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OK, all you muzzle loader nuts, I've got a couple questions for you.....mianly dealing with revolvers....

Have any of you ever had the chance to shoot one of the reproduction Remington or Colt Revolving Carbine rifles ??

Second of all, say i want to by a 6-shot revolver in an Army or Navy model......do they accept prodex pellets, or do you have to use loose powder ??

Any help would be great........I'm sure I'm gonna be in here alot more, after I messed around with a buddies navy revolver......what a bunch of fun......and I've got the itch to fill a muzzle loader tag with a pistol......make it a little more challenging.,.... smile.gif

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Second of all, say i want to by a 6-shot revolver in an Army or Navy model......do they accept prodex pellets, or do you have to use loose powder ??[/b]

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Yes you can use pellets. They (44 / 45) are insufficient for deer.

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I own one of the reproduction Navy revolvers and enjoy shooting it, although it is a real booger to clean.

I load powder-patch & ball into each cylinder. Then I finish plugging all the space in the cylinder with bore butter. (I was taught that this would help prevent a"chain-fire" reaction.)

"Chain-fire" is what takes place if the fire from the cylinder that is lined up with the barrel ignites one or more of the other cylinders. If this should happen the bullet is going to come out the cylinder and not the barrel.

I heard that in the old days, the shooter used bear grease or some substitute. Even by plugging the ends of the cylinders with the grease, chain-fires did happen. Now, if you think of a carbine like the old Remington and their reproductions, it makes me wonder if I really would want my hand on the forearm of that carbine if a chain-fire occurred. Not me. I think that is why the Remington and Colt revolving carbine had a relative short lifespan, and many of their users with only one good hand or arm.

I hope this helps explain a little. .....popgun

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I don't know the legality of using a cap n ball revolver in your state but it's illegal here. They're not considered a muzzle loader in the eyes of the state.

I wouldn't use the pellets even if they do fit. You'll be crushing a ball down pretty hard on top of it and it'll likely smash the pellet. I would think maintaining a consistant seating pressure would be most difficult.

Now, If you want to use pellets in one of the single shot ML pistols out there then have at it.

I found a poured charge of 777 to be the ticket in my Encore ML pistol.

hangunnr

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I don't know the legality of using a cap n ball revolver in your state but it's illegal here. They're not considered a muzzle loader in the eyes of the state.

hangunnr

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Excellent point gunnr.....I never thought of black powder and muzzle loader being two seperate things....I will definitely check into the legality of it some more.....but I sure got my heart set on taking a deer with a black powder pistol......

Also to the comment before about multiple discharges......I have read up on that also, seeing as how both models of carbines don't really have anything to grip up front, I would use shooting sticks.......that should keep my mits out of any possible harm....................Thanks for the help so far......keep the tips coming

Here's the Rifle/Pistol combo I was thinking about...

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Directly from the N.D. regs.

"Muzzleloader Season - Muzzleloading long guns of .45 caliber or larger, and handguns .50 caliber or larger, loaded through the muzzle, with flint or percussion ignition, firing black powder or black powder substitutes are legal. Smokeless powders are not legal. Telescopic sights are prohibited. No magnification (1x) scopes are legal."

Dosen't look like what you want to use is legal. Though it might be fun for an up close and personal kinda hunt.

hangunnr

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Thanks for the nvestigative work HG.....saved me some time, but what a bummer......I'm sure they're taking projectile velosities in account, but i was planning and getting up close and personal.....bow range personal with a deer this way........

I know the ND G&F Director real well.....I'll have to visit with him about there position on this.....not to argue it, but to learn more.........

Looks like a Thompson Center is in my future then............LOL

I still think I'm gonna pick these up for some fun anyways......... cool.gif

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Re: OK.....Newbie with a question, LOL

I had a Navy model for a while and it was a fun plinking gun. I wasn't too overall impressed with the accuracy, but for what they were used for in their day it wasn't too terrible. I would DEFINATELY shoot loose powder, and someone said about loading with a patched ball....but the ball is supposed to be very tight and when you load the ball with the lever, it should actually cut a ring off of the outside of the bullet. Also, I would DEFINATELY use grease over the cylander. I have seen these guns chain fire more then once, usually blows the loading lever off and messing uo the wedge pin..not to mention throwing the gun right out of the shooters hand!

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