part.More to have to fool with. T/C has accomplished the same end result with one less part. And the ease of cleaning on a T/C is unmatched, bar non.Pulling th gun to shoulder,it fits, un like the lumbersome Knights. To me Knight is WAY behind the pack, heck I dont even think they are on the lead lap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannoBoone1 Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Gonna get bashed here I think.. lol .. but I cant stand a Knight. I think the D.I.S.C is just one more piece that can go wrong, and an un needed part.More to have to fool with. T/C has accomplished the same end result with one less part. And the ease of cleaning on a T/C is unmatched, bar non.Pulling th gun to shoulder,it fits, un like the lumbersome Knights. To me Knight is WAY behind the pack, heck I dont even think they are on the lead lap! I personally don't own a Knight....mine are Encore, Savage 10ML, and Lyman Trade Rifle. However, I know several hunters (personally) who own and use Knight's with tremendous success. Just because one owns a T/C and is personally satisfied with it, doesn't mean a Knight is a POS. Afterall, the Knight people started the revolution of inline ML's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revhard Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 I personally don't own a Knight....mine are Encore, Savage 10ML, and Lyman Trade Rifle. However, I know several hunters (personally) who own and use Knight's with tremendous success. Just because one owns a T/C and is personally satisfied with it, doesn't mean a Knight is a POS. Afterall, the Knight people started the revolution of inline ML's. told ja I'd get bashed.. but he asked our opinion and I gave him mine. I dont feel I did anything wrong at all. And I never said they are a POS. And Just because they started it doesent mean they perfected it either. I think that CVA makes a really nice muzzle loader also, along with a few others. But thats my OPINION... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billkay Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Tony has very little, if anyhting to do with Knight. I believe the position he had with them after the sale was "Founder". They are owned by Pradco which is based in AL. They do have 2 or 3 people that still work in Iowa however. The store, manuf. plant and warehouse is empty. Knight does indeed have the KP1 which has interchangable barrels between M/L and several rifle, both rim and centerfire styles. I think it will be available in the fall. From this year forward, all Knight rifles will be shipped with the ability to shoot either the original 209/DISC, or a plain 209 primer. There are adapters that will allow you to shoot a rifle/pistol primer as well. If you think that the 209 is too powerful, 777 makes primers that are a bit shorter on charge. The Bighorn was brought out of retirement primarily I believe to conform with M/L laws in some western states. I've shot or hunted with both the KRB and the Vision and they are both awesome weapons. I do favor the Vision though. The Extreme is my #1 gun. As far as being cumbersome, I guess it's what you get used to. I have found that my Knights that have the thumbhole stocks are much more comfortable than the standard stocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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