buckbuster11 Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Did anybody else hear about this? The Patriots got caught again having somebody on their sidelines using a videotape to monitor the signals the NY Jets coaches were sending to their players from the sidelines. You know over the years you would hear opposing players say "Wow....that Bellichick is some coach....it's almost like they new what our plays were!!" Well......maybe they did know what their plays were. What do you guys think about this? Is this a big deal or not? Should their be some kind of punishment from the NFL and what should it be? NFL security confiscated a video camera and its tape from a New England Patriots employee on the team's sideline during Sunday's game against the Jets in a suspected spying incident, sources said. The camera and its tape were placed in a sealed box and forwarded to the league office for investigation, the sources said. "The rule is that no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game," the league said in a statement from spokesman Greg Aiello. "Clubs have specifically been reminded in the past that the videotaping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals on the sidelines is prohibited. "We are looking into whether the Patriots violated this rule." The Patriots' cameraman was suspected of aiming his camera at the Jets' defensive coaches who were sending signals to their unit on the field, the sources said. The league also is investigating some radio frequency issues that occurred during the game. The league's competition committee could conduct a conference call about the incident, which violates NFL policy, and ultimately recommend a penalty that could cost the Patriots a future draft pick or picks if it verifies that the team was spying on the Jets It's not their first time," a member of the committee, who did not wish to be identified, said. In fact, Green Bay Packers president Bob Harlan confirmed a similar incident that occurred when the Patriots played at Lambeau Field last Nov. 19. The same cameraman who was questioned by NFL security on Sunday was also the one whom the Packers removed from the sideline and escorted from the field during their 2006 game, according to Packers security official Doug Collins. "From what I can remember, he had quite a fit when we took him out," Harlan said. "We had gotten word before the game that they [the Patriots] did this sort of thing, so we were looking for it." A Jets official declined comment Monday, directing an inquiry to the league office. The Patriots also did not have immediate comment. "With anything along those lines, those are all league-related matters, and anything that deals with an issue like this or anything on a team-by-team basis, those all go to the league," coach Eric Mangini said in his news conference Monday. New England cornerback Ellis Hobbs said he was unaware of the controversy, and unwilling to believe his team had cheated. "We put too many hours in as individuals and a team to have to go out and cheat," he said. "If it's true, obviously, we're in the wrong. But I'm standing behind my team, my coaches. I don't think we do that stuff." Chris Mortensen covers the NFL for ESPN. Information from The Associated Press contributed to this story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_lou Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 I think it's along the line of stealing a pitchers signs. Is it the end of the world? No. Is it ethical?No. If in fact they are caught spying, I think the commish will hit them pretty hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Stealing signs? Yeah, I heard about it on the halftime show from last night's game. There's nothing in the rules against it. Kind of like stealing signs in baseball. Maybe teams will go back to the old fashioned way of sending in the play with the pulling guard, running back, or wide receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 You know every team probably has someone doing that. Maybe the pats took it to the next level or they are just not as good and got caught... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig mack Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 They said they were accused of it last in a game. I bet they arent the only ones doing it. It doesnt surprise me one bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig mack Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 They said on tv that they were accused of it last season in a game. They probably arent the only ones doing it. It doesnt surprise me one bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 I highly doubt other teams do this. With the hoody, nothing surprises me. It's no secret the man is a jerk, and lacks character. Look to his refuisng to shake Mangini's hand after games as proof... Hoody= No class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 They may have gotten caught, but dont believe that they are the only ones doing it or trying to do it, and it is probably nothing new either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 I stand corrected, I guess there is a rule against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted September 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 ESPN was saying this morning that Goddell is likely to take draft picks away. At least they are getting some kind of punishment but, I think they should forfeit that game. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have to worry about this happening again if they did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 If you look at the two games in question (last Sunday vs. the Jets, and last year vs. the Packers) both were dominate wins by the Pats. The Pats had huge offensive numbers too. I'm all for gamesmanship (like stealing signs in baseball) but when you're breaking out the hi-tech video surviellance gear, sending assistants high into the rafters...it's getting out of hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted September 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Agreed. And I can guarentee those 2 incidents aren't the only ones. You should here some quotes from Tomlin at his press conference yesterday about this. Sounds like he knew about this before too. Last year New England beat Minnesota 31-7 when he was D-Coordinator at Minnesota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Agreed. And I can guarentee those 2 incidents aren't the only ones. You should here some quotes from Tomlin at his press conference yesterday about this. Sounds like he knew about this before too. Last year New England beat Minnesota 31-7 when he was D-Coordinator at Minnesota. Yeah, I heard some of what he said on Sportscenter. So, can we all agree that Bill Bellichik is the worst human being alive yet? Right now, in my book, it goes: 1.) Bellichik 2.) Barry Bonds 3.) Rosie O'Donnell 4.) Osama Bin Laden :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted September 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 I'm still not convinced Osama is alive. So I'd replace him with Travis Henry........and bump Rosie up ahead of Barry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Hmmmm...interesting theory, I'll agree the videos trying to show "hey, I'm still alive" do seem like a ploy now that you bring it up. You think a bunker buster got him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted September 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Yeah I think he got his bunker busted alright. Hard to imagine one measly little goat herder escaping the full resources of the U.S army for the better part of 6 years. He looks a lot younger in these new videos too. I think it's his stunt double. I aint buying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted September 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Check this out.... When the Patriots have played a team for the 2nd time in a season over the last 3 years including playoffs they score an average of 10% more points then the first game. And their oppenents score an average of almost 30% fewer points then the first game. Guess having a few weeks or months to go over the videotapes really pays off huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Yeah, the beard wasn't gray anymore...but I just thought he was using that new hair dye for men product "Just for Muslim Extremists.":D:D Man, I just made myself laugh with that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Yeah, the beard wasn't gray anymore...but I just thought he was using that new hair dye for men product "Just for Muslim Extremists.":D:D Man, I just made myself laugh with that one. Yeah made me laugh too for once! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted September 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 More fun little tid bits..... From CNN: Rod Marinelli was the defensive line coach in Tampa Bay when the Bucs beat the Patriots in the 2000 regular season opener and did a good job controlling New England's offense. After the game the Patriots' offensive coach, Charlie Weis, was overheard congratulating the Bucs' defensive coordinator, Monte Kiffin. "We knew all your calls, and you still stopped us," Weis said. "I can't believe it." He couldn't believe it because the Patriots had videotaped all of the defensive signals in their last preseason game, which was against the Bucs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Belichick $500,000 Fine Pats $250,000 Fine and loss of 2008 first round pick IF they make they playoffs...big IF there huh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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