Guest shtr Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 WOW.. Interesting to say the least.. When was this test performed again ?? (yr) Have you tested the latest heads (06-07) if these aren't recent test results ?? So if I was to change to a different broad head,, what head would you give me ?? fixed/ mechanical .. This would be interesting for me to know... Thanks for the test results ... This test was performed in '07 , early summer. I really like expandable heads so if you were willing (which you are) my first choice would be the NAP Spitfire. For fixed replacement in the same price range I would Highly suggest the new Trophy Ridge Bunker Buster. This replacement head is just about as solid a performer as I have ever seen in it's price/style class. Having said this ..... I just finished the Piston Point test today and have posted that. The Piston Point is a dramatic improvement over anything before it. The blades are stronger than the Spitfire (which are very strong) but the pistons blades are not as sharp. (the piston points blades are sharp enough out of the box though) Flight is dead on and these rubber bands which hold the blades back could last throughout a day of target shooting. (to me thats a real plus ) I am going to do further testing on the Piston Point because I am very anxious to recommend this head but I must see what interior diameter is expected pertaining to the piston actuation device and it's effects on the blades diameter when traveling through the void of more substantial mass such as flesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Cool,, I'll have to check these heads out.. ;) I'm always open to new things,,, I just have to try and work them into the budget like everyone else these days .. THanks for the great conversation and information .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shtr Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Cool,, I'll have to check these heads out.. ;) I'm always open to new things,,, I just have to try and work them into the budget like everyone else these days .. THanks for the great conversation and information .. Likewise.....it's a treat to speak with someone such as yourself and I look forward to the opportunity to do it again sometime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Ok, since this thread was hi-jacked by Grimm Reapers! LOL! Why dont you post your results for the thread topic! LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Ok, since this thread was hi-jacked by Grimm Reapers! LOL! Why dont you post your results for the thread topic! LOL! Oooops !! Sorry John and others... ;) I got off track once again .. :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Oooops !! Sorry John and others... ;) I got off track once again .. :o Not a problem Luke! I just want shtr to post his results on the Rage three blade here as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shtr Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Not a problem Luke! I just want shtr to post his results on the Rage three blade here as well! Your killing me here Fine.....just for Real tree though ..... not making this a regular thing _____________ WARNING! ..... :-[ Alot of people have told me that the first test is not indicative of what has been seen in the field. Maybe that is true but what we saw here certainly wasn't a fluke....shot after shot But perhaps it was just a first run issue , so a re-test request doesn't sound out of line to me. If we get a pass....great 8-) BUT..... I don't want to hear a bunch of crap if it fails or it passes :'( The head failed without question the first time. If the issue was resolved.....that doesn't negate what happened the first time around > If it passes then something is different from the first go around and this pass does not eliminate the first fail > If it fails then it fails again. We are pushing these heads in testing and if it cant cut the mustard then it simply cant .... don't want to hear a bunch of whining....again :-[ ____________________________________________________ FOR THE MANUFACTURERS REPS WHO CHALLENGED THE FIREST TEST AND SAID IT WAS A FLUKE , THE ORIGINAL REPORT WAS SUBMITTED FOR A RE-TEST. THIS HEAD IS A BIGGER PIECE OF JUNK THEN I REPORTED IT TO BE THE FIRST TIME AROUND! : BE AWARE THAT AT THE START OF THE COMING WEEK I WILL BE CAMPAIGNING TO ELIMINATE YOUR PRODUCT FROM THE NY MARKET PLACE AS A BIG GAME HEAD. AS TO EFFECTIVENESS OF YOUR PRODUCT ON WOUND CHANNELS....IT'S AWEFUL!....BAD AS EVER :-[ YOUR PRODUCT NEEDS TO WORK AT ALL BOW SPEEDS....NOT JUST SLOW/MODERATE BOW SPEEDS YOU WOULD NOT PASS THE 7/8" MINIMUM IN THIS STATE WITH THE EFFECTIVE CHANNEL THAT HAS BEEN SEEN IN THESE TESTS WITH NEARLY A DOZEN SHOTS. OH! .... BY THE WAY .... WHY DON'T YOU INCLUDE A DOZEN X-TRA RETENTION RINGS WITH YOUR BROADHEADS ?.....ALL THE RETENTION RINGS WERE BUSTED ON THE HEADS AND IT WAS ONLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT I HAD THREE REPLACEMENTS THAT I WAS ABLE TO SHOOT THESE PIECES OF JUNK AT ALL :-/ WHY DON'T YOU IDIOTS SPEND SOME OF THAT PACKAGING MONEY ON PRODUCT R&D ?! __________________ BUSTED RETAINERS STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BOX! :-/ _________________ LOCKED OPEN BLADE BY DESIGN. BLADE CANNOT RETURN BECAUSE OF MASS ON OPPOSING BLADE :-/ ________________ LOCKING BLADES IN WHAT AMOUNTS TO SHEEP'S WOOL! BUSTED A SHAFT TRYING TO SHAKE IT OUT : NO JACKKNIFE STYLE BROADHEAD COULD GET STUCK IN THIS SITUATION. _____________________ THE SAME 'OL stuff! HOLES THE SIZE OF A .25 CALIBER BULLET ON FLESH HITS :-/ ____________________ ONE BLADE DEPLOYMENT ON SOLID BONE! :-/ ____________________________________________________ THIS CONCLUDES THE RE-TEST OF THE RAGE SLIP CAM :-[ BEING A HUGE FAN OF EXPANDABLE HEADS AS I AM ..... YOU CAN TRUST THAT THIS HEAD IS NOTHING OF WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD. I AM NOT SAYING IT CANT WORK :'( I AM SAYING THAT IN EVERY SHOT THAT I HAVE PLACED ON REAL FLESH AND BONE OVER THE LAST 2 YEARs....THIS HEAD HAS NOT PERFORMED (TO WHAT THE CLAIMS HAVE BEEN) ONE SINGLE TIME > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Thanks! I also had broken retainer rings. Sent them an email, never heard anything back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 I'd still like to give those MX-4's or the Strikers a whirl .