woodshed Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 I've been using a cheap bushnell on my Model 70 in 270 WSM. I guess the recoil was too much. The lenses inside came loose and are just banging around in there. You definately get what you pay for with glass!! Anyhow, I'm in the 250 range for a scope. I'm thinking about the Nikon Monarc for 199.00 or the Burris Fullfield II for 189.00 or in a package at Bass Pro GPS for 239 or with binocs for 199.00. I've got binocs of the same quality as these, but would take the 199 package if the burris scope is a better scope than the Nikon for 199. I don't own a GPS, is the Garmin ETrex any good? It's about the scope mosty of course. Do you like the NIkon or Burris or any other in 200 - 250 range?? thanks for you help!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
257bob Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Go with the Monarch. I think they are a little higher quality of glass than the Burris. IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodshed Posted August 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 another question if I may,,, On the Nikon Monarc, has anybody had issues with the circles at ranges being to big. I had a sales man say that at 200 yards the circle covers the whole deer. Is this the case? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Yep, would agree, and in a 3-9X40 both can be bought at about the same price right now. Have both scopes, both have been on my deer rifle, the monarch is on it now and is a bit brighter and clearer than the burris fullfield II. The burris is not a bad scope at all for the oney, just not quite as sharp and bright as the monarch. Dont personally think any other scope in that price range outperfroms the monarch. The binos that come with the burris package are just ok, they are good as a back up pair, my oldest daughter uses them when we go hunting so we each have a pair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 On the Nikon Monarc, has anybody had issues with the circles at ranges being to big. I had a sales man say that at 200 yards the circle covers the whole deer. Is this the case? Think you are talking about the omega with the bdc, think the monarch that you are seeing for $199 at natchez is the standard 3-9X40 and does not have the bdc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ronin Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 I agree with 257...the Nikon is great glass pure and simple. I have a couple of Monarch's and even a Buckmaster. Both are very clear and bright. I just started working with the ballistic range finder option on the monarch and found the circles were actually quite nice. I ranged my 300 WBY at 300 yards with a 6" circle and the corresponding circle on the scope was slightly larger. I also like Leupold quite a bit but don't see much of a difference in clarity with my VXIII as compared to the Monarch. For that matter, I have a Simmons Aetec Master that seems just as clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Go with the Monarch. I think they are a little higher quality of glass than the Burris. IMO Definitely!!! Go with the Nikon!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodshed Posted August 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Think you are talking about the omega with the bdc, think the monarch that you are seeing for $199 at natchez is the standard 3-9X40 and does not have the bdc. wtnhunt, I spoke with a man at Natchez about the bdc and he didn't mention that it wasn't part of this scope. We specifically discussed this reticle, so I need to confirm this point. From the sounds of this discussion, I should get the Nikon. I'm surely going to check if the bdc reticle is included. thanks for mentioning that, because I really want this feature. I'll pay extra for it if need be. I just want to make sure for the money the Nikon is the way to go versus the Burris or any other brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I spoke with a man at Natchez about the bdc and he didn't mention that it wasn't part of this scope. From the sounds of this discussion, I should get the Nikon. I'm surely going to check if the bdc reticle is included. thanks for mentioning that, because I really want this feature. The nikon monarch scopes that are 3-9X40 for $199 have the nikoplex reticle I think, I know neither of the two I have are the models with the bdc, but natchez will not sell to TN residents, the 2 monarch scopes I own came from swfa and cabelas. The burris fullfield II I have has the ballistic plex reticles, similar to the bdc. I took that burris scope off of my.270 and put it on my AR-15, it is a good scope, but just not as bright as the monarchs and honestly here where shots are rarely over 200 yards there is not enough drop to even use compensating reticles. Another good nikon scope mentioned is the buckmaster scope, it is in that price range as well and is every bit as bright and clear as the burris. First nikon scope I bought was a buckmasters scope, it went on my wifes .243. Have been pretty well sold on the nikons since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yooperkenny Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I use a Monarch 3x9x40 on my Tikka T3 and love it - they claim 95% light transmission, but all I know is that it's bright and clear. I also have the Garmin eTrex Legend GPS and so far it's worked well - I don't have the loss of satellite reception that others claim they get in thick woods. I got it in a package with topo maps included and it's pretty cool! Good Luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodshed Posted August 