buckee Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 There is considerable truth in this. The voice of whatever "moderate Muslims" exist is much too mooted and passive, and recent surveys point to some very disconcerting trends i.e. 25% of Muslims 25yrs and under say suicide bombing is sometimes justifiable. A man whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War Two owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. "Very few people were true Nazis "he said," but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories." We are told again and again by "experts" and "talking heads" that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam. The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. And will continue to rule if nothing is done. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. The hard quantifiable fact is that the "peaceful majority", the "silent majority" is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia comprised Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge population, it was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people. The average Japanese individual prior to World War 2 was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel and bayonet. And, who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were "peace loving"? History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awake one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun. Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for us who watch it all unfold; we must pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life. Lastly, at the risk of offending, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious, can contribute to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself a bit and think about it I ask you. Should we really pull out of Iraq? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Pretty sure I have read that before Steve. The extremists or fanatics have been pretty straight forward with what their goals are, we should all be concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 nope. stay in iraq. fight them there, or fight them here. but we WILL fight them somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobw Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 . Our Country Is Just To Easy Going... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlriggins Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 Unfortunately there is a fine line between peacekeeper and warmonger I agree that the minority can overinfluence the majority BUT you you cant base a war on (I think these people who havent done anything to us will be our enemy in a few years). If you base an offensive opinion on this kind of thinking then why dont we invade Iran, Syria, North Korea, Russia for threatening to target nukes at European countries,and while we are at it France because they refused to sent their troops into Iraq. I think Ill kill my neighbor and his family because I think his kid might push my child down on the playground is not the kind of thinking that is going to fix the problem in Iraq. I say to whoever is in charge of Iraq you had better get your Military and police force up and running by X-date and as of X-date we are pulling out and will deal with the problem at a later time if needed and the next time our tanks cross your boarders we will not be as nice and to **** with the UN we will do this our way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 ???what?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 I say to whoever is in charge of Iraq you had better get your Military and police force up and running by X-date and as of X-date we are pulling out and will deal with the problem at a later time if needed and the next time our tanks cross your boarders we will not be as nice and to **** with the UN we will do this our way. I see several problems with that. 1. As long as we are there, the extremists don't have to spend as much money to bring the fight to us. When we leave, they WILL come to us. I don't want G.I. Joe or treestandbowhunter in my wal-mart with an M16. The sad fact is, we are going to fighting this thing for a long time. Lets let the Muslims count their endless dead and wounded, not us. 2. Many of the people fighting in Iraq are Iranians and are being funded by the Iranian government. The second we move out, Iran will move in. Then they'll have nukes and twice the oil. 3. We are the only ones really in control of anything over there. 4. It doesn't matter what date we leave. When and if we do, the Muslim extremists will make it their victory day and make us into losers to their people. Why do I care? The bravado that it will create will turn into a battle cry and we will see more of them come here and see the same stuff going on here that they have to deal with. Bottom line. As long as the fight is there, the fight is THERE!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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