Bownarow Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 I asked about getting higher poundage limbs for my bow and this is what the Mathews/Hoyt/Bowtech/Parker/Bear salesman at the bowshop told me. 90# draws are available on almost any bow out right now. You can get the new Dren or Vectrix in 90# limbs but they are all special order. The real kicker is that these companies don't garauntee any limbs over 70#. So you can get them, but if they break you are on your own for the bill to replace them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhine16 Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 I asked about getting 80# limbs on my hoyt, but they said he'd have to special order, and that they wouldnt be replaced if broken. I got my 70# limbs to max out at 73, so i figured i'd just stick to that. I know you dont need any more than 60, but why not be shooting faster if you can? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 When you get a little older you will understand.........when your shoulders and back start to hurt. If you can shoot consistantly with 73 lbs go for it.......... You don't have to these days. Used to you had to pull 75# to get 260 FPS. Not so now. One thing most people are not realizing is how much more accurate you would be pulling a 60 lb bow....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 When you get a little older you will understand.........when your shoulders and back start to hurt. If you can shoot consistantly with 73 lbs go for it.......... You don't have to these days. Used to you had to pull 75# to get 260 FPS. Not so now. One thing most people are not realizing is how much more accurate you would be pulling a 60 lb bow....... Amen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spcfoor Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 I'm no weakling but I have a hard time pulling back 70lbs. Grew up on a farm and spent 3 yrs in the army. Been in better shape but still can't help but strain to pull 70lbs. My protec is set at 63lbs and that is all I want. If he can pull 90 then more power to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 If you are shooting an IBO weight arrow (350grns) at 70lbs draw, an IBO weight arrow at 80lbs (400grns) will leave the bow at almost the same speed. Any chronograph owners want to check that statement feel free to do so. It's true the higher poundage set up will have more K.E. but the increase in speed, if any, is likely to be marginal. This is because the arrows shot from heavy weight bows MUST be heavier. The only real reason to increase draw weight substantially is to get more force available for the distance of penetration you would like to achieve. In other words more Kinetic Energy. By definition that is exactly what Kinetic Energy is, the potential for a projectile to produce a certain force over a given distance. Momentum limits how much force a projectile can give up in a fixed period of time. Kinetic energy limits how far the projectile may go when exposed to a specific resistive force. In Africa, a 70lb draw weight is considered absolutely adequate for Kudu sized game (about the same size as elk). Unless you are considering hunting some of the dangerous game species (ie. buffalo, rhino or elephant) 70lbs is just fine. There are legal limits on draw weight, arrow weight and kinetic energy for many particular animals over in Africa. But a 70lb setup is perfectly fine for most of the animals over there. In fact, you can do quite well with a 60lb setup. Bottomline, is this guy full of it for saying he shoots that draw weight? Maybe not. But his reasoning for doing so, may be flawed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwlacy Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Some years ago when I was in my late teens and early twenties I shot a Hoyt at 94lbs. I would turn it down to 86 or 87 lbs for winter leagues, and then crank it up for 3D all summer. I shot everyday. I am only 5'8 and at that time around 175lbs. I had no problem shooting that draw weight. Although it was mostly an ego thing!!! I did like the performance on deer. People keep asking why shoot that. I'll tell you that with a heavy arrow and moderate speed you get tons of energy. You can hit a deer just about anywhere and still pass thru. It's kind of the same reason to shoot a .300 RUM instead of a .243. I used to watch Dan Fitzgerald shoot a 90lb long bow, now there is a real chore. Now I only shoot at 72lbs, and my shoulder is thanking me. A few more years down the road and I may only shoot 65lbs, who knows. I say if you can shoot high pounds comfortably and accurately then go for it. More power to you. What's the big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTBUCK Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Love to see some video of him pulling that bow.. Might be good comedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayzorp Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 90 lbs!!! No muscle tone?!!!,, I don't believe any manufacturer today would even recommend using that kind of pull strength.. I don't know,, sounds like someone is talking out his muffler,, (you get my drift) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildthing Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 I guess a better question is "Why shoot a 90 lbs. bow?" Especially if hunting most North American game. Do the Realtree boys shoot 90 lbs bows? Does Chuck Adams shoot a 90 lbs bow? Do the Drury's shoot a 90 lbs. bow? I have never in my life spoken with or seen any televised, accomplished archers shoot a 90 lbs. bow. If they don't, and the native americans didn't, why should I is my philosophy. In my opinion, Bow hunting is about taking an ethical shot with a focus on shot placement. I shoot a 70 lbs bow, and when it get a little cold outside and the body gets stiff in the treestand, even that can be too much...and I am 29 yrs. old, 5'9, 185 lbs and played college football. I would have been as critical of the statement as you were. Not necessary. The arrow needs to kill the game, not just put a whole in it! I would have told that guy to stay on range and out of the woods! