Missed160 Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 I am going on a Canadian whitetail hunt next year & will be shooting a .270. What I find so curious is the guides I have spoken with all "prefer" a 150 grain load. I think this is weird as, though they are close, the 130 grain load noses out the 150 in most factory loads.. Any idea why the people seem to lean towards the heavier cartridge? I have shot 130's all along, but I now purchased some 150's to see how they shoot. Ballistically they are within an inch or two of each other out to 300 yards.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Dont know, that is kind of interesting. I know that the 130 grain loads carry higher energies than the 150's at further distances, but my model 700 likes the cheap 150 grain core lokts. What I will continue to shoot around here as the chances of shots over 200 yards are not too frequent. You sure they know you are planning to hunt with a .270 and not a 30 caliber? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 A few basics on the .270 rounds. 130grn Rounds. (Winchester Power Point) @100 yds 2802 @ 2267 ftlbs of energy @200 yds 2559 @1890 ftlbs of energy @300 yds 2329 @ 1565 ftlbs of energy 150grn Rounds. (Winchester Power Point) @100 yds 2585fps @ 2226 ftlbs of energy @200 yds 2336fps @ 1817 ftlbs of energy @300 yds 2100fps @ 1468 ftlbs of energy I thought something was backward but its not. I also looked up the information on Remington and everything in their charts shows that the 130grn round outshines the heavier in every aspect! Something I would never have guessed. I figured that beyond 200yds the heavier would shine but I was wrong. I guess the sheer velocity of the .270 is enough to make the 130grn round more lethal! Granted the 150grn is their choice but I couldn't see why you wouldn't shoot 130 grn rounds! Both have more than adequate energy to out over 300yds. I guess you just have to choke it down and shoot what they ask. After all, you are getting to hunt Canada! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missed160 Posted August 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 " I thought something was backward but its not" - You did the exact thing I did!! I expected the 150 at some point to outshine the 130 - but it doesn't. I have read a couple articles on this & they recommend the 150 for larger game, (elk, moose), I would assume this same logic is what the guides are thinking, as the deer have such incredible body sizes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckslayer Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Missed, I think you may be onto it. Weight retention/expansion of the bullet, and its characteristics after the impact may be the reason, especially with larger whitetails. Also, the 150 grn are less susceptible to movement due to wind and brush, because they have greater momentum if you do the math (according to Jeramie's numbers)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckslayer Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Given similar ballistic coefficients, and coefficients of drag, more momentum equals deeper penetration... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Missed, I think you may be onto it. Weight retention/expansion of the bullet, and its characteristics after the impact may be the reason, especially with larger whitetails. Also, the 150 grn are less susceptible to movement due to wind and brush, because they have greater momentum if you do the math (according to Jeramie's numbers)... The numbers are off of Winchester's website. Both were taken off the exact same cartridge design! And, when you look at surface area and the minute weight detail from 130-150grn (being 20grn and often less than a .22lr bullet) wind isn't a factor! You would have to be hunting in a hurricane to notice a major difference in the two! Taken the exact same bullet they should have identical expansion. And if you thing about gaining a little momentum because of 20grn you haven't gained anything because the 100grn still out speeds the heavier and offers more energy! I think for the most part its a wash. You really cant gain much by shooting a 150grn round out of a .270. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckslayer Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Whoa dude take a chill pill... what made you think I was accusing you of sayin' anything wrong??? I knew you copied and pasted those numbers and that they are legit. So I did the math and it was higher for the 150, but I didn't calculate how much higher momentum, Buckslayer inserts foot in mouth here, its 1% more momentum... ahem yeah thats nothing at all... Basically a wash is a good way to put it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Whoa dude take a chill pill... what made you think I was accusing you of sayin' anything wrong??? I knew you copied and pasted those numbers and that they are legit. So I did the math and it was higher for the 150, but I didn't calculate how much higher momentum, Buckslayer inserts foot in mouth here, its 1% more momentum... ahem yeah thats nothing at all... Basically a wash is a good way to put it! Thats why im love the internet. Im not wound up in the slightest, I was just filling in some gaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckslayer Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 LOL Jeramie. Its so much easier to read people's expression when you can see it on their face. I guess thats why emoticons were invented!?!:cool: And thanks for leading us in the right direction with this question too!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Better?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Think I would shoot whichever preforms best in your gun. While the ballistics tables at both remington and winchesters sites the 130 grainers look to outperform the 150 grainers in energy retained, in drop and in velocity, I know that my particular model 700 really likes the 150 grain core lokts better than any other factory load I have tried. With rare shots out to a little over 200 yards, it has proven time and time again to put deer down with the corelokts. Unfortunately the only deer I have ever lost with a rifle was in fact shot with that .270 with a winchester 130 grain power point plus, I switched back to the 150 grain core lokts immediately following that, but had killed 4 or 5 deer with the lighter faster bullets in the short time I hunted with them, and none of them went at all far. Best as I could tell with a shot at a distance around 50 yards, that deer likely made it just off of our property, really think a neighboring hunter fetched that deer just over the line across the river and claimed it as his own before I got close enough to recover the deer. Was a good solid 8 pointer on the opening morning of our season, signs indicated the deer was hit fatally and should not have gone far, but he made it far enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Colorado Bob Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 If it were me, I would look at shooting 150 grain Nolser Partitions. Federal has a factory load. They are more expensive than "plain-jane" bullets. But considering your paying some pretty big money going to Canada to hunt trophy whitetails----an extra $30 for a box is nothing. The partition is the standard by which all premium bullets are measured. CB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 In February of this year, I shot a cow elk at about 125 yards with my 270 loaded with the 130 grain Hornady Interbond, over 58 grains of Rel 22! I hit a rib going in, through both lungs and out through the rib on the off side! She took 2 steps and piled up! This elk is one heck of a lot bigger than a whitetail. Even by Canadian standards! I have shot several animals with that load and never had a problem or had to go tracking anything either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mailmanmark Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 .270 loads If your going to hand load........ my Tikka T3 loves 58g H4831 with a Barnes 140g TSX. I consistently get .5 inch groups @ 100yds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mailmanmark Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 .270 loads Tikka T3 58g H4831 140g Barnes TSX 1/2 @100yds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Especially on smaller bore stuff a heavier bullet gets a lot longer. This eats up case capacity. Reloaders simply change powders. Factory stuff often is not optimized in that matter. IE. Same powder for both bullet weights. Look at some reload data for the 270Win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyrod64 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 I have tried the federals winchesters, etc. etc. but always go back to the rem 150 gr core lokts. My rifle just seems to shoot those better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Think I would shoot whichever preforms best in your gun. If I were heading north with my .270. I would still be shooting the Federal Premiums 130 grain spitzer boat-tail! My Browning just likes them the best! Besides, none of the deer I ever shot with that round went more than 20 yards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Well as a former guide I can attest that most guides just want their hunters to be able to shoot well in a HUNTING situation. As a .270 user who has taken quite a few Saskatchewan bucks-the difference between 130 grains and 150 grain bullets doesn't amount to a fart in a windstorm. It makes stimulating internet chat but you make a good shot with either bullet and your buck is dead. Find out what your gun likes best and use it-99% of the time hunter skill is the limiting factor not the gun or load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Oklahoma Outdoors Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 well im 17 and have been shooting a savage .270 since i was 14. I have always shot winchester 130 grain silvertips and my brother shoots 150 grain i really cant tell the difference. It might be me though i mean a bullet is a bullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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