257bob Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I work as an archery tech. I had a guy come in the other day with a picture of a deer's skull that he shot last year. He was bragging because his Rage broadhead had made a 2" hole in the skull behind the deers ear. My first response was "You missed!" At which he got mad and defensive saying he hit right where he aimed. I asked "Do you seriously aim for the head?" He replied, "Yes they never take a step." My feelings took over and I told him I didn't think that was very responsible or ethical. He didn't stick around very long after that. That whole story was to ask this. Am I wrong? Do any of you honestly aim for anything other than heart, lung area? It is not my place to tell someone where they should shoot an animal and I spoke without thinking, but I was just caught off guard I guess. I have seen on here many times where guys complain about bow shops, but man I could write a different story about a customer every week that would blow most of your minds. OK, I have vented long enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sask-Hunter Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 He missed;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AReed Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I hit a twig once and ended up hitting a deer in the head. Dropped him where he stood, but I would never aim for the head. I do believe it to be unethical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M00N Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 A guy in our hunting group accidentally hit one in the head once with a deflected arrow, but wasn't intentionally aiming for the head. The deer actually ran quite a distance before dying, even though the arrow penetrated through one ear and out infront of the other. I personally would never aim for the head. To me that's like intentionally aiming only for spine shots with an arrow. Sometimes they aren't quickly lethal, just paralyzing, and then you have a live animal that just can't get away from you suffering and freaking out on the ground. I know we skinned a buck once that had a broadhead lodged in its spine between the shoulder blades that had been living like that for a long time. Surprised he wasn't paralyzed from the shot, but I'm sure it was quite painful to live that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDAWG Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I think you were right for saying something. Too many people don't know what they are doing out there. Props to you man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mule659 Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I agree with you man...those are the kind of guys that give hunters a bad name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Kudos to you for saying something and speaking the truth. I would have said the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsman2230 Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I agree with you man.....110% Thats outrageous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mathews_Pa_Bowhunter Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I agree with you 100% he is definitely in the wrong. A friend of mine hunted with a guy that shot a buck in the skull (eye socket) with an arrow, the buck lived until my friend shot it in the shotgun season approx a weak later. The shot was straight down / a slight angle. My Friend / He wasn't happy with the guy that shot it with the arrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntnMa Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 i know a guy that aims or the head all of the time...he is the only one i know , he makes his kills, but the risks involved are unreal.....i give him grief about it all of the time....he's wrong and i think down deep , he knows it.....but it doesnt stop him......it's maddening ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearClaw Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I know someone who bragged that his teenage son was so good that he aims for thr spine. He caught me aff guard as well and I didn't say anything because he was my secretary's husband. I thought that was very unethical and nobody's that good. There is wsy too much room for error! Hi son also had a deer that he hit but couldn't find. That happens unfortunately but based on his father's statement would lend itself to just a poor aiming spot. Go for the heart and lungs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwlacy Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I agree with you 100%. I tell people what I think also, sometimes they don't realize that they are in the wrong. You did the right thing. I would never take a head shot on purpose. Very small target, lots of areas where you would only wound a deer. I saw a buck taken during rifle season that had his bottom jaw shot off. It must have happend that day or the day before. I don't think a deer could live very long like that. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I'd agree. He either missed or he's an idiot. I always aim for that heart/lung area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I'd agree. He either missed or he's an idiot. I always aim for that heart/lung area. Feel pretty well the same way. Think that it is unethical practice, but that is just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 A deer can move it's head around faster than it can move it's entire body. Plus some of the heaviest strongest bones in a deers body are located in the head. These bones can flat cause disaster on a bow head shot. IMO, Trying to connect with the head of a game animal on an archery shot is foolishness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Here's a good story that idiot needs to read. I've heard and seen countless stories of deer running arround with arrows sticking out of theirs heads . Would You Shoot the Arrow-Head Buck? The story goes a guy was muzzleloader hunting in an area where his buddy said there was a buck running around with an arrow in its head, jumping and acting weird. The hunter thought his pal was full of it. One morning 2 bucks walked close to the hunter’s stand. One was the arrow-head buck! The