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 wtnhunt, you are right. The Nikon is without the bdc reticle for 199.00. The decision now lies on whether that feature is a big deal to me or not. I guess the Nikon is better glass and brighter, but the burris has the bdc reticle. This will be on a 270 WSM (pretty flat shooting bullet) and I'm not a real long range shooter anyhow. I'm talking myself out of the need/desire to have the bdc I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 This will be on a 270 WSM (pretty flat shooting bullet) and I'm not a real long range shooter anyhow. I'm talking myself out of the need/desire to have the bdc I guess Unless you are planning on shooting out past 300 yards, I would not hesitate to pass up the burris for the nikon. Like I said, I put the monarch on my .270 which is not quite as flat a shooter as your wsm and put the b-plex burris that was on my .270 on my AR. Later on I may try shooting over longer distances with the AR at targets, but I really dont see me ever taking a shot on a deer past 250 yards with my .270 and there really is not enough drop at that distance with the .270 for me personally to see the need for the bplex reticles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodshed Posted August 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 wtnhunt an all, thanks for your input. Nikon it is!! I'll order it today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I don't own a GPS, is the Garmin ETrex any good? Yes, but make sure you get one with the high sensitivity antenna, HCx models. wtnhunt, I spoke with a man at Natchez about the bdc and he didn't mention that it wasn't part of this scope. We specifically discussed this reticle, so I need to confirm this point. From the sounds of this discussion, I should get the Nikon. I'm surely going to check if the bdc reticle is included. thanks for mentioning that, because I really want this feature. I'll pay extra for it if need be. I just want to make sure for the money the Nikon is the way to go versus the Burris or any other brand. The BDC reticle is for use on muzzle loaders. I don't think it will work on other rifles. http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/product.php?group=16&subgroup=10&product=8401 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodshed Posted September 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 I ordered the Nikon a couple days ago. It should be here early next week. With that and my new Lone Wolf climber I'm going to have fun with my new toys!! I'm very excited to get out there on the 15th!! thanks guys, I can't wait to get my new scope and go to the range to sight it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleA Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 The BDC reticle is for use on muzzle loaders. I don't think it will work on other rifles. Nikon's BDC reticle is available in several models of scopes in the Monarch and Buckmasters line, just not the blackpowder Omega models. I have been experimenting with a 5.5x16.5x with BDC on a Cooper M22 in 243 Win, so far when I have it sighted in dead on at 100 yards with a 70gr Nosler Ballistic tip, using the first circle the same load shoots 2 inches low at 300 yards, That's as far as I have shot with it but do plan on further ranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodshed Posted September 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 Nikon arrived today with my new Lone Wolf tree stand. I've got some great new toys for this year. Archery starts the 15th after a week in Montana fly fishing. So I'm officially on Vacatiiiioooooonnnnnn!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Nikon's BDC reticle is available in several models of scopes in the Monarch and Buckmasters line, just not the blackpowder Omega models. I have been experimenting with a 5.5x16.5x with BDC on a Cooper M22 in 243 Win, so far when I have it sighted in dead on at 100 yards with a 70gr Nosler Ballistic tip, using the first circle the same load shoots 2 inches low at 300 yards, That's as far as I have shot with it but do plan on further ranges. I seen that today for the first time! Also in a recent hunting magazine! I stand corrected! One thing though, how is this corrected between different calibers? What I mean is, a 270 will shoot different at 200 or 300 yards from what a 30-06 will? Or must you use a certain type of ammo that dictates this drop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 One thing though, how is this corrected between different calibers? What I mean is, a 270 will shoot different at 200 or 300 yards from what a 30-06 will? Or must you use a certain type of ammo that dictates this drop? You are given a set of generic specs with the burris b-plex scope and you have to figure out which reticles will be closest to compensating for the bullet weight you are shooting with the caliber you are shooting. They are not exact, you still have to know if it will be 1 inch under or over etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 You are given a set of generic specs with the burris b-plex scope and you have to figure out which reticles will be closest to compensating for the bullet weight you are shooting with the caliber you are shooting. They are not exact, you still have to know if it will be 1 inch under or over etc. Thanks William, I figured that. I know with the muzzle loader's version, as long as you use that specific amount of powder. You can use the circles below the cross-hairs. I wasn't sure if them circles were adjustable for centerfire rifle. That would be nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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