mule659 Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Ok so tonight I was shooting with my buddy and ran into an issue so bear with me as I try and explain. I have been a steel force guy forever and never had a problem with them flying. As I was shooting tonight I could not get them to fly. My bow is paper tuned great and I was able to shoot my buddy's 100 grain G5's and muzzy's fine. My heads were only 85 grain and my arrow is much lighter than the ones I used before. Do you think that maybe The weight is off balance and I should try a heavier head/arrow combo? I shot his arrow ( which is about 3 inches too long) from my bow and heavier just to see and it flew like a dart so I am thinking of getting a little heavier arrow and 100 grain heads. This will slow things down a bit but will increase kinetic energy by about 6 lbs too. What you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwlacy Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Could be a few things. Your balance may be off, not enough FOC weight. Are the arrows the corret spine? Do your BH's spin good? When you shot his arrow did you use your BH? Are his arrows the same OD as yours? I've never had a Steelforce head that didn't shoot well, even at 290 fps just playing around. Paper tuning is a good start but sometimes you still have to tweek things for BH's. Just some thoughts. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mule659 Posted August 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Yeah I used my broadhead with his arrow and mine are the correct spine. Thats what makes me think my weight may be off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimPic Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 His longer arrow shot flew perfect off your bow.That's telling me your shorter arrows are too stiff for your bow(you may be on the borderline and the broadheads are putting it over the edge).Go with a heavier broadhead to weaken the spine on your arrows a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 my arrow is much lighter than the ones I used before. Than before? Maybe you should go back to them arrows. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mule659 Posted August 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2007 Than before? Maybe you should go back to them arrows. JMO Yeah I got a guy bringing me some into work tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted August 19, 2007 Report Share Posted August 19, 2007 So then I take it your getting the same kind of arrows that you USED before? That's what I was getting at. Stick with what works! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mule659 Posted August 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2007 So then I take it your getting the same kind of arrows that you USED before? That's what I was getting at. Stick with what works! Yeah a buddy of mine has a bunch of them from when he and his dad had an archery shop so he is going to give them to me. I think that should fix it. Thanks for the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shtr Posted August 19, 2007 Report Share Posted August 19, 2007 My bow is paper tuned There's your problem Flight tune it and you'll find the fix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted August 19, 2007 Report Share Posted August 19, 2007 There's your problem Flight tune it and you'll find the fix Flight tune? Not being a wise guy, just never heard of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michihunter Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Check Eastons Tuning guide, it's in there. Some call it "Walkback" Tuning as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guideman Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 This close to the opening of Deer season, I would certainly go back to the exact methods you were using to perfection last year. Then and only then, after the season ends, begin the experimentations with other set ups. I wish well in this and hope that you get this worked out before the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 This is what I gather is happening. You were shooting 85grain heads went to a lighter arrow and then things got goofy. Then you tried some 100grain heads and things got a lot better. I'm not really surprised. The lighter your arrows the more FOC you need for good broadhead flight. Lighter shafts are WAY MORE FOC finicky. This is one of the reasons I always suggest folks shoot at least one broadhead through paper as the final step when paper tuning. If you are using standard vanes and don't already have blazers on your arrows just switching to them will up your FOC. Switching from regular vanes to blazers and then going up to 100gr head will give you about the same weight arrow as vanes + 85gr head. The big difference will be in FOC. You will shoot about the same speed and sometimes a little faster with this change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Flight tune? Not being a wise guy, just never heard of it. Also referred to as Walkback tuning.....then after that I broadhead tune which is normally a very small move if any at all. Paper tuning is barely a starting point. From there you should always flight tune your broadheads to where they are impacting the same spot as field point. I just finished mine and the pic below is the result. I was shooting with a 5-10 mile an hour right to left wind so the little bit left doesn't bother me. These are Magnus stinger 4 blades. I shot the Stinger and then the fieldpoints. The arrow with the broadhead is the orange wrap with white nock. 30 yards 40 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michihunter Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Although it may just be semantics, I don't call BH tuning Flight tuning. To me these are seperate types of tuning. Flight(walkback) tuning is done strictly with FP's whereas BH Tuning uses both FP's and BH's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Broadhead tuning is close relation to walkback. Normally very small movements if any at all after you get walkback done. I do start out with paper tuning but it doesn't take me more than 15 minutes to get paper done. Then it's on to walkback and broadhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michihunter Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Yep!! I do the same minus the paper. But I've seen paper work for many people to disregard it as a tuning tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shtr Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Flight(walkback) tuning is done strictly with FP's whereas BH Tuning uses both FP's and BH's. I dont see that you could perfect a walk back without a broadhead. It is the broadhead that reflects the amount of out of tune that exists in any shaft that is being shot. Having said that .... if you try and flight tune with a broadhead which lacks superior aero dynamics you will chase a tune between field points and the broadhead. In other words....some heads will not allow flight tuning perfection and in fact may lead to an imperfect tune. See the posts all the time where in the end the shooter will end up adjusting the sights because the two cannot be brought together. In the end the broadhead being shot (in such a case) will not track well and will lose K.E. on impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michihunter Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 I won't argue the point Shtr, you obviously have your own ways. I use Eastons Tuning Guide which says Flight Tuning is done with FP's and Broadhead Tuning is done with both. I'll defer to that everytime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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