hunter smoked him dead. He figured the arrow had been in the deer for a month or more; you could wiggle it, and there was no blood. This is one of those stories that got forwarded to a person who sent it to a gal who said: You might enjoy this, I didn’t. She forwarded it to another person who said: Good one for horrible bow-shot placement! That person sent it to ZONER Brad who forwarded it to me: Hanback, I don't know anything about the origin of this, or if it's legit. I guess it is. I've got a question. This isn't the biggest buck in the woods. If you saw it roaming around with an arrow in its head would you kill him? I would. I'd like to know what other ZONERS would do. I respond in 4 ways: There are other photos of the hunter posing with this buck, so it's real. To the gal who said she didn’t enjoy seeing a deer with an arrow through its head, I didn’t either. As for bow-shot placement, S--- Happens. I give unknown archer benefit of doubt—arrow glances off branch and hits deer in head, buck ducks string and turns neck into arrow…a lot of things can go terribly wrong… On the other hand, if unknown archer took a poor shot (most likely deer walking almost straight away and he shot too high) he ought to have his license revoked for a year. Yes, I’d kill that buck dead too. The meat would be stinky and bad (infection spreads), but putting the poor thing out of its misery is the right thing to do. Easy call if you hunt in a state with multiple buck tags. But suppose you hunt in a one-buck state like Ohio or Indiana where there are monsters running around…or suppose you shell out $5,000 or more to gun hunt in big-buck KS, Iowa or Saskatchewan? Would you burn your one tag on the arrow-head buck and have no venison and a tiny rack to show for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I just hope for your sake he doesn't talk to your manager. Even though I think the shot was wrong you have to remember one thing....................Customer is always right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogg6 Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I totally agree with you. I only take vital shots. I 've hit a few in the spine when they tried to duck an arrow or in the neck by a deflected arrow. But I would never intentionally aim for either spot, let alone the head. Glad you said something. To many people don't think enough about a good clean shot, to kill the animal quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texastrophies Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I just hope for your sake he doesn't talk to your manager. Even though I think the shot was wrong you have to remember one thing....................Customer is always right. Took the words right out of my fingers. It sounds like you work at a bow shop. Unless you are the owner, I think you made a mistake. You probably just cost your shop a customer. I doubt if the boss would be happy about that. Were you right, yea probably, (remember I don't know nothing about bow hunting) but at that point you owe it to your employer to not say anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IllinoisMackDaddyHunter Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I tOTALLY AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU. tHAT GUY IS NEEDS TO GET A CLUE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
257bob Posted August 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 "Customer is always right???? Thanks for all your input. I know that I might have spoke out of place as far as the employer was concerned, but I totally disagree that the "Customer is always right." I have worked in retail a long time and that phrase was coined for the honest, average customer; however, there are too many customers out there that take advantage of this fact. Too many retailers have bent backwards for customers when the customer was just looking for free merchandise or services. Now everyone expects that when a product breaks 3 months down the road, or they break a knife off, or a rod tip snaps that the store should replace it. I say if you bought a product that wasn't up to your standards take it up with the manufacturer, that's what I do. If they don't take care of you don't buy anymore of their products. It's funny, the same people that return merchandise every time it breaks or they aren't happy with the quality are the same people that complain that prices keep going up. Wow I totally got off subject. I think that I have a resposibility as a service provider to teach to the best of my ability my customers what is right and wrong. Let me ask you this if a customer was shooting a 70# bow and picked up some 30-50# arrows, should I tell him he's wrong even if he swears that is what he has always shot? I think you have to draw a line somewhere as to when you can speak up and say you are wrong. I just don't know exactly where that line is. I suppose it's different with every customer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeygirl Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I agree...you did the right thing. Intentionally aiming at the head is just too risk...too much of a chance of making a bad mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 I'd agree. He either missed or he's an idiot. I always aim for that heart/lung area. agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rad_112176 Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 I would have said something if i was in your shoes. He shouldn't be walking around bragging and asking people what they think unless he wants there true opinion. I have never taken a shot at anything but the heart and lungs, but i do know people that like to take neck shots with bow and gun. To me that is a shot where you either drop the animal or you have a animal running around your woods wounded. Like most people have said, those are the hunters that give everyone else a bad name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 If this guy did complain to your boss, and your boss has any scruples , He'd back you up by telling the guy the same thing you did. The customer is not always right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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