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shtr Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 I'd still like to give those MX-4's or the Strikers a whirl .. If you tune them to get the flight....the MX-4 is a good head on all other points I'll pass on the strikers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwlacy Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 not in my testing....both were defect free The 3 blade rage operate better as speeds go down. The 2 blade has no speed barrier. At 324 I have not seen one open yet on hide,flesh or bone. Thanks for all the great info that you posted. I am not hunting with these heads. My dad wants to and he is shooting 240fps. Maybe that is why his heads opened when he shot them into his black hole target. I am not sold on mechanical heads yet. Though I've never hunted with any either. Thanks again Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shtr Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Thanks for all the great info that you posted. I am not hunting with these heads. My dad wants to and he is shooting 240fps. Maybe that is why his heads opened when he shot them into his black hole target. I am not sold on mechanical heads yet. Though I've never hunted with any either. Thanks again Matt As I said at the end of the test.....I am not saying that they cant work....thats just dumb. What I am saying is that they can malfunction and do so every time fore myself. When I shot them out of a lower speed bow on nothing more than a hunch , they opened every time but they also locked open every time. To me , this last thing is the most disturbing. It has come to my attention that Rage may be planning legal action against myself for this report. (I am told this.....dont know it for a fact) If so ..... this test is going to get alot of exposure and so are they. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Well........... I returned the Rage heads today. Think Ill stick with my 100 grain Muzzy three blades! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Well........... I returned the Rage heads today. Think Ill stick with my 100 grain Muzzy three blades! Awwww, darn and I was so hoping you'd send those to me ... :D:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildthing Posted September 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Guys...this thread and the info it has presented is truly amazing. This is why I like this forum...because real hunters, who aren't making a dime of the materials, are presenting opinions, examples, and information that can make us all better in the field...that is what is important. I started this thread with an open-ended question, intending to get real feedback. Hunting and the equipment used obviously envokes an emotion in all of us...or else we wouldn't do this stuff. Let's all continue to keep this thread going in a light heard, yet very informative way. As the seasons get closer, the Rage broadheads will be used. I have been to a few different stores in my areas...most are sold out of them. Let's hope the hype brings some merit. I think this thread will only get better once the season starts! When the arrows start flying...I think the testimonials will be much more informative and more information will be presented that we can all benefit from!!! I can't wait to hear the stories and see the pics of deer harvested with the Rage...as I have said all along, I like the design philosophy...but it need to perform consitantly for me to spend my hard earned money! Keep up the great info guys...and let's keep rolling...the seasons are almost here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Awwww, darn and I was so hoping you'd send those to me ... :D:) For $37 I would have sent them to ya! LOL! :D:p I couldn't find the receipt, but I knew I would get a gift card for it anyways! I use it somewhere in that store! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 For $37 I would have sent them to ya! LOL! :D:p I couldn't find the receipt, but I knew I would get a gift card for it anyways! I use it somewhere in that store! Not the Rage heads GOOFY,, the MUZZY's that's why I highlighted that part of your statement in bold black .. LOL.. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Not the Rage heads GOOFY,, the MUZZY's that's why I highlighted that part of your statement in bold black .. LOL.. :D Ohhhhhhhh! LOL! Sorry! I have about 15 arrows that have a wobble free new Muzzy three blade on them! I wouldn't part with them! I was so psyched about using a Rage three blade this year, I almost bought two packs right away! Glad I didn't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Ohhhhhhhh! LOL! Sorry! I have about 15 arrows that have a wobble free new Muzzy three blade on them! I wouldn't part with them! I was so psyched about using a Rage three blade this year, I almost bought two packs right away! Glad I didn't! LOL.. Too funny.. I'm sure Rocky Mountian will have those Rage heads performing top notch real soon John, I wouldn't give on them just yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 I'm just not a big mechanical user for what I hunt. I have deer, hogs, and turkeys. I want to know whatever steps out if I let it fly is going down. I don't feel real confident puting a mechanical behind the shoulder of a hog................................therefore...........I'm shooting Magnus stingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 BTW, I almost bought the Grimm Reapers too! Was going to get one pack of each. Razorcut and the trocar point. But hey, at 35 yards the Muzzy's are hitting a three inch square! I have no complaints! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 I'm just not a big mechanical user for what I hunt. I have deer, hogs, and turkeys. I want to know whatever steps out if I let it fly is going down. I don't feel real confident puting a mechanical behind the shoulder of a hog................................therefore...........I'm shooting Magnus stingers. But Hutchies, what about all of those monster black bear that are killed with mechanical heads ?? I may be wrong but I would say that the rib / shoulder area on a bear would be tougher to penetrate than a hog... I understand what you are saying tho,, and respect that you just plain don't feel comfortable with the mechanicals.. but understand they can and will kill most any game out there.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Hogs a little different animal to hunt. They have a good sized armor plate and the heart is up in between the legs. Very small lung/heart cavity. I know guys that have put it behind the shoulder and the arrow didn't penetrate with fixed and mechanical. Hogs are just plain tough. Best shot on them is quartering away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Awwww,, I see .. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildthing Posted September 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 well...the seasons are getting started in various places around the country! I look forward to hearing some more testimonials about the rage. I have been everywhere in the last 3 weeks looking for the Rage and every store has been sold out! Let's keep this thread going with info...so far so good...there has been some great insight...I want to see some pics of entrance/exit wounds and reports of shooting performance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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