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckslayer Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 I know Bowtech makes a couple of those arm breakers.........I shoot at 65. My next target bow will be 60 max...........just for comfort and the ability to hold for a long time.......... Likewise hutchies. Bowtech had the patriot and the extreme vtf Sampson versions about 4-5 years ago that were I believe 80-100lbs. I shoot at about 61 and hunt the same weight. Practice a lot and it is easy for me after a couple of weeks of practice and by october I can shoot 50 shots without any fatigue. ------- Ok didn't see there was a second page to this, my bad.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123 4/8 P&Y Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 I pulled 98 lbs. one time. I worked in an archery pro shop for a while. This guy brought in a HCA bow to get his strings replaced. It had 100 lb. limbs on it but I think he was shooting it at around 85 lbs. For fun I cranked it up and measured the weight (after I changed the strings) and it pulled 98 lbs. I pulled it back a couple of times but didn't shoot it. I don't think I could have pulled it back while wearing tons of warm clothes with a big buck standing in front of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tecumseh Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 When I first started shooting a bow in the early 80's Jennings had a model called the elephant bow, I think the guy shooting it had it set at 90 lbs If I rember right.But the school of thought back then was the more poundage the faster the speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlott89 Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 some people can shoot 90+ lb bows some others cant..i dont have any proublems pulling it back in nov with big warm clothes on..i usually try to put the coat or whatever it is on before i go hunting or anywhere and do a test pull before i go in the woods or leave the house. i like my bow at 90-95 lbs caus some of those big buck or even big doe can jump the string of some bows at 35-40 yards.with mine i havent had a deer jump my string and they usually only go 30 yards max after i shoot it usually it kinda wobbles and then falls within 30yards of wherever i shot it..so it all depends..if they cant pull it back with ease then they shouldnt shoot it b/c theres a chance that they'll wound the deer.i shoot my bow 10 shots a day with 10 arrows so im shooting 100 or sometines over 100 arrows a day so i know how it shoots and it also can help because of the fatique that way u know ur limits when u go out ( say if u shoot 100 times and u can still shoot good groups then theres a better chance ull be more accurate , this is not always true with all people but for me and my dads cousin it is ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkoholic Posted August 5, 2007 Report Share Posted August 5, 2007 It appears to me that those archers who can not pull 90+ lbs can find all the reasons in the world not to. Using the theory of why use a 90 lb bow when you get a perfectly dead deer with a 45 lb bow. then, why use anything other than a willow stick, some string and a few hickory arrows tipped with stone heads? The guy may be pulling your leg, but, maybe not. Personally, I have no trouble pulling 90+ lbs after many hours on stand in 10 degree weather, but I also enjoy shooting at 70 lbs (and probably at 10 lbs). Many of the "professional" hunters appear to strain when coming to full draw and that has often puzzled me, but they seem to get the job done. After 40+ years of bow hunting I have come to the conclusion that whatever floats your boat is fine with me as long you are a legal/ethical hunter who can make the shot when the opportunity arrives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 the 2 biggest mistakes most bowhunters make are to heavy a draw weight and to long a draw length. please only shoot what draw weight you can handle easily. but i do know some of the guys Griz is talking about. they shoot 80lbs, there bow speed is 300 fps and the 20 yard indoor range is really 30 yards. some guys just like to stretch the truth. whats funny is when they shoot through the chronograph and there bow is only shooting 250 fps when they thought it was like 300 fps. there draw weight when measured on a scale and it is really 68 lbs and not 80. the heartbrealker is when you tell them the indoor range is really 20 yards and not 30. thats about the time they walk out the door and dont come back, because they were caught in their lies. Shoot Strong Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 some people can shoot 90+ lb bows some others cant..i dont have any proublems pulling it back in nov with big warm clothes on..i usually try to put the coat or whatever it is on before i go hunting or anywhere and do a test pull before i go in the woods or leave the house. i like my bow at 90-95 lbs caus some of those big buck or even big doe can jump the string of some bows at 35-40 yards.with mine i havent had a deer jump my string and they usually only go 30 yards max after i shoot it usually it kinda wobbles and then falls within 30yards of wherever i shot it..so it all depends..if they cant pull it back with ease then they shouldnt shoot it b/c theres a chance that they'll wound the deer.i shoot my bow 10 shots a day with 10 arrows so im shooting 100 or sometines over 100 arrows a day so i know how it shoots and it also can help because of the fatique that way u know ur limits when u go out ( say if u shoot 100 times and u can still shoot good groups then theres a better chance ull be more accurate , this is not always true with all people but for me and my dads cousin it is ) Really. what kind of bow do you shoot? what kind of arrows? please post a picture of yourself and your bow. i want to really see a picture of someone that is 17 years old and that can shoot a 90 to 95 lb bow 100 times a day. you must be related to the guy Griz is talking about in Oklahoma?. Shoot Strong Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlott89 Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 i shoot a high country bow that was custom made for me by my dads cosuin ( jeff blodgett ) , he owns a high country shop,sells bow and that kinda stuff. i shoot high country speed pro max ss s-hg arrows. and no im not related to the person in oklahoma and im about twice as big as the fellow he mentions.and ok i will post some picts when i get around to it or i might have one on my computer im not shure. i also have a 3d bow that i shoot that is made by high country.its the new high country iron mace.the limbs that come on it only max out at 70 lbs my dad cousin ( jeff ) is special ordering me some bigger draw weight limbs but using the 5.5 speed max carbon arrow at 70 lbs it shoots 380-390 ft per second and the ibo is 330-340 thats if u use beamen or some other brand of arrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlott89 Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 my dad just told me that before his cousin ( jeff ) went into the high country business that he had a hoyt that had the draw weight of over 90.im not shure what exactly it was all he remeembers it that it was a hoyt they might still have them out/makeing them im not shure. elkoholic 10-Pointer Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Montana Posts: 1,334 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It appears to me that those archers who can not pull 90+ lbs can find all the reasons in the world not to. Using the theory of why use a 90 lb bow when you get a perfectly dead deer with a 45 lb bow. then, why use anything other than a willow stick, some string and a few hickory arrows tipped with stone heads? The guy may be pulling your leg, but, maybe not. Personally, I have no trouble pulling 90+ lbs after many hours on stand in 10 degree weather, but I also enjoy shooting at 70 lbs (and probably at 10 lbs). Many of the "professional" hunters appear to strain when coming to full draw and that has often puzzled me, but they seem to get the job done. After 40+ years of bow hunting I have come to the conclusion that whatever floats your boat is fine with me as long you are a legal/ethical hunter who can make the shot when the opportunity arrives. yeaa elk, ive been puzzled by that a few times myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123 4/8 P&Y Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 some people can shoot 90+ lb bows some others cant..i dont have any proublems pulling it back in nov with big warm clothes on..i usually try to put the coat or whatever it is on before i go hunting or anywhere and do a test pull before i go in the woods or leave the house. i like my bow at 90-95 lbs caus some of those big buck or even big doe can jump the string of some bows at 35-40 yards.with mine i havent had a deer jump my string and they usually only go 30 yards max after i shoot it usually it kinda wobbles and then falls within 30yards of wherever i shot it..so it all depends..if they cant pull it back with ease then they shouldnt shoot it b/c theres a chance that they'll wound the deer.i shoot my bow 10 shots a day with 10 arrows so im shooting 100 or sometines over 100 arrows a day so i know how it shoots and it also can help because of the fatique that way u know ur limits when u go out ( say if u shoot 100 times and u can still shoot good groups then theres a better chance ull be more accurate , this is not always true with all people but for me and my dads cousin it is ) Did anyone else have to pull up their wading boots after reading this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 I don't doubt there are a few people out there that will shoot a 90 lb. bow but I seriously doubt it's a 130 pound guy that has a history of tall tales. About 15 years ago I shot a friends longbow that was 80# pull twice. Twice was all I wanted of it. I know Howard Hill used a 110# longbow hunting in Africa but it's obvious why too when it came to hunting African big game with a longbow in those days. For me 65# is all I want in a compound bow. That's all I need and feel comfortable with pulling from a seated postion in a treestand. With that weight I can draw my bow straight back, thus having a minimum amount of movement at the moment of truth. I've seen guys pulling more poundage that would go through all sorts of strange contortions to get their bow drawn simply to shoot a few feet per second faster. Just my opinion but if a hunter has to point his bow skyward to draw it at the moment of truth, he's pulling too much weight. All that excess movement drastically increases your chances of getting busted trying to draw your bow. Griz...if your 130# buddy can pull a 90# bow from a seated postion, put up a sign somewhere in your neck of the country that says "Call (insert his phone number)" with "I drag deer" right under it. He's the kind of buddy you want when it comes to using the buddy system to drag deer. For those of you that don't know what the buddy system is...it's call a buddy and let him do it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest texas1st Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Come ON SEPT. 29th Just can't stand it any more. I have watched people hunt too long (TV) my turn 53 more days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlott89 Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 haha yea okkkkk 123..anytime u wanna see it gimme a call when ur close to ny and ill show ya ur wading boots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest totalscaf Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 90# bow who knows he could be hanging out with barry